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Topic: Video on Mormonism
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BlueRoamer Knowflake Posts: 3846 From: Calm Blue Ocean, Calm Blue Ocean Registered: Jun 2003
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posted September 28, 2007 01:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy0d1HbItOo&mode=related&search= wow. IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees Knowflake Posts: 3666 From: Infinity Registered: Jul 2005
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posted September 28, 2007 03:01 PM
There are a few inaccuracies in that video. For example, they don't believe that Jesus had three wives. There are some similarities in the religion to Freemasonry, which goes back to the temple of Solomon. I'll see if I can find out more.It is rather funny though. IP: Logged |
naiad Knowflake Posts: 1645 From: Registered: Sep 2006
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posted September 29, 2007 04:09 PM
interesting words of LG regarding Mormons ~“Jesus the man, incarnated upon Earth as a teacher to stand as a symbol for all men and women I cannot give you further details of his lost years you must search within your heart ..for you know the answers” “why were those precious years lost to us?” “lost because of those spiritual leaders who were entrusted as the heirs of Peter with the Keys to the Kingdom yet, who removed the writings of his years from the Holy Scriptures believing themselves to be right in so doing.” “how could such gross deception be right?” “part of the answer lies in a great mystery even now kept contained in the Vatican in Rome and related in a most astonishing manner to the mute..but still secretly singing strange circle of rocks at Stonehenge, England inter-twined with a never revealed discovery nearly seven centuries ago..of ancient druidic writings containing the awesome wondrous, yet terrifying mystery of the English alphabet..and language of words and numbers at which time, certain members of the religious Hierarchy did determine among themselves..that these unexpectedly unearthed secret formulas of the Truth of existence and the trembling reality of the lost powers of the gods and goddesses now called Earthlings constituted dangerous knowledge for the masses and therefore, caused to have removed all references from the Scriptures which might, even through latent suggestion light the flame of soul memory within the sleeping hearts of all men and women who then might recall their lost powers and once again use them as a force for awful destruction in this, the Church Fathers believed themselves to be right and the other part of the answer to your question hidden for many centuries..is the negative motivation by those who desired to retain the religious patriarchy for the sake of the priesthood and indeed, for the sake of the entire religious hierarchy of even each Protestant denomination who felt it to be, as did the Church of Rome a fearsome abomination for the ‘unclean’ woman to arise ......for the feminine ‘I’ of the individuality to assume her rightful place – as equal in wisdom to the masculine ‘O’ of the Overself this even now reflected in the Church’s attitude toward women more prevalent in the Vatican and in the Mormon strongholds for these two pillars do hold many secrets than do the more direct and uncomplicated Protestant churches but the time is swift approaching when all which has been so long buried ..when each earthquaking secret shall be revealed into the Light of knowing that long-awaited time is nigh when each and every ancient lie..shall be exposed and the Truth shall reign once more in all of its shining innocence and glory, as before for this has been ordained by RA Himself..” there is a Heavenly Mother in the Mormon cosmology, whom i think corresponds to the Heavenly Mother that LG references in Gooberz. another of LG's favorite esoteric writers is Annalee Skarin, suggested reading in her Pilgrim's Progress list, a prominent Mormon writer whose works are quite beautiful and illuminating.
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ListensToTrees Knowflake Posts: 3666 From: Infinity Registered: Jul 2005
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posted September 29, 2007 05:17 PM
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naiad Knowflake Posts: 1645 From: Registered: Sep 2006
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posted September 29, 2007 05:54 PM
a similarity in LG's works and Mormons is the idea of our body temple...refining and respecting our body temples. this also is prominent in the ideas of the ancient essenes. a lot of LG's esoteric writing revolves around JC and the essenes. see the following website for some interesting information on Joseph Smith and essenes ~ http://essenes.net/MORMON.HTM IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees Knowflake Posts: 3666 From: Infinity Registered: Jul 2005
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posted September 30, 2007 03:08 AM
This is what gets me. The Mormon church is definitely not an establishment that could have simply been made up. There are far too many coincidences with historical stuff coming up and all sorts.....And to be honest, it kinda scares me because it really does make me wonder about the 'Illuminati'....that they could have had a hand in all of this. IP: Logged |
BlueRoamer Knowflake Posts: 3846 From: Calm Blue Ocean, Calm Blue Ocean Registered: Jun 2003
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posted September 30, 2007 03:12 AM
What coincidences?Are coincidences proof that something is truth? IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees Knowflake Posts: 3666 From: Infinity Registered: Jul 2005
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posted September 30, 2007 03:20 AM
They know too much about certain things....but no, it is not proof that something is truth. I certainly don't believe it is. It does, however, make me wonder a lot about the 'Illuminati', etc.Who is behind all these religions? These visions and apparitions?! ------------------ It would be nice to evolve some sort of telepathy of the heart; empathy. A feeling, knowing inside how we are all interconnected. Empathy/ love would be a a law in itself. IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees Knowflake Posts: 3666 From: Infinity Registered: Jul 2005
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posted September 30, 2007 06:48 AM
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Dulce Luna Knowflake Posts: 4595 From: The Asylum Registered: Mar 2006
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posted September 30, 2007 10:29 AM
Ummm, those Mormons need help. I'm darkskinned because my ancestors helped Luficer/Satan??? Nice.......not. Sorry, but that's the type of thinking that justified the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. IP: Logged |
naiad Knowflake Posts: 1645 From: Registered: Sep 2006
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posted September 30, 2007 11:27 AM
yes...that's the sad part. throughout history groups have misused occult knowledge for their own agendas (i.e. hitler). it doesn't render the knowledge "evil", it's simply distorted to fit an agenda.IP: Logged |
Dulce Luna Knowflake Posts: 4595 From: The Asylum Registered: Mar 2006
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posted September 30, 2007 11:53 AM
Yeah, but the difference between the Swatzika and the Mormon ideology is that the former was not supposed to be racist (it was distorted to be that way), the latter just is racist. IP: Logged |
naiad Knowflake Posts: 1645 From: Registered: Sep 2006
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posted September 30, 2007 12:34 PM
i was referring to the similarities between the esoteric knowledge of the essenes and the mormons. there is a lot of occult knowledge in their (mormon) system that is of a more ancient origin, as LG notes in Gooberz. this knowledge in and of itself doesn't have the same meaning as the group that applies it to that individual group's theology, in much the same way that the nazis took ancient esoteric knowledge and twisted it to fit their agenda.IP: Logged |
naiad Knowflake Posts: 1645 From: Registered: Sep 2006
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posted September 30, 2007 12:41 PM
also, just like the bible, some people take the works figuratively and some take them literally. there are many people who believe that the original meaning does not apply the people's actual skin color, but to that of their souls.that said, i do agree with an essay of Toni Morrison's that postulates that all references to light meaning *good* and dark meaning *evil*, as in the popular phrase *dark forces*, in all literature throughout the ages, has a racist bias by the very nature of those as descriptive terms. IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees Knowflake Posts: 3666 From: Infinity Registered: Jul 2005
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posted September 30, 2007 01:06 PM
Agreed. I loathe racism in all forms.As for "darkness" and "light", I must say it is pretty devastating to me to think that people have distorted these symbolic words to mean skin colour. Symbolic words are simply meant to make non-physical things easier to explain. Black is not a colour; it is a shade. However, to describe someone as "black" is really a misnomer because skin is never really black, even the darkest skins. It is actually a rich, healthy brown. Just as "white" skin is not really white, but rather various shades of cream, if you like...unless you are albino. It is possible that all white people may have come from black people, from albinoism.....albinoism may have been "the mark of Cain". I also think it makes sense that our genes adapt, over the course of many, many years, to be more efficient at living in any given environment.....there are scientists who believe humans evolved white skin to absorb higher levels of vitamin D in climates with low levels of sunlight such as Sweden......... I also think the Earth is far older than people realize. Mormons aren't bad people. Far from it. It's just their doctrine is a bit misleading, that's all. I don't believe in any of it. But I do think the whole subject of religion is extremely mind-boggling. It's like trying to search for answers in a giant matrix/ labyrinth. ------------------ It would be nice to evolve some sort of telepathy of the heart; empathy. A feeling, knowing inside how we are all interconnected. Empathy/ love would be a a law in itself. IP: Logged |
naiad Knowflake Posts: 1645 From: Registered: Sep 2006
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posted September 30, 2007 01:21 PM
Toni Morrison is an author and Princeton University professor who has won both the Pulitzer and Nobel prizes for her work. the essay i mentioned is very compelling and i'm sure that her words are much more eloquent and explanatory than mine. if i can find the actual essay, i will post it here...it really is very eye opening.the race issue is a valid one. some people in the church apologize for the church's position on this issue, saying it was a mistake, a mistake in understanding. it definitely is a question that deserves thorough examination. during Joseph Smith's tenure as the president of the church he founded, black men were inducted into the priesthood, and he was a vocal anti-slavery proponent. it was only after his death that the church changed its position on the status of black people in the church. IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees Knowflake Posts: 3666 From: Infinity Registered: Jul 2005
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posted September 30, 2007 01:22 PM
quote: it was only after his death that the church changed their position on the status of black people in the church.
Wow, really? I didn't know this. IP: Logged |
naiad Knowflake Posts: 1645 From: Registered: Sep 2006
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posted September 30, 2007 01:23 PM
yup. IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees Knowflake Posts: 3666 From: Infinity Registered: Jul 2005
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posted September 30, 2007 01:24 PM
What would be a better word than darkness to describe spiritual amnesia? ~Spiritual amnesia? And light? ~Awareness?IP: Logged |
naiad Knowflake Posts: 1645 From: Registered: Sep 2006
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posted September 30, 2007 01:28 PM
his own wife Emma broke from the LDS church after his death and started her own LDS church, the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (RLDS), based on what she believed to be the true teachings of Joseph. IP: Logged |
naiad Knowflake Posts: 1645 From: Registered: Sep 2006
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posted September 30, 2007 01:29 PM
quote: What would be a better word than darkness to describe spiritual amnesia? ~Spiritual amnesia? And light? ~Awareness?
lol, i was just wondering this myself.
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ListensToTrees Knowflake Posts: 3666 From: Infinity Registered: Jul 2005
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posted September 30, 2007 01:32 PM
I was aware of there being another off-shoot of Mormonism promoting polygamy, as opposed to the mainstream church which forbids people to practice it, but to keep within the laws of the land.....I wonder if this was the one Emma founded, or is the one Emma founded yet another branch?! This is the world of illusion- it's all the same to me! IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees Knowflake Posts: 3666 From: Infinity Registered: Jul 2005
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posted September 30, 2007 01:33 PM
There is also stuff out there claiming that Joseph Smith had 33 wives??!IP: Logged |
naiad Knowflake Posts: 1645 From: Registered: Sep 2006
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posted September 30, 2007 01:38 PM
the original LDS church promoted polygamy. this was one of the major things that Emma disagreed with, and contributed to her founding the reorganized church.the LDS church only reversed its position on polygamy in the early part of the 20th century, after the U.S. government threatened to confiscate all its property if it continued to allow the practice. there are some mormon churches today (that follow the book of mormon) that still advocate the practice of polygamy, but they have no relation to the LDS church. the official LDS position is that polygamy is unlawful. many people in the LDS church believe that the practice will one day be restored, as commanded by God. IP: Logged |
naiad Knowflake Posts: 1645 From: Registered: Sep 2006
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posted September 30, 2007 01:40 PM
yes, there are a lot of wild claims out there about JS and his wild mormon outlaws. IP: Logged |