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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted November 08, 2007 10:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
The sage is a fool because he is one who speaks passably on all subjects, and precisely on none. The mountain view is far from the reality of life in the world below, yet, because the voice of a sage commands an echo, we think it is the voice of God. Although the words of a sage ring true, they cannot move mountains.
God does not speak to us in universals, but in particulars. The sage teaches us by disappointment. His words are useless, and soon direct us back home to look for God. This is the supreme value of what is useless.

The one who teaches truth sacrifices his own learning.
Is there any knowledge more penetrating,
or more superficial, than the knowledge of universals?
The sage converses perfectly on Nothing,
and passably on everything else.
He knows the customs, not the culture;
the land, not the terrain.
He can draw you a map of the holy land,
and direct your feet as far as the temple.
But he doesn't know what obscure sidestreet
the Lord will call to you from, or in what tongue.

A sage is a useless guide.
An interpreter of mysteries,
and a solver of none.

The sage waves from the loftiest precipice;
as if to warn you back, and only draws you closer;
as if to beckon you, and only loses your interest.

The deepest mystery is that there is no mystery.

The deepest wisdom applies to everything,
and is good for nothing.

Let not your wisdom be too deep.


~ hsc

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posted November 08, 2007 10:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
The sage serves to send us back to the god within ourselves. A sage often seems discompassionate, for they have realized that compassion can only go so far.

Useless? Sometimes, maybe in the context that everything is useless, in that it only has use because humanity has applied a use to it. Am I being too concrete?

Is there only kind of sage? Are we talking about the archetypal sage? Is this a spiritual guide or a scholar? Sometimes I have difficulty deciphering what you mean when you write, it is poetic and symoblic, and I'm often not sure what you're trying to get at. Perhaps my method of thinking is too narrow.


Aren't specifics more about knowledge than about wisdom? The more you know about a little, the less you know about a lot, and vice versa?

If you watch people, stupid people, smart people, wise people, ignorant people, actions are really what move mountains. Speech is cheap. I always judge a person more by what they do than what they say. The intention behind the speech is the action, but the words themselves are often hollow, or convey a different message. People say, "would you mind keeping a little quieter while I read?", yet the action behind their words is them grabbing your mouth and shutting it. So a sage that speaks universal truths, what is there intention? What is the force behind the verbage? The fire behind the air?

Sage is also a tasty herb. You like herbs, don't you HSC?

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted November 08, 2007 10:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Wisdom is a boat upon the ocean.
Knowledge is a pitcher from the well.
Wisdom should float.
Knowledge should hold water.

Go to the mountain, and build the Ark of Wisdom;
For the veil is rending, and the dam is bursting;
Soon the world you live in, and the world you see, will be as One.
You knowledge will become your wisdom,
your wisdom will become your knowledge.

Every truth is contextual,
But some truths are more contextual than others;
Seek the highest vantage point.

When you are in agreement with the parable,
you will be in a position to refute it.
How can you truly refute a position,
if you have not understood it yourself?
Observe the zeal of the convert.

We always forget that our purpose is eternally fulfilled
AND eternally being fulfilled.
Keep your hands open.
Grace is not something you can catch.
Keep your mind open.
Grace overflows at a speed faster than you think.

Every time you hear the truth it seems like the first time.

My solution became my problem
My problem became your solution
Your solution became your problem
Your problem became my solution

The best teachers don't say too much,
or teach too well.

Be careful you don't learn what you are here to teach.
Seek with one eye, find with the other.
Learn the future, teach the past.
Receive with one hand and distribute with the other.
Abundance weighs down a miser,
but charity starves a beggar.
Read your book and burn it.
Listen to your guru and go your own way.

I thought I did not know;
that thought I knew too well.
I thought I was the teacher;
that will teach me. (Will I ever learn?)
The closer you get to getting it,
the less sense you make.
Whatever you think, you're thinking.

The seer is blinded.
The seeker knows too much.
Go out!, O Israel!,
Where you seek me,
there have I sent you.

Where have you been;
You never left me.
I missed you all day;
I didnt know what I was missing.
I thought about you;
I didnt know what I was thinking.
I laughed with you;
I didnt know why I was laughing.
I told you the truth;
I didnt know who I was talking to.
I heard the truth again;
I heard it for the first time.
I spoke your name and listened for my own voice;
I almost heard The Word.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted November 08, 2007 11:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
I am the biggest fool.

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posted November 09, 2007 03:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
Join the club.

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posted November 09, 2007 04:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
Gangaji on "real freedom".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSGC5RsYlGI

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/002968.html

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posted November 09, 2007 07:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
Just some thoughts; this is what came to mind after reflecting on your ourobos description.


There is no void; only in ourselves.
"Void" is a concept
A form in imagination

There is no void, except the idea of one.

Hate and love are different frequencies of the same thing.

Love causes ascension
Hate causes descension.

When we destroy ourselves we go back into the source from where we came; we can start afresh, like the Pheonix rise.

But rise we must.

We will rise. And ascend-

In this symbiotic relation;
This creation
(which rhymes with elation).

Truth requires action.

That is the meaning of life.

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posted November 09, 2007 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
...and the spice expands consciousness.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted November 09, 2007 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
You may be right, both of you.

I dont know anything any more.


Letter to a friend:


Something spiritual happened to me, Melody, but I am not in any position to say what it was, although there is a lot i could try to say. I found another key to unlock the door between the two worlds, and it is worth as much as the last one; a grain of wheat. That and a dollar fifty will get me a loaf of bread. Suddenly, my gift is not so special to me. God is so mundane. I wrote a lot, but I dont know what it means, or if its true. Everytime you see the truth, its like the first time. There is something spooky going on here, with all of us, I'm telling you. I had a vision of an ouroboros fractal. Some artist has probably thought of this already. Maybe I got the idea from Petron, or just conceptualized (and maybe clarified) his own idea for him. Anyway, there is so much I could say, but it means so little. God is in the world, Melody. In the details.. in driving the kids to school, brushing your teeth, combing your hair, saying your prayers, and going to bed at a reasonable hour. The greatest mystery is that there is no mystery. The mystery is an illusion. An ouroboros forever emerging and escaping from its own jaws, and chasing its own tail forever down a never ending rabbithole. "Enlightenment is the greatest disappointment... Before enlightenment, chop wood, carry water; after enlightenment, chop wood, carry water." This is my Virgo NNode. I feel like everybody knows this except me. I am the biggest fool. My insights are useless. I am like a man signaling the people not to come this way, and, grabing their attention, they come; or signalling them to come, and losing their interest. So many insights are coming to me that i feel everyone knows but me. I feel so stupid. I think I might be crazy, but I also kind of like it. I hope there is a purpose for people like me. I am begining to think I am meant to play a sort of Judas role. And that all preachers of universal truth, and all artists, play a kind of Judas role. The question is, do we betray God for the sake of God? "If it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.." Who makes possible the Ressurrection? Jesus or Judas? But this is the mystery again, and, is it a fool's errand, or is it my work? I think there must be a purpose for people like me.. I am fixing a carborator, or tuning a piano.. I must remember that i am no better than any other servant. The service I provide is to disappoint them, and redirect them back home to look for God in their own lives. Its not about getting to where you can talk about God, and think clearly about God, unless, by "God", you mean talking about how to mend a broken leg, and thinking about how to do it. Ultimately, its about being God; mending the leg. I dont know. Sometimes I think I have nothing at all, no gift. I am the least capable of practicing, because I only practice how to preach. Is my preaching my practice? Or am I useless? I dont know. I'm off on another trip. I'm the Fool. I might be the Antichrist, lol. I dont know if I can be your teacher, or anybody's teacher. The sort of knowledge I have is probably useless, and may be a hinderance to those wishing to travel the path. I may help you to enjoy the view, but I cant get you where you want to go. I think Jesus was a genius and possibly crazy. But thats another story, sort of.

Oh, and I got an ipod touch.

Thanks for the beautiful recording. <3

I'm more enlightened, and more confused, than ever.
Maybe I'm just too clever for my own good.
Maybe I dont know anything at all.

Write anytime, say anything.
YOU are MY teacher now.

love
Stephen

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juniperb
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posted November 09, 2007 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
Wholly Unique

I asked, "Who are you like
in your overwhelming beauty?"

He replied, "Only myself, as I am quite unique."

I am love,lover
and the Beloved.

I am Beauty, I`m the mirror,
and the longing eye.


Abu Sa id Abi Khayr

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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~

- George Eliot

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posted November 09, 2007 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Enlightenment is seeing the truth again for the last time.

You get it until you get it.

You "get it" until you "get it".

"Got Enlightenment?"

Get it;
So you can get back to work.


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zanya
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posted November 09, 2007 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for zanya     Edit/Delete Message
how long can the moth flirt
near the mouth of the flame before their lips touch
and the moth's soul
becomes like a sun?

and does the moth die then? no.
in serving God one is transformed into Him.

what lovers would return to us,
what lovers would not unite beyond belief and annihilate
their separation forever if they
had the power to do so?

that power our Lord has. how long do you think
you can just flirt with Him before you
dissolve in ecstasy?

existence spins on His potter's wheel;
all is being shaped into the divine.

what lovers would
not want to die
embraced?

Meister Eckhart

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26taurus
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posted November 09, 2007 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
Steve...

"This" is it.

See you on the mountain trail.
(i'm one of the ones;
with axe and bucket
and armfulls of wood)

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posted November 09, 2007 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
..we're everywhere.

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posted November 09, 2007 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
I love Miester Eckhart, Zanya,
he is one of my favorites.

All of you are my teachers.
Everything you say is like a revelation.

But I dont know whats going on.

And sometimes I feel like more of an atheist,
and more of a believer than anybody;
more of a fool, and more of a prophet.
But thats just my humongous ego.

You all are spilling treasures.
Gems flow from all your fingertips,
like water from a fountain.
There's so many of them.

Everyone is a genius.

Nobody understands
Everybody understands

Free will is divine intervention.

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posted November 09, 2007 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Tara,
I'm not one of you, am I?

Is this my work, or my leisure?

Am I chopping wood, or goofing off?

I swear I'm so confused now.

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posted November 09, 2007 01:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
I'm so confused.

Am I crazy?

I think something happened to me.

Are you all enlightened?

Whats going on?

Please, somebody...

I dont want it to be true,
if it is what I think it is.

Oh,...
I'm scared.

I've been quoting and reading about it,
and now I see it, and its so stupid,
and i didnt even get it.

And I'm a loser,
all of you are closer to God than me.

I have nothing, no skills.
I'm so lazy.
I just want to have my dreams,
and it feels like God's hand came down
from heaven and pointed a mighty finger
at my balloons, and popped them!
I'm falling and I'm so far from grounded.

Please, be my friends now.
I dont know if I can handle seeing this.
Its sort of my biggest fear come true.


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posted November 09, 2007 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
How do you even know who gets it,
when everyone is talking about it?

I thought I knew...

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posted November 09, 2007 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
I need to stop thinking for a while.

I need to try.

love to all,
bye for now
s

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26taurus
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posted November 09, 2007 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
"And I'm a loser,
all of you are closer to God than me."

Not true. And you know it.

"How do you even know who gets it,
when everyone is talking about it?"

Who cares about who "gets it" or not? What are they "getting" that you are not? Nothing. I think you are "getting" what you are teaching. That happens alot.

Is "it" something that can be talked about anyway?

quote:
"I don't think God cares where we were graduated or what we did for a living. God wants to know who we are. Discovering this is the work of the soul - it is our true life's work." -- Bernie Siegel

"The true profession of man is to find his way to himself."
-- Hermann Hesse


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zanya
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posted November 09, 2007 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for zanya     Edit/Delete Message

i'm not enlightened Stephen. but i believe in magic.

close your eyes, breathe deep, and repeat several times,

"Be still, and know that I am God."

you'll feel much better.

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posted November 09, 2007 01:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
wash away the dross.

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posted November 09, 2007 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
You could rock out to Jane's Addiction:

comin' down the mountain
one of many children
everybody has
their own opinion
everybody has
their own opinion
holding it back
hurts so bad
jumping out of my flesh
and i said -
cash in!
cash in now honey
cash in now
cash in now
cash in now honey
cash in miss smith
cash in now!
i was comin down the mountain
met a child she had pin eyes
we had the same opinion
had the same opinion
she was holding it back
it hurts do bad
jumping out of her flesh
and i said -
cash in
cash in now honey
cash in now
cash in now
cash in now honey
cash in miss smith
cash in now

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posted November 09, 2007 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
thank you.

I'm so confused.

I'm not like you, Tara.

You get it.

I dont know...

I dont know what I'm doing.

If I had something real.
Something other than God and myself,
to focus on...

God is simple.

I wish I was simple.

You do get it, T.
You try to find your way,
you make use of the things you find,
and you make progress.
You enjoy the scenery, you trust,
you do what needs to be done.
You dont get lost like I do, do you?

I'm so confused.

Is there a right way to do this?

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posted November 09, 2007 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
great song.

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