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BlueRoamer
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posted September 28, 2007 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy0d1HbItOo&mode=related&search=

wow.

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posted September 28, 2007 03:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
There are a few inaccuracies in that video. For example, they don't believe that Jesus had three wives. There are some similarities in the religion to Freemasonry, which goes back to the temple of Solomon. I'll see if I can find out more.

It is rather funny though.

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posted September 29, 2007 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for naiad     Edit/Delete Message
interesting words of LG regarding Mormons ~

“Jesus the man, incarnated upon Earth as a teacher
to stand as a symbol for all men and women
I cannot give you further details of his lost years
you must search within your heart
..for you know the answers”

“why were those precious years
lost to us?”

“lost because of those spiritual leaders
who were entrusted as the heirs of Peter
with the Keys to the Kingdom
yet, who removed the writings of his years
from the Holy Scriptures
believing themselves to be right in so doing.”

“how could such gross deception be right?”

“part of the answer lies in a great mystery
even now kept contained in the Vatican in Rome
and related in a most astonishing manner

to the mute..but still secretly singing
strange circle of rocks at Stonehenge, England
inter-twined with a never revealed discovery
nearly seven centuries ago..of ancient druidic writings
containing the awesome wondrous, yet terrifying mystery
of the English alphabet..and language
of words and numbers

at which time, certain members
of the religious Hierarchy did determine
among themselves..that these unexpectedly unearthed
secret formulas of the Truth of existence
and the trembling reality
of the lost powers of the gods and goddesses
now called Earthlings

constituted dangerous knowledge for the masses
and therefore, caused to have removed
all references from the Scriptures
which might, even through latent suggestion

light the flame of soul memory
within the sleeping hearts of all men and women
who then might recall their lost powers
and once again use them as a force for awful destruction
in this, the Church Fathers
believed themselves to be right

and the other part of the answer to your question
hidden for many centuries..is the negative motivation
by those who desired to retain the religious patriarchy
for the sake of the priesthood
and indeed, for the sake of the entire religious hierarchy
of even each Protestant denomination
who felt it to be, as did the Church of Rome
a fearsome abomination

for the ‘unclean’ woman to arise
......for the feminine ‘I’ of the individuality
to assume her rightful place – as equal in wisdom
to the masculine ‘O’ of the Overself
this even now reflected in the Church’s attitude toward women
more prevalent in the Vatican and in the Mormon strongholds

for these two pillars do hold many secrets
than do the more direct and uncomplicated Protestant churches

but the time is swift approaching

when all which has been so long buried
..when each earthquaking secret
shall be revealed into the Light of knowing

that long-awaited time is nigh
when each and every ancient lie..shall be exposed
and the Truth shall reign once more
in all of its shining innocence and glory, as before
for this has been ordained by RA Himself..”

there is a Heavenly Mother in the Mormon cosmology, whom i think corresponds to the Heavenly Mother that LG references in Gooberz. another of LG's favorite esoteric writers is Annalee Skarin, suggested reading in her Pilgrim's Progress list, a prominent Mormon writer whose works are quite beautiful and illuminating.

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posted September 29, 2007 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message

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posted September 29, 2007 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for naiad     Edit/Delete Message
a similarity in LG's works and Mormons is the idea of our body temple...refining and respecting our body temples. this also is prominent in the ideas of the ancient essenes. a lot of LG's esoteric writing revolves around JC and the essenes. see the following website for some interesting information on Joseph Smith and essenes ~

http://essenes.net/MORMON.HTM

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posted September 30, 2007 03:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
This is what gets me. The Mormon church is definitely not an establishment that could have simply been made up. There are far too many coincidences with historical stuff coming up and all sorts.....

And to be honest, it kinda scares me because it really does make me wonder about the 'Illuminati'....that they could have had a hand in all of this.

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posted September 30, 2007 03:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
What coincidences?

Are coincidences proof that something is truth?

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posted September 30, 2007 03:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
They know too much about certain things....but no, it is not proof that something is truth. I certainly don't believe it is. It does, however, make me wonder a lot about the 'Illuminati', etc.

Who is behind all these religions? These visions and apparitions?!

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posted September 30, 2007 06:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
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posted September 30, 2007 10:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message
Ummm, those Mormons need help. I'm darkskinned because my ancestors helped Luficer/Satan??? Nice.......not. Sorry, but that's the type of thinking that justified the Trans-Atlantic slave trade.

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posted September 30, 2007 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for naiad     Edit/Delete Message
yes...that's the sad part. throughout history groups have misused occult knowledge for their own agendas (i.e. hitler). it doesn't render the knowledge "evil", it's simply distorted to fit an agenda.

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posted September 30, 2007 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, but the difference between the Swatzika and the Mormon ideology is that the former was not supposed to be racist (it was distorted to be that way), the latter just is racist.

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posted September 30, 2007 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for naiad     Edit/Delete Message
i was referring to the similarities between the esoteric knowledge of the essenes and the mormons. there is a lot of occult knowledge in their (mormon) system that is of a more ancient origin, as LG notes in Gooberz. this knowledge in and of itself doesn't have the same meaning as the group that applies it to that individual group's theology, in much the same way that the nazis took ancient esoteric knowledge and twisted it to fit their agenda.

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posted September 30, 2007 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for naiad     Edit/Delete Message
also, just like the bible, some people take the works figuratively and some take them literally. there are many people who believe that the original meaning does not apply the people's actual skin color, but to that of their souls.

that said, i do agree with an essay of Toni Morrison's that postulates that all references to light meaning *good* and dark meaning *evil*, as in the popular phrase *dark forces*, in all literature throughout the ages, has a racist bias by the very nature of those as descriptive terms.

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posted September 30, 2007 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
Agreed. I loathe racism in all forms.

As for "darkness" and "light", I must say it is pretty devastating to me to think that people have distorted these symbolic words to mean skin colour. Symbolic words are simply meant to make non-physical things easier to explain.

Black is not a colour; it is a shade. However, to describe someone as "black" is really a misnomer because skin is never really black, even the darkest skins. It is actually a rich, healthy brown.
Just as "white" skin is not really white, but rather various shades of cream, if you like...unless you are albino.

It is possible that all white people may have come from black people, from albinoism.....albinoism may have been "the mark of Cain".

I also think it makes sense that our genes adapt, over the course of many, many years, to be more efficient at living in any given environment.....there are scientists who believe humans evolved white skin to absorb higher levels of vitamin D in climates with low levels of sunlight such as Sweden.........

I also think the Earth is far older than people realize.

Mormons aren't bad people. Far from it. It's just their doctrine is a bit misleading, that's all. I don't believe in any of it. But I do think the whole subject of religion is extremely mind-boggling. It's like trying to search for answers in a giant matrix/ labyrinth.

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posted September 30, 2007 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for naiad     Edit/Delete Message
Toni Morrison is an author and Princeton University professor who has won both the Pulitzer and Nobel prizes for her work. the essay i mentioned is very compelling and i'm sure that her words are much more eloquent and explanatory than mine. if i can find the actual essay, i will post it here...it really is very eye opening.

the race issue is a valid one. some people in the church apologize for the church's position on this issue, saying it was a mistake, a mistake in understanding. it definitely is a question that deserves thorough examination. during Joseph Smith's tenure as the president of the church he founded, black men were inducted into the priesthood, and he was a vocal anti-slavery proponent. it was only after his death that the church changed its position on the status of black people in the church.

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posted September 30, 2007 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
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it was only after his death that the church changed their position on the status of black people in the church.

Wow, really? I didn't know this.

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posted September 30, 2007 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for naiad     Edit/Delete Message
yup.

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posted September 30, 2007 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
What would be a better word than darkness to describe spiritual amnesia? ~Spiritual amnesia? And light? ~Awareness?

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posted September 30, 2007 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for naiad     Edit/Delete Message
his own wife Emma broke from the LDS church after his death and started her own LDS church, the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (RLDS), based on what she believed to be the true teachings of Joseph.

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posted September 30, 2007 01:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for naiad     Edit/Delete Message
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What would be a better word than darkness to describe spiritual amnesia? ~Spiritual amnesia? And light? ~Awareness?


lol, i was just wondering this myself.

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posted September 30, 2007 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
I was aware of there being another off-shoot of Mormonism promoting polygamy, as opposed to the mainstream church which forbids people to practice it, but to keep within the laws of the land.....

I wonder if this was the one Emma founded, or is the one Emma founded yet another branch?!

This is the world of illusion- it's all the same to me!

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posted September 30, 2007 01:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
There is also stuff out there claiming that Joseph Smith had 33 wives??!

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posted September 30, 2007 01:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for naiad     Edit/Delete Message
the original LDS church promoted polygamy. this was one of the major things that Emma disagreed with, and contributed to her founding the reorganized church.

the LDS church only reversed its position on polygamy in the early part of the 20th century, after the U.S. government threatened to confiscate all its property if it continued to allow the practice. there are some mormon churches today (that follow the book of mormon) that still advocate the practice of polygamy, but they have no relation to the LDS church. the official LDS position is that polygamy is unlawful.

many people in the LDS church believe that the practice will one day be restored, as commanded by God.

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posted September 30, 2007 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for naiad     Edit/Delete Message
yes, there are a lot of wild claims out there about JS and his wild mormon outlaws.

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