posted October 05, 2007 02:09 PM         

Whatever lives has God in them.
We as humans are given responsibility to take care of these poor creatures.

Always the higher/future generation must look after the less privileged once.

It is why u have been given that privelege to oversee animals.

I am not saying stop eating animals and all that. Just don't be greedy and do not waste.

Pray a little prayer and then eat.

posted October 05, 2007 02:18 PM         

Although I agree to ur point, but not to the context - i still ask all dog owners - to always teach their pets table manners if the pets are living with u.

Or let them be in the wild. Atleast they will eat things of nature good/bad.

posted October 05, 2007 02:21 PM         

Amen to that.

I also think its wrong to leash dogs.

How annoying those fellows must be feeling.

What if u are being taken to a planet and are put in a museum?

Are seaworld, and other such places wrong?
Hmmm....why can't we all boycott such place...

posted October 05, 2007 02:29 PM         

hehehe...well in that regard the animals are better. they have one less addiction to worry about...heheh...

but how much can one enjoy sex?
a womans body is designed to menopause at the age of 50 or 55 (is it?)

Perhaps its God ways of also telling her - please u had enough orgasms. Don't complaint if u don't have another?

posted October 05, 2007 02:48 PM         

Here is more food for thought:

Auric energy is energy. The source matters not. Energy alone is pure and universally pure energy.
On a planet or in space the developing foetus will generate its own aura as a by product of the growing, and it will be completed by the 3rd. month, enabling the soul to then enter safely. (Only body thieves and walk-ins, who should not be claiming said body come in before the aura has completely formed.)
The soul will acclimate and fully integrate aura, body and soul and within the next two months
The Quickening will be felt by the mother when integration is completed.
My theory based on a source I cannot disclose at this time.

This refers to Earth born.
I theorize one born in space or conceived there would use the astrological info of its planet of species origin first and then apply extraterrestrial astrological aspects after the Earth born charts.
Just my opinion here.
I feel the soul moves into the unborn foetus at about 3 months.
That would be the time one's body to be born into the world in is living under the opposite Sun sign.
And when the Earth is in the sign they will be born under.
I was born early as a Scorpio, but should have been a Capricorn.
If I had not been a premmie born Under sun sign Scorpio, Taurus would be my Earth Sign I was born under.
The Sun is in Taurus for example during the quickening for those born under Scorpio, when the soul enters the foetus.
Taurus is the balance for a full term Scorpio.
Scorpio being the Sun sign and Taurus their Earth sign at birth.
And the Earth would be in Scorpio during their quickening while the Sun would be in Taurus.
So in essence a full term Scorpio while in the womb was a Taurus Sun and Earth Scorpio.
Then at birth the switch occurs. Earth Scorpio becomes Sun Scorpio and Sun Taurus becomes
Earth Taurus because at a full term Scorpio's birth the Earth is in Taurus.
Because I was born early...My Earth sign was Capricorn...not Taurus.
I was conceived under Taurus but did not enter until Earth was in Capricorn and the sun in Cancer.
So unlike a full term Scorpio:
Conception=Aquarius Sun/Leo Earth
Quickening =Taurus Sun/Scorpio Earth
Birth=Scorpio Sun/Taurus Earth
I am:
Conception=Taurus Sun/Earth Scorpio
Quickening=Cancer Sun/Capricorn Earth
Birth=Scorpio Sun/Cancer Earth
If I'd been full term I would be:
Conception=Scorpio Sun/Taurus Earth
Quickening=Cancer Sun/Capricorn Earth
Birth=Capricorn Sun/Cancer Earth

About the soul and time it enters the foetal body.
Up to 60% or more fertilzed eggs are naturally aborted before the woman even may know she is pregnant. Up until 11 1/2 weeks twins may suddenly become one, as one dies and is reabsorbed or is lost.
So to my way of thinking and experience.....
The soul does not move into the foetal body until the body has become mature enough to in most cases survive and also has begun to form its own aura which it could not have until the brain begain its folding at about 16 weeks or so. So I believe the soul enters at the time many have called;
THE QUICKENING.
That time when the first movements and kicks are felt!!!!!!!!
HEY MA! I'M HOME!!!!!!!!!!!

It would be a terible cruelty and unnecessary for souls to risk up to a 60% body death rate before even having a chance. It would also I feel cause insanity if someone came in too soon.

I am not speaking of pre implantment eggs.
These are implanted fertilized eggs that have even become early embryos or a foetus when they die or are reabsorbed.
I am not talking before implantation in the uterus.
It is a medical fact.
Fully beating hearts yet they can die and be reabsorbed or miscarried. Even with limbs and all this happens.
I still feel the time of the Quickening is when the soul comes into the body. It is then fully formed but has approximately 20 to 24 more weeks to gestate.

More here on souls/the foetus/abortions/quickenings http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/002581-3.html

posted October 05, 2007 02:54 PM         

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NAM >>>How about, we don't have sex just to procreate
hehehe...well in that regard the animals are better. they have one less addiction to worry about...heheh...

but how much can one enjoy sex?
a womans body is designed to menopause at the age of 50 or 55 (is it?)

Perhaps its God ways of also telling her - please u had enough orgasms. Don't complaint if u don't have another?

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Perhaps we should start a topic about this.

So, you are saying if sex is an addcition then why don't I feel the same with all my partners?
A drug will make me feel always the same and I can recreate that feeling everytime I take the drug, but......
perhaps we shall take this somewhere else...

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but how much can one enjoy sex?
a womans body is designed to menopause at the age of 50 or 55 (is it?)

Perhaps its God ways of also telling her - please u had enough orgasms. Don't complaint if u don't have another?

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I sure hope you were joking.

posted October 05, 2007 03:41 PM         

U superwoman. No I wasn't joking. I honestly can't experience what men/woman at that age experience. It was my opinion.

I never come to a room , as if I know everything. I love to know things. Love to experience them. It helps me never to get bored of doing same things daily.

I have seen people who order the same food at the same restaurant every weekend. It becomes a routine. I am not like that. Well to each its own.

Well Men biologically produce sperms till the day they die. Its a fact.

And we are attaching our own meaning to it.

I thought the amount of testorene u have in ur body equals the production of sperms/eggs equals.

So with age the testorene drops and therefore the urge to have sex drops too.

So ur saying those eggs are just for fertility nothing else. The strongest sperm always is given the task of carrying the genes to the egg.

Fayte - sure u do enjoy sex /or closeness. But it can't be biological..come on , at 60 , i cud die of heart attack if I do that air hostess in the toilet of an aircraft ...heheheh...

.have u heard of Tantric sex at all?

Sex is a beautiful gift given by God.

Perhaps NAM is right that distinguishes us from animals. Animal use it to procreate.

But humans have to be careful of not getting overpowered by sex. Is it? Or it is just my own fear.

posted October 05, 2007 03:50 PM         

I also think another difference between non-human animals and human animals is that non-human animals are naturally in tune with their intuitive abilities, whereas humans have mostly lost this. We humans battle with this so-called rational, freak mind.

Is it a blessing or a curse?

I don't know. But maybe it can be either. Shame most of us have forgotten who we truly are. Perhaps if more of us could remember, then we could really make a difference in the world....and be co-creators together in all of this......

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"take a sad song, and make it better"

I don't know whether you can say animals have morals or not. But what they certainly do have is compassion. I have absolutely no doubt about that whatsoever.

I know animals feel all the emotions we do.

It may vary from species to species.

I think of the body as being like a "trip" through time and space; our particular physical form influences our perspective and feeling. The world must look billions of different ways according to each to each species, an even individual!

Animals do not put labels on their actions and call them a "sin".

Perhaps if they did, they might become as perverse as we are?

I'm not saying these thoughts are right.....just sharing these thoughts.

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so why do we still long for the body?

its why i said we need to take that leap jump from being human to becoming totally divine.

many run out of gas so to speak and cannot make that leap.

Will be back on that one..

posted October 05, 2007 03:57 PM         

What do we really need to ascend?

I have been thinking that it may simply be to let go of our attachment with form.

posted October 05, 2007 04:06 PM         

now do they have sex play ?

possible...don't humans have sex with dogs?

not majority but some do.

ok homosexuality is in animals...its in humans too.

so why must we cherish the difference.

how did we ever get to the top of the food chain? if the creatures the size of dinosaurs roamed earth, we humans wud not have survived.

Why cud I and others not incarnate as dinosaur and continue to enjoy earth?

Other than lion, all other animals only hunt when they are hungry. A lion sometimes hunts for his pride. To keep others forever scared.

I think we must have a seperate post that says "What animal were u?" That will be interesting.

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U superwoman. No I wasn't joking. I honestly can't experience what men/woman at that age experience. It was my opinion.

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I have seen people who order the same food at the same restaurant every weekend. It becomes a routine. I am not like that. Well to each its own.

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Well Men biological produce sperm till the day they die. Its a fact.

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And we are attaching our own meaning to it.

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I thought the amount of testorene u have in ur body equals the production of sperms/eggs equals.

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So with age the testorene drops and therefore the urge to have sex drops too.

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So ur saying those eggs are just for fertility nothing else.

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Fayte - sure u do enjoy sex /or closeness.

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But it can't be biological..come on i cud die of heart attack if I do that air hostess in the toilet of an aircraft ...heheheh...

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Sex is a beautiful gift given by God.

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But humans have to be careful of not getting overpowered by sex. Is it? Or it is just my own fear.

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Other than lion, all other animals only hunt when they are hungry. A lion sometimes hunts for his pride. To keep others forever scared.

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posted October 05, 2007 04:49 PM         

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I am freer now to not rush and to savour each sweet exquisite ecstasy nuance in ways I could not do when younger

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I love it!!!!!

Now!.....I am not saying that I agree,or I don't,or I beleive it or not because "I can't feel for you"; I will say though , my sexual intensity has gone from 0 to 100 back to 0 depending on the partner and not the age.
And no, I am not talking size here LOL

posted October 05, 2007 04:51 PM         

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What do you mean by being divine, Mannu? Do you think immortality is necessary, or just a choice/ possibility?

What do we really need to ascend?

I have been thinking that it may simply be to let go of our attachment with form.

What do you think?

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*Someone is on the spot

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I hear much about the immortality concept. I feel it is not our physical bodies that will do it, but the ability to remember our previous incarnations or at least the lessons learned. Perhaps we will eventually be able to be what I term, a "resulate". To be able to go back and forth between physical as desired. This would require only being physical while performing physically required tasks, such as building, farming, and pregnancy etcetera. The rest of the time one would not require food or task the environmental resources as much. I think it would also allow us to move very fast while in such a state. Perhaps even take light energy ships or beams to other worlds and resulate there in whatever form is appropriate to that planet.
They could stay in physical form then and begin a new physical society if they desired to do so.

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When I hug or hold or make love to my husband...(and I am NOT speaking of SEX here!)I begin to swim...his energy is intoxicating...it makes me feel all floaty..stoned..and in a kind of stoned like ethereal feeling warm glowing haze. I cannot describe the joy I recieve by giving him happiness and pleasure! It comes back to me in such waves of ecstasy that I feel lifted up and my whole being seems to soar and fly and swim within his auric field. I could go on and on! I want to laugh and scream and sing with joy!
And often I DO!
Certain music will also move me to a spiritual orgasm. It will lift me like magic to my feet and I will without meaning to...begin to sway and dance and whirl and in a kind of trance state become one with the music. Or Aurora Borealis...or the
sight of the perfect sunset over water...or the sounds of the night and the bright stars and planets overhead in the wilderness. Or the rising of the full moon over the desert of sand..and the stars that touch the horizon while filling the night sky with more stars than ever one can see anywhere else!
The look my son gave me and the "Ur" song he sang after he was newly born....yes...so many things invoke within me an ecstacy that surpasses mere sexual orgasms.
There is no way to truly describe to another this perfect bliss if they have never experienced it.
PS.The "Ur Song"..is a form of sound a newborn often makes that does not sound like anything a newborn could sing or make such a sweet and beautifully haunting musical sound. I will see if I can find information on that amazing phenomenom.
Moments of Euphoria! Rapturous Ecstasies! Ethereal Elevation! Serenades of the Soul!
Oh my yes! Magical Melodies of the Mind!
Sensory Transformation! That feeling which transcends all time sense and for a moment time seems to stand ever so gently and perfectly still in those exquisite moments where we experience true heaven here on Earth!
I love the ones in dream that wake me up with their intensity....and I lay there then wide awake still shuddering in delight! Very cool! Funny thing is, the dreams that bring them on are very seldom "sexually" erotic!

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I read something about "Amygdala Shift" some months back where intense Euphoria causes mental evolution after something which would seem like a "Spiritual Orgasm".
Amygdala is in the brain, near the pineal gland I think.The only time I have felt something like a spiritual orgasm is when I discover some new engineering/scientific insight (EUREKA effect?)
or when I break a personal best in weights.
Must be a guy thing...

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Iqhunk!
Hello!
Amygdala Shift! This can possibly explain why I enter REM at an "abnormally" short time...unlike the usual 90 minutes or so. Also my brain scans and encephalagrams are unusual. I also experience Synesthesia..and
other things such as an enhanced sense of being able to differentiate between more diverse scents/odors...than is common.
If what you describe is only a "guy thing"...then I am the odd woman...or perhaps it is because I feel that this is one of only two lifetimes I have spent as a female.
You see...I too get them after/during eurekas and epiphanies..and by way of intense philosophical discussion.
In dreams from which I am often awakened by such an orgasm..it is not from a sexually stimulating dream but instead from a dream where I am with such as Pythagoras, Confucious..Einstien..Lao Tse..Stephen Hawking..Timothy Leary..Yeshua..Buddha..Dr.Ushui..Sargon1..Nikola Tesla..Marie Curie..Buckminster Fuller..
Salvador Dali..
Well..you get the idea!
These type of orgasms are much like the sexual ones but they DO NOT ORIGINATE in the genitals! They start with the back of my head and then the area between my eyes begins to tingle and then shock waves like rolling electricity move down my body in rhythmic undulations that like in some ways are akin to birthing contractions...but involve my entire body. They increase in speed and intensity...without a pause...each wave carrying my senses higher and deeper at the same time...
Then upon awakening...and still in shuddering ecstasy from the experience...I feel tingly and my mind is overflowing with such amazing thoughts! I then MUST write down IMMEDIATELY what the dream was about and any diagrams of things that were presented there.
This has driven me to pursue the most peculiar subject matters for just a housewife. Thank you Iqhunk!

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Fayte! I salute you!
You have seen dreams of all my heroes, especially Buckminster Fuller, Pythagoras and Tesla!
Well, you also have precognition. You can sense earthquakes etc. You, my dear, are exceptionally valuable.

About this being a guy thing, maybe it is a "masculine" energy thing and even ladies who are into inventions feel the same?
In the tradition of Tantra, all thought is masculine [Shiva] and all action or manifestation of thought is feminine [Shakti].

I have to give you all the strange info I have, maybe you can do better with it. I am a non-initiate and normal soul who accidentally got involved with this occult and kundalini and etc.
[Tim Wilson explained that from my chart]
But you are a much more evolved soul. Some of the people you have dreamt of are Masters.

In a rare book named AGHORA [1,2,3] by Robert Svoboda, I read about 3 more Chakras. The Master named them Golata, Lalata and Lalana. Some advanced senory tuners into spiritual frequencies. Amygdala is definitely one biological structure mapping to this and what you describe is definitely a spiritual epiphany.

In the Oversoul Tradition, a Silver Cord from Hyperspace connects Humans to their HIgher Self via the Crown CHakra. Possibly the other 2 chakra points deal with this information from God and Oversouls into the Amygdal, Pineal gland and Pituitary? Pituitary controls the DNA by the way.

Are you aware of the works of Janet Swerdlow? I had mentioned before her book , "Decoding YOur Life" is an excellent manual and advanced psychic people can gain tremendous knowledge with those techniques.

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I have my own ways....do NOT get my psychic info from books. I am familiar with these...but nothing there I have not done or looked into. Those are things I have moved beyond some years or more ago...and...have my own theories based on my own research and experiences. But I am doing my Own "things" and writing my own books now along with others in my "circle"..so to speak.
However I respectfully thank you.

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posted October 05, 2007 05:48 PM         

if i cud turn back time.

Fayte,
Well I certainly missed when that transpired. Wheres IQhunk these days.

BTW - im hitting back home...take care all u patrons .

cheers!!!