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Topic: What if we all would just get quiet
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NAM
Knowflake Posts: 1677
From: Sunny place.
Registered: Jan 2007
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posted November 23, 2007 12:29 AM
 
And didn't share...What is the point of just sitting back and not talking and sharing with others, does it mean that we are really that unsecure or do we really beleive there is no point?... maybe we think we are above? IP: Logged |
BlueRoamer
Knowflake Posts: 3331
From: Calm Blue Ocean, Calm Blue Ocean
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted November 23, 2007 01:08 AM
Who's not sharing?IP: Logged |
NAM
Knowflake Posts: 1677
From: Sunny place.
Registered: Jan 2007
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posted November 23, 2007 10:12 AM
The world... you , aren't you a hermit?  Last night I went out for a couple hours and I met some people at a bar, it was two of my friends, the owners of the bar and a couple of their friends, since it was thnaksgiving the place was dead...
So,we started to get into deep discussions and one of the questions that people had was, "who are you?" since we didn't all know each other, and "how do you see yourself?" it was just amazing to me to see how people would stumble with their words and were scare of opening up , I could feel that, after a littke while one of the guys said, "I am tense" , that right there made me realize that I was dead on with the vibes I was getting. And it happens here in this site and other sites I go to, people just don't come out and tell you who they are, which it is amazing to me because I do since I can't lie. I don't know... but there are things in life I get but don't quiet know why we are the way we are. IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees
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From: the capricious clouds, in the land formerly known as Albion
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted November 23, 2007 01:47 PM
I tend to...."bare all"...   IP: Logged |
BlueRoamer
Knowflake Posts: 3331
From: Calm Blue Ocean, Calm Blue Ocean
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted November 23, 2007 05:23 PM
Oh I share Nam....I'm a hermit but I gotta make a living ya know...and when I do work I prefer to work with people...no standing on the sidelines here! IP: Logged |
NAM
Knowflake Posts: 1677
From: Sunny place.
Registered: Jan 2007
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posted November 23, 2007 05:44 PM
I didn't know that BR; I wasn't looking at this post from that point of view though.
I see...IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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From: Pleasanton, CA, USA
Registered: May 2005
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posted November 23, 2007 05:46 PM
I tend to think that it's more difficult to share verbally than it is with the written word. In conversation there's all sorts of reasons why peole go quiet, but when you write there are no interuptions, and you can complete your entire thought.So I guess if everyone lost their vocal chords, communication might actually improve. There's something to think about. IP: Logged |
Mirandee
Moderator Posts: 4309
From: South of the Thumb Taurus, Pisces, Cancer
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted November 24, 2007 02:43 AM
I see people on the internet telling us who they are all the time. I don't really trust people who go around saying I am this way or that way. I think that those who do that are only creating an image of themselves that they want others to believe about them. Otherwise why do they feel the need to tell us? We can just find out in time on our own. I think who a person is on forums such as LL is reflected in their thoughts and opinions on things, what they say and how they say it. Anyone who is tuned in to what people are saying on these boards comes, over time, to know who and what the person actually is and people don't have to tell us who and what they are if we are intuitive and perceptive or if we truly read their words. I truthfully do distrust anyone who wants to tell me who they are instead of letting me come to know that in time through my own intuitions and perceptions. BR shares a great deal of who he is by his words and his thoughts and opinions. So do many others here at LL. He doesn't really have to pour out his whole life in detail on public forums. I intuit the kind of person he is when he shares his feelings on things. Same with others here. If a person is being authentic and not creating an image of themselves they will show more than just one facet of their personality over time. I frankly don't trust anyone who never steps out of character. No one is that perfect. Rarely does anyone on first meeting with someone open up and bear their soul. Normally people only do that in time. I trust my intuitions about people. I will find out in time who they are. Why force those things? Friendship just happens because it is meant to be. Even with my friends I don't pry into their lives. What they want to tell me they will. What they do not wish to tell me is none of my business. People open up and tell you more about who they are as they come to trust you and trust your reactions. Trust is earned. It happens over time. We can even live with people for years and never know everything about them because there are sides of ourselves that we keep private. There are parts of ourselves that we do not want to share, even to those we love. That's how I see it anyway. IP: Logged |
Mirandee
Moderator Posts: 4309
From: South of the Thumb Taurus, Pisces, Cancer
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted November 24, 2007 02:46 AM
Good point, AG. Because some people can express themselves better in the written word than when they speak. IP: Logged |
NAM
Knowflake Posts: 1677
From: Sunny place.
Registered: Jan 2007
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posted November 24, 2007 11:19 AM
I see your point Mirandee, and actually that was one of the issues I was going to post about at another "least enlighted" site I go to, my title subject was going to be: "what are you selling?"
and then inside a simple: "I don't want to buy"It was geared towards people not trusting people and people thinking they are going to be judge when they open up, maybe I should start such a thread in here. See, when I give you a piece of me I am not doing it because I have a need to relate an image, I do it because I want you to know that this is me and it is ok for you to share with me because I took the first step towards opening up and trying to get to know you, I took a big risk so why wouldn't you? That night once we were finished telling who we were I had to ask one of the two guys why he didn't want to give us even a litte bit of him so he said:
"I am the owner of this bar and you are my customers, I can not risk to give any points of view that might ruin your image of me and then you won't come back"
This is when I understood how many hundreds of thousands of years we are away from really caring for each other aside of our beliefs. IP: Logged |
Mirandee
Moderator Posts: 4309
From: South of the Thumb Taurus, Pisces, Cancer
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted November 24, 2007 11:46 AM
I agree NAM. I think people have become too guarded with their feelings. That comes from the fear of rejection. It was that fear of rejection that the owner of the bar expressed to you in his words. His words actually stated that he was protecting an image. I think that is why some people create images instead of just being themselves. You know, it doesn't hurt quite as badly when it is only an image that is rejected as it does when you are being your true self and get that rejection. Some people are more guarded with themselves than others because some people have been hurt worse in life than others. Every time we are hurt we tend to build up walls around ourselves to protect us from further hurts. I agree with you though, that unless we are willing to tear down our inner walls and take the risk of opening our hearts to others it only serves to further stop the flow of love in the world. The risk, I have found, is well worth taking when we encounter others who do accept us as we are. We may also get hurt again. But the risk is worth taking if we wish to spread love in the world. Otherwise the flow of love gets dammed up. IP: Logged |
sesame
Moderator Posts: 1542
From: Oz
Registered: Nov 2003
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posted November 25, 2007 05:52 AM
Very interesting thoughts! There are a few things that I think are rather simple and may not apply to this thread, but then people are naturally complex so the simpleness is not understood. It is easy to say that we're all human, and in fact, siblings of a great family, etc, but so often, as Mirandee has said, we become guarded from fear of rejection, etc, that we can never completely speak openly to everyone. However, I feel it's not quite that simple. Sure, if we were completely open to everyone and all spoke our minds, then we might not be scared or have secrecy issues. Actually, my wife wants us to raise our child to not use the term "secret" as this implies hiding and perhaps, shame of some kind. By being completely open, she hopes to understand what our children are going through and to help wherever needed. However, you can never tell someone to tell you everything, not only is it completely up to that person, but it is also up to the circumstances that the person speaks in. Some people draw information out of others, and some let it be drawn to certain people - to me, this is all about chemistry. If I'm with someone that is very closed-minded, then I may never mention Numerology. Sometimes, this can be where seeds are useful, but you have to wait for their growth. Some people never need to know, in which case, why tell them? You see, to me, what you tell someone is dependent on the situation as to whether the information can be told and received. It's like it almost has to be in context, otherwise all is lost as you may not have another opportunity to say it again. On the other hand, I think people can be closed because they don't want to lose any part of themselves to others, which is fine. It's like a copyright law - they do something that no one else knows about, for if the other person did, then the former wouldn't be the only one they knew that could do that thing.Very cool thoughts. However, NAM, if you asked someone what they are selling, and immediately said you didn't want to buy, wouldn't you expect this to get off the wrong foot? In the opposite way, a salesperson wouldn't ask what you're not interested in, and then try to sell it...  Cheers,
Dean. ------------------
I realized it for the first time in my life:
there is nothing but mystery in the world,
how it hides behind the fabric of our poor,
browbeat days, shining brightly, and we don't even know it. Sue Monk Kidd, "The Secret Life of Bees", p79 Logically Magical Logic is Magically Logical Magic! (and vice versa!)
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NAM
Knowflake Posts: 1677
From: Sunny place.
Registered: Jan 2007
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posted November 25, 2007 12:27 PM
Yes, I am giving the question and the answer but the site I am talking about has many closed minded people that do not like to think and spend hours and hours talking about nothing (sex, how big their wee,wees are etc) so anytime I want an honest opinion about anything I have to shock them in a way that I am forcing them to think and give me asnwers, I was hoping this would make that happen.Talking to you guys I feel more comfortable because you are open minded, as much as we fight and argue you can let go of that fight and go on with your life(for the most part anyway LOL), the other site holds grudges for no reason, people will actually leave if they get hurt... Maybe I should give you a couple examples of threads I have started over there and you can see for yourself their mentality. Again...by asking what they are selling and giving the answer of "I don't want to buy" is just a reflection of who we are and what we do all the time.(as a society) Let's take spirituality as an example and use something we share in here.
I have been very interested in many books since last year, I have had an ongoing thirst for truth in my life and who I am for about 5 years or so, but intensified last year when I thought I found love (see another sad thread at the Astrology forum)
I wanted answers!
And in the process I thought I had found a way to get my answers until about 2-3 weeks ago when I started to see this was getting bigger and bigger and more commercialized , I now feel somewhat turned off about this(new age stuff), it becomes an issue about money anymore and the information is now not so reliable to my eyes because having worked with money for 18 years I KNOW what this does to people so I am not so sure about this, are people trying to sell me a new idea or is this really something that is truth of who we are? I hope I made myself clear on that last paragraph. IP: Logged |
Solane Star
Knowflake Posts: 4598
From: Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted November 25, 2007 12:48 PM
Nam, just a question here, but if you have to go to this site and judge and always be the one to make them see something different, why do you even go there???? We can't change or control other's, only ours-ELVES!!!! IP: Logged |
Solane Star
Knowflake Posts: 4598
From: Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted November 25, 2007 12:57 PM
Why is it so important anyhow to get ones opinion from a bunch of WEE WEES as you put it!!! LOL!!!Get it!!! LOL!!! Can't be that important, can it????LOL!!! IP: Logged |
NAM
Knowflake Posts: 1677
From: Sunny place.
Registered: Jan 2007
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posted November 25, 2007 01:04 PM
Well, is not like it is SOOOOO important, those people have been friends for a long time and we have had many hours together, but all of the sudden we are growing in different directions.
Not only that but it gives me a bigger insight in their lives and comes closely related not only to my work (the one that provides me with that good old money) but also my work on the side which is to understand people.
Is just like me sitting the other there at a bar with a bunch of people I already knew I had no common issues with.But I still did it and I would do it any other time, I don't want to "miss" something I could learn from the experience.And I don't want to become exclusive, I think part of creating a betterr world comes with people coming together and accepting who we are.
I don't have any issues with anyone's beleifs as long as they know who theya re and why theya re sayng what they are saying, but when I sit with a bunch of people that drift through life and not think I become a bit worry about the consequesnces of the same.
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NAM
Knowflake Posts: 1677
From: Sunny place.
Registered: Jan 2007
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posted November 25, 2007 01:05 PM
In other words "reaching out" is very important.IP: Logged |
Solane Star
Knowflake Posts: 4598
From: Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted November 25, 2007 01:15 PM
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I think part of creating a betterr world comes with people coming together and accepting who we are.
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closed minded people that do not like to think spend hours and hours talking about nothing I am forcing them to think and give me asnwers and you can see for yourself their mentality.
-------------------------------------------- I don't know Nam, this just doesn't sound like really getting to know one another??? Do they all know the way you think and talk about them, your statements above???
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Solane Star
Knowflake Posts: 4598
From: Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted November 25, 2007 01:20 PM
O.K Nam, now what if we all just get quiet and think about those apples and just maybe we'll get those answers we're so looking for!!!A time to be silent!!! IP: Logged |
Solane Star
Knowflake Posts: 4598
From: Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted November 25, 2007 01:21 PM
Balance!!!!IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted November 25, 2007 01:33 PM
NAM, Some people are scared opening their mouth because their heart is not aligned with their lips. Then there are those for whom lying becomes a constant habit , they practice the art of synching their lips and heart when lying or boasting. But these people can't continue forever, we are programmed by God to not continuously lie. Even our breathing will be different when we lie ...hehehe..That is the basis of lie detectors. Writing is bad in the sense the body language of the speaker is not conveyed to the listener. Your body language is an important facet of communication.
I also feel its easy to write for some people because , they can hide their identity and talk anything that they want if they are honest about their thoughts.
For instance you were quiet honest in that you said you wanted to reach out to people. There are some here though who write because they set ideals for themselves, they are not real in the outer world. They think they recompense for their sins in their private life by acting so. Then there are those who write so that they can learn and follow. And hopefully radiate the fragrance of their truth to others. True freedom is where every one must be allowed to share what they think respectfully. No religious dogmas must be applied to people. I still find it funny when people label others as wolves, dark, imperfect etc.
I will share with you all the ultimate communication. Perhaps later , need to go.
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NAM
Knowflake Posts: 1677
From: Sunny place.
Registered: Jan 2007
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posted November 25, 2007 01:33 PM
Interesting...yes, they do know I "think" of them this way, some have also told me they do this because they like to escape reality(so they spend hours sitting at work taking about nothing). Do they know I was just talking about them in this thread? no...
I actualy feel bad about this, kind of like gossiping, I don't like gossiping, but in order to understand my thoughts about the subject "what if we all would just get quiet" then I have to analize my surroundings and understand why i am thinking this way.part of that is because I hang out with the people I hang out..."the world", not just a certain group. Balance? yes, one of my favorite words.
Also, understand this "being quiet" have just translated into "talking about nothing" which is not how I started this thread
Big difference, same result.
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BlueRoamer
Knowflake Posts: 3331
From: Calm Blue Ocean, Calm Blue Ocean
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted November 25, 2007 03:01 PM
Some people would be better of being quiet and not sharing.....Others deprive the world great beauty by shutting themselves away... Both detract from the common good, which is worse? Is it worse to be harmed by a misguided person, or is it worse to be deprived beauty and good? IP: Logged |
NAM
Knowflake Posts: 1677
From: Sunny place.
Registered: Jan 2007
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posted November 25, 2007 03:06 PM
Or is it worse to not open up yourself,compare yourself to other experiences and learn to grow before you waste another lifetime?IP: Logged |
Nephthys
Moderator Posts: 3326
From: California
Registered: Oct 2001
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posted November 25, 2007 03:34 PM
"Few men are willing to brave the disapproval of their fellows, the censure of their colleagues, the wrath of their society. Moral courage is a rarer commodity than bravery in battle or great intelligence. Yet it is the one essential, vital quality for those who seek to change a world which yields most painfully to change."
~ Robert F. Kennedy, 1966 speech
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