posted April 14, 2007 01:06 AM         

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Hows spring? Its 6 deg in NJ.
Weird climate.

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Yeah, same here. It's weird... it should be hot and it's cold. We actually had a crazy storm yesterday... It felt different when this ocurred.

posted April 14, 2007 01:18 AM         

Yes the uterus is taken out and the foetus sorry baby is operated upon and miraculously survives.

House says the maternal instinct of the Dean put the mothers life in Danger, so he wasn't quite happy. I think he said 9.8 out of 10 mothers die in reality.

BTW, fayte what we are discussing here has an impact on the issue of abortion , don't you think? The basis of catholic church is that foetuses must not be aborted. I can now understand their sensitivity. Imagine the soul did enter at 13 weeks and the foetus is aborted by the mother. That poor baby was denied the opportunity to be born in this physical world. Alas I was so wrong in the past which suggested that I may have been indifferent to the issue. Even Linda Goodman may be wrong on that issue, perhaps. Do you remember that thread from ages?

Whats your comment?

posted April 14, 2007 01:27 AM         

Sorry you western people hehehe, am I corrupting you with eastern thoughts.

Just kidding. If Jesus was here he would have made the east act like west and the west like east. To understand a little bit of both and go beyond that identity, don't you think.

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Without integration, the world would go to pieces.

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The sense and the non-sense of the search. The knowledge of the Absolute by two sources: 1) by the Unconscious; 2) by the Incarnations. It was available to the enlightened ones. Later on, institutions and organizations were established in the name of the enlightened ones. The unenlightened, when exposed to these institutions, felt the sense of power in these institutions and they created an area through which they could dominate these organizations.

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SHRI VISHNU. Protects and evolves: The new dimension of awarenessopen one by one. During varahasti, the protecting role is evident. Durga takes 108 (main) forms in her many incarnations to protect the sdhakas (seekers).

At the Varaha (wild boar) stage, the (impuksive) fear of the animals is expressed. That is the beginning odf seeking for protection and it is the starting of collective organizations among the animals.

At the time of Narashima (half man , half lion) the awareness of the domination of man over natural forces and animals can be achieved.

In the incarnation of Vamana (short man) the awareness of man was enlightened with the idea that he can capture the three worlds (triloka) Heaven , Earth and the Hell.

The advent of Parshurama (strong man) brought forth the powers achieved by self control (tapobala) and the human beings became aware of it. They started a new search of the inner life in the forest.

Shri Rama. He came to enlightens the human social and political consciousness in the human beings :socio political rules (samaj tatha, Rajkakaran Dharma). He expressed Godßs majesty in the divine rights of kings and human institutions.

Shri Krisha. He incarnated to open another horizon in human understanding, the power of Divine love and to watch the play of God’s power as a witness. By His incarnation the human imagination reached the sky of awareness about the great primordial Being (Virata). So, human beings as philosophers started evolving metaphysical perceptions.

In the life of Jesus Christ, who was the highest expressed essence of spiritual innocence, the human beings understood the sacrifice of the dearest and only son of the Father for the sake of humanity. This gave a very human perception of God’s love for humanity.

The crucifixion of Christ is at the time when people knew about God Almighty through the incarnation of Shri Krishna but did not know how to crucify their human self to make the spiritual self express itself. This was shown in the resurrection of Christ. Thus, the human beings, as physical witnesses, envisaged the immortality of Spirit within man.

Therefore, the advents of incarnations are milestones in the progress of spiritual awareness. They echoed in the darkness of the ignorance, the sound of spirituality and touched every time a new boundless perception, new fragrance, a new color to the beauty of the creation.

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Because man cannot move towards God, God has to come to him as an incarnation. Books cannot do that.

Believing also is only possible through seeing an incarnation at work.

Metaphysics depends on the human conception of God which is limited. The human awareness can not comprehend reality. It has to evolve to the point of Self awareness.

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I think the “Gods” described by the Greeks are the people called as devas. They all are not perfect beings because they are not incarnations; we can call them as officers appointed by God Almighty on the supra conscious area (rajo guna) and sub conscious areas (tamo guna). They are not Deities (devatas) who are fully divine and pure. And exist in the central area, the sushumna nadi (satwa guna).

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The sense of pure companionship that renders complete relaxation to the mind is missing from the western families.

Because the human attention gets diversified, overloaded without getting any real satisfaction. How can one expect to achieve bliss and tranquility in this maddening world? The escape from life and reality is the only way left to the members of such a society. Moreover, how can you blame anyone when everyone is making everybody else sink into misery and is affecting each other in a mutually destroying society?

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Where the women lead a respectable life and are revered there resides the play of the deities. Sacredness of married life.

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You can change your cloth if you can separate your cloth from you. You clean it without feeling guilty about it because you are not your clothes.

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When the false gurus say “everything is divine, everything is good” I say, will the satanic elements speak against themselves. Will the thieves say that one should keep the house locked? They will always say that everything is fine. Keep all open for them to enter and loot you.

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Individually also, the real poverty is of wisdom

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Those people who are trying to find God in the Big Bang are misleading themselves. The power that brought forth the Big bang is universal but is to be achieved within yourself. Ounce the human attention achieves the subtle consciousness it will be able to enter into the subtle power that exists even in the sub atomic particles, the new neutrinos. Otherwise, all matter remains opaque to human eyes, like histology without a microscope.

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Then one must question why the development and the mastery over matter? The deep down truth is that by the revelation of matter and the material development man can save time and labour to contemplate. On the contrary man has become a very busy person and a slave of habits and comfort. Material mastery has bestowed upon him a life long slavery, while man floats gladly in his inflated balloon of ego.

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We can say that the thoughts come from the past and the future in the present – conscious mind. The space is very small. Like a wave a thought emerges, more because of language development, it becomes much more gross and, at the end of it, the attention jumps to another one of many thoughts which are waiting at that ending point. With the Kundalini, the space between the thoughts becomes much wider, with Kundalini’s entry the attention is carried above all the points like a lotus coming out of the mud into the fresh openness of the limbic area which is the “present”. If one remembers his first moment of realization, when the space has increased considerably, he can bring it back into the conscious mind and can help to recreate the same.

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posted April 14, 2007 01:46 AM         

Good Night.

posted April 14, 2007 02:14 AM         

Those are great quotes~ So much to contemplate...

Hi Fayte

A friend of mine just e-mailed me, I wanted to share with you all this beautiful lines~

To thee I bequeath what I have learnt most important in life, aside from love, the vastness of existence is endless. And what I have also learned is that if you can dream, then you can work towards that dream. Then innately, the wonder of it all will trickle down into your reality just for you to taste.

My labors produce fruits with tenacity. I gain direction with the substance and meaning that my dreams give to me. For without the wonder of my dreams, as human being, I would cease to be. Thus, as I unfold and begin to unravel my dreams, there is a belief attained in the process of my journey working towards these ideas. Without a doubt the gifts, which are produced from attaining one dream bestow me a moment in passion and allow my God to let me barely taste the sweetness of my bliss. And I am humbled by the breath of it. Yet, still, I will reach even further and deeper than ever before as the infinite possibilities of my dreams manifest themselves into my life in the act of becoming my reality. A.Eddins~

Cheers,
Silverstone

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The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.

posted April 14, 2007 01:36 PM         

Fayte,
Great advice. Except : but there would also be extremely strict rules for after 12 weeks.

Absolutely no abortion is my advice.
The topic on abortion naturally leads us to discuss ghosts/spirits. Another time perhaps

I guess everyone's stand is right until a certain time when we understand the mechanisms of life

posted April 14, 2007 01:56 PM         

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Fayte,
Great advice. Except : but there would also be extremely strict rules for after 12 weeks.

Absolutely no abortion is my advice.

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My rules strict?
Your NO abortions/terminations is more strict. And would result in many unwanted children. I have had serious fights with holier-than-thou right to lifers. I have met very very very few who would consider adopting one of the unwanted. And have yet to meet ANY who did.
One of the most vocal protestors in my area, when asked if she would adopt one of the unwanteds...replied...No! What would I want with a crack head's ba$tard child? Let God take care of them!"
HUH???????She stands there protesting planned parenthood...protesting the preventing of pregnancy also.....
and of course protesting abortion....yet says things like that?
Well that IS how most I have encountered think. Or that it is God's will that the unwanted child becomes her punishment from God.
HUH??????
So I will stay with my strict rules.
Better an aborted pregnancy or potentential one terminated, rather than an abused unwanted child.
Have you witnessed the horrors the unwanted children are subjected to?
Maybe if adoption rules were not so damn hard, more folks who do want kids and cannot WOULD adopt! But the adoption rules are harsh. So many good potential parents eliminated because of high fees $$$$$$ and or health, or age or gender.
I would rather not be born than to be put through the living hell experienced by too many of the unwanted children.
Alot of these children commit suicide or go on to be abusive parents.

I personally would NOT want to carry on with a pregnancy by rape or whatever.

posted April 14, 2007 02:53 PM         

Thats why its very important to realize at what point the soul enters.

Just as suicide is bad, abortion is also murder and hence bad. When some one dies before they are supposed to be dead they still have to be alive on the earths plane without a body.
For example if a man dies at 60 and he was supposed to live until 70, he will have to spend 10 years as ghost. What kind a life will that be without a body? And imagine for a foetus, he has to spend 70 years perhaps without a body.

You know what I mean. What is better choice for the foetus then? Being called a ******* ? Being abused? Living under poverty? or living a ghostly life?. Well atleast with no abortion they have a body and in my opinion that is a treasure.

But see heres a paradox with this dilemma.

If a baby is aware of their parent, the life he will have , to what age he/she will live etc, before entering the foetus? How come he/she didn't realize that abortion is also a possibility? Hahaha a paradox.

Ok leaving now with that as food for thought.

Well will be back after few days. Something came up.

posted April 14, 2007 03:34 PM         

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Just as suicide is bad, abortion is also murder and hence bad.

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Suicide is NOT automatically bad or good.....Too many factors to take into account there. But it is not a sin.
Any "punishment" will come from the soul itself. Its own angst or guilty feelings.

Abortion is only murder(or euthanasia in some cases)after a soul has entered the body.

Murder is a whole other can of worms.....

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When some one dies before they are supposed to be dead they still have to be alive on the earths plane without a body.
For example if a man dies at 60 and he was supposed to live until 70, he will have to spend 10 years as ghost. What kind a life will that be without a body? And imagine for a foetus, he has to spend 70 years perhaps without a body.

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Not true. Unless his guilt is trapping him. Or a living person will not let him move onward.

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You know what I mean. What is better choice for the foetus then? Being called a ******* ? Being abused? Living under poverty? or living a ghostly life?. Well atleast with no abortion they have a body and in my opinion that is a treasure.

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A ghostly "life". Because if they are ready they will reincarnate again very soon!

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If a baby is aware of their parent, the life he will have , to what age he/she will live etc, before entering the foetus? How come he/she didn't realize that abortion is also a possibility? Hahaha a paradox.

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Because MOST do not have that information beforehand! Those that do have it is because they are seeking a quick in between incarnation after perhaps being trapped after their previous one when they died.

Say Granny dies,

The living mourn her and will not let her go.

She can become trapped until they let her go or die themselves.

So if Granny was trapped before, she might want to have a quickie life so as not to be found again and trapped by the living.

I can answer in more detail, by my way of theories, your questions, and reply to your comments.
But later!
I really MUST go now!

posted April 15, 2007 02:17 PM         

Without a doubt the gifts, which are produced from attaining one dream bestow me a moment in passion and allow my God to let me barely taste the sweetness of my bliss. And I am humbled by the breath of it.

very inspiring, our Mystical Wizard.

posted April 17, 2007 03:27 AM         

Wizard. Yeah. My goal is to find the wizard behind our creation. Theres still bit of ego left in me and I am not fully successful.

Fayte,

Yeah, who are we to lay down rules.
Why must a baby suffer the actions of the mother and father?

I was creating rules their because of my own ego. History has shown whenever people spoke of death , they only created religion.

posted April 17, 2007 04:13 AM         

God can be experienced so many ways:

- Meditation (very very tough to go to a thoughtless state). Also theres not just one technique, theres so many like breathing, kriya yoga, etc etc.

- When 2 or more people gather and talk about God

- Even listening to people talking about truths and feeling very connected to them

- Work

- Humor

so many ways...

I am trying to recount an old story..
Please point out the error if you know this.

I am just recounting from memory so please bear.

There was this disciple of Buddha who wasn't enlightened yet. In the ancient days the master kept an eye on every disciple. He was aware of their strenghts their weakness. One day, there was this disciple who he was with in a garden. And he told this disciple , pointing to a rose "Look."
In that next moment the disciple become enlighted and no one knows how?
People have written volumes on what went on.

I think he would have told him to pluck that flower...don't remember. All right gotta go.

Cheers.

posted April 18, 2007 02:59 AM         

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Mt 13:31 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field

32. Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest amoung herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.

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Have to admit when I apply my guru's teachings, I am understanding Jesus's teachings with a new perspective. I stopped reading the bible since one year. It is edited by hands of men (kings, politicians, religious leader who want to keep the masses trapped, etc). Its just good for reference. My advice will be to also read the parallel religion that exists for each main religion. For example: Kaballa for Judaism. Zen for Buddhism, Gnostic bible for christianity, Sufism for Islam.

Kingdom of heaven is within. And its very hard to imagine what happens when we go within. I have indicated previously how on death we leave our 6 feet body and enter mysteriously thru the needle eyed (heh its just analogy) doors to the other world. We must bear one thing in mind though the more within you go the more expansive you will become. During our meditation there was this guy who said "Guru. I can see cars and people outside the building."

I won't add much commentary because when u read my comments, you will have certain ideas and beliefs. All perception is truth. Each path is the path of the unborn buddha mind. Just be the way you are. Most of the NDE experiences will be little bit similar to each other. Point is it may be different for different people.

The Master Jesus is teaching the mysteries of the kingdom to earthlings so they can understand. His parables mostly included terms that the common people were used to in their daily lifes.

Isn't it amazing to see how a small mustard seed can become a 4 feet tree from ? Jesus is teaching about the potentialities of the mustard seed.

Did you ever notice how the milk becomes curd in less than one hour. Or how the yeast multiplies and makes the dough rise.

He is in a way teaching about why our universe? our role in them? our future.. ok..ok..i better stop. No commentaries I promised.

Cheers!!!

posted April 18, 2007 08:46 AM         

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To thee I bequeath what I have learnt most important in life, aside from love, the vastness of existence is endless. And what I have also learned is that if you can dream, then you can work towards that dream. Then innately, the wonder of it all will trickle down into your reality just for you to taste.

My labors produce fruits with tenacity. I gain direction with the substance and meaning that my dreams give to me. For without the wonder of my dreams, as human being, I would cease to be. Thus, as I unfold and begin to unravel my dreams, there is a belief attained in the process of my journey working towards these ideas. Without a doubt the gifts, which are produced from attaining one dream bestow me a moment in passion and allow my God to let me barely taste the sweetness of my bliss. And I am humbled by the breath of it. Yet, still, I will reach even further and deeper than ever before as the infinite possibilities of my dreams manifest themselves into my life in the act of becoming my reality. A.Eddins~

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posted April 21, 2007 12:18 AM         

Guys/Gals,

Cool link on reincarnation. Finally some great proofs:

- Notice how one girl describes the death process and she says she became smaller and smaller

- Also feel bad for the Tibetans. Such a nice peacefule country and their leaders are in Exile.

- Speaks of Bridey Murphey from Ireland

- At one point some one says if you hypnotise some one and tell them you are dog, they will bark also. Hehehe... why not, what if at some point the person was really a dog?

- Then there is one skeptic who says, the husband visited the wife (now a child) and thats what the child picked. Heheh..can't we apply the law of attraction?

posted April 21, 2007 04:06 AM         

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My advice will be to also read the parallel religion that exists for each main religion. For example: Kaballa for Judaism. Zen for Buddhism, Gnostic bible for christianity, Sufism for Islam.

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I agree, there's so much to learn. I enjoy reading Gnosticism and Buddhism.

Not to get off the subject, but have you ever read Emerson and Thoreau? I read their great works in college and I am currently revisiting their magic!

Nature~ http://oregonstate.edu/instruct/phl302/texts/emerson/nature-contents.html
Self-Reliance~ http://www.bartleby.com/5/104.html

Poetry~
http://www.online-literature.com/emerson/602/

Oversoul~
http://www.rwe.org/comm/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=132&Itemid=42

Walden by Henry David Thoreau http://xroads.virginia.edu/~HYPER/WALDEN/walden.html

Fayte: That is a beautiful picure~

Lia

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The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.

posted April 22, 2007 12:03 AM         

Unfortunately I did not study many american poets, because I studied in former colonial India.

Thank you for posting those cool links. I managed to dig thru some of them. Very interesting and so deep.

Cheers.

posted April 22, 2007 10:36 PM         

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The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.