posted December 08, 2007 11:13 PM         

You must be mistaken. I seriously doubt your mother suffers from an equivalent to Adolf Hitler's philosophical condition.
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"All in all, this whole period of winter 1919-20 was a single struggle to strengthen confidence in the victorious might of the young movement and raise it to that fanaticism of faith which can move mountains."

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 1 Chapter 12

"By helping to lift the human being above the level of mere animal existence, Faith really contributes to consolidate and safeguard its own existence. Taking humanity as it exists to-day and taking into consideration the fact that the religious beliefs which it generally holds and which have been consolidated through our education, so that they serve as moral standards in practical life, if we should now abolish religious teaching and not replace it by anything of equal value the result would be that the foundations of human existence would be seriously shaken."

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 2 Chapter 1

"This human world of ours would be inconceivable without the practical existence of a religious belief. The great masses of a nation are not composed of philosophers. For the masses of the people, especially faith is absolutely the only basis of a moral outlook on life. The various substitutes that have been offered have not shown any results that might warrant us in thinking that they might usefully replace the existing denominations. ...There may be a few hundreds of thousands of superior men who can live wisely and intelligently without depending on the general standards that prevail in everyday life, but the millions of others cannot do so."

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 10

"Faith is harder to shake than knowledge, love succumbs less to change than respect, hate is more enduring than aversion, and the impetus to the mightiest upheavals on this earth has at all times consisted less in a scientific knowledge dominating the masses than in a fanaticism which inspired them and sometimes in a hysteria which drove them forward."

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 1 Chapter 12
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posted December 08, 2007 11:53 PM         

So was christianity hype just a cover up to justify his means?

posted December 09, 2007 01:40 AM         

As for my take on this adage:

I find intriguing that only sight and hearing are the only senses mentioned along with the act of speaking. Surely, this pattern could be extended with several variations: "Do no evil", "Feel no evil", "Taste no evil", "Smell no evil", etc (the last two sound a bit funny ). Why such a focus on these three verbs (seeing, hearing and speaking)?

posted December 09, 2007 06:29 PM         

Just as there is disagreement about the origin of the phrase, there are differing explanations of the meaning of "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil."

posted December 14, 2007 10:56 AM         

Remember how the theosopian society tried to get the soul of Maitreya and possess J K Krishnamurthy for the benefit of the world during those critical years of world war ,etc. And all those drama where JK lost his young brother and was no longer capable to host one because of his emotional state.

I was thinking perhaps same with hitler.
He was using a common technique called brain washing. You say the lie many times and people believe it as true. Perhaps the guy who wrote Mein Kemph is different than hitler. Perhaps.

Anyway. I don't know much.
Does it ring any bell? Or is it just my imagination.

Or perhaps everything is natural and necessary for evolution. Most jews are firmly engrained in matter, isn't it? And they always want proofs. Remember how Jesus always used to show them unbelievable things and they used to marvel ?

posted December 14, 2007 02:25 PM         

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But I'm not even convinced he was an anti-semite.

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posted December 14, 2007 03:10 PM         

From what I've gathered, the Zionists (not to be confused with "the Jews") did wage an international boycott on German-produced goods, which threatened to starve the German people. England was on the verge of collapse, and about to accept the generous terms offered by the German government, to "return to the way things were before the war", when the Zionists approached members of Parliament and promised them the support of America, if they stayed in the war. Overnight, the newspapers in America began to badmouth the German people, whereas, before this they had been copacetic. Stories were published about German nurses killing babies, etc. The boycott was put into effect and, if a stocking was found in a clothing store with a tag that said "Made in Germany", the store was boycotted, and often vandalized. Germany's export industry took a nose dive, and, if the situation continued, they faced national food shortages. This is basically where it began. Jewish shops in Germany began to be labelled, as a political measure, and they were boycotted in Germany, not for racial reasons, but, because the Zionists had declared an economic war on Germany, and boycottinhg Jewish shops was just about the only countermeasure left to the German people. It advanced from there by degrees, until Hitler took advantage of the situation to promote his own ends. Germany didnt decide overnight to become racist. Prior to this, when the Jews were forced to leave Russia in droves, it was the German people who took them in and gave them citizenship. The Holocaust would not have come about if not for the concerted efforts on the part of the Zionists (whose ultimate end was, and still is, to return the Jews to the holy land, so that the messiah can come, etc., etc.). If they had not declared economic war on Germany in the first place, only to achieve their personal religious objectives, Hitler would have had nothing to work with. At least, this is the information that I've managed to gather. It could be bullsh!t.

posted December 14, 2007 03:12 PM         

Ex-Zionist Benjamin Freedman speaks at the Willard Hotel, Washington D.C., in 1961
He left the Zionist movement, changed his name from the Jewish spelling (Friedman), and exposed some of the diabolical plots that helped set the stage for the wars in Europe and the Mideast.

He does not give the complete story, but when we make the same accusations, we are referred to as "anti-Semites", so let people hear it from a Jew, and then they will be more receptive to what we say.

40 minute excerpt
If you don't want the entire speech, here is the most important 40 minute section compressed to only 5.5 megabytes:
40 minute excerpt of Freedman speech, 5.5 mb

The complete 1 hour 27 minute speech
There are some low quality sections in the complete speech, mainly the last 40 minutes. The speech is in 3 files to make it easier to download. These files are larger than the 40 minute excerpt because they have slightly higher audio quality:
Part 1, Freedman speech, 6.6 mb
Part 2, Freedman speech, 6.3 mb
Part 3, Freedman speech, 7.9 mb

Short segments of his speech
Click here for a page that has his speech broken into small segments. This makes it easier for people with modems, or if you want to email sections of the speech to police departments, military officials, friends, and school teachers, or if you want excerpts for your web page.

If you have torrent software, the best quality and the complete speech is a 36 mb mp3 file (new link): http://torrentspy.com/torrent/514089/

Also, let people know about the rabbis who oppose Zionism and Israel:
Video-PhilosophyOfZionismAndIsrael.html#Rabbis

Samuel Untermyer

Freedman refers to Samuel Untermyer's speech, which was printed in the New York Times in 1933 to create anger towards Germany. This is part of an important historical event that few people are aware of. Please look into "Judea declares war on Germany":
Sam_Untermyer.html
Have you heard of the book "Germany Must Perish!", written by Theodore N. Kaufman in 1941:
GermanyMustPerish.htm

Myron Fagan

As with Freedman, Fagan was a Jew who decided to expose the criminals in the Jewish community:
DarylBradfordSmith_Fagan.html

Documents by Ben Freedman:

• US Presidents, Jewish Pawns
• The Truth about Khazars
• His speech in 1974
Please pass this page to your friends, or burn these speeches and documents to a CD ROM and pass it around.

A transcript of Freedman's 1961 speech, and more information, is available at: www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm

posted December 14, 2007 04:35 PM         

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in Tantra i have learnt that Siva or godmind is neutral, the very fact that evil exists proves that.
becoz nothing exists that did not emanate from God - Mind
what we perceive evil or bad is the other side of the coin.

in reality god is non- dual and hence evil is but an illusion of separation from good

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We share similar thoughts.

Thanks venusdeindia.

posted December 14, 2007 06:39 PM         

The truth about what any Jews or Zionists may have ever done can't excuse Hitler's killing of all those people. One could rationalize that he had a right to feel betrayed or paranoid or repressed perhaps, but the rationalization for those feelings doesn't excuse his retaliation on Jews.

posted December 14, 2007 08:08 PM         

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The truth about what any Jews or Zionists may have ever done can't excuse Hitler's killing of all those people. One could rationalize that he had a right to feel betrayed or paranoid or repressed perhaps, but the rationalization for those feelings doesn't excuse his retaliation on Jews

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Duh. I never said it did. Nothing can begin to excuse the Holocaust. That should go without saying (and I assumed it did). I figured you were sensible enough to hear something this contraversial and not give a knee-jerk reaction. Instead, you just put me in the position of appearing to justify Hitler's genocidal antics. Thanks for that, lol. To clarify, I'm just trying to explain (not excuse) how the climate became ripe for someone like Hitler to inject his particular brand of insanity into the mainstream. Your argument, that we may be better off, is a peculiar one, and a stretch. I wonder if the unborn descendants of some 6-9 million jews would agree with you?

posted December 14, 2007 09:18 PM         

I started with disagreeing with your statement, which I quoted. You posted about Zionists, which, for me, doesn't address why you posted that you're not convinced he was an anti-semite. I learn now that you also didn't intend it as a rationalization despite the talk of Jews exposing the crimes of the Jews. How else would one interpret that? Let me put it this way: you made Hitler correct in the way he thought about Jews by pointing out that Jews or Zionists were waging war on Germany. What you posted could also be seen as justifying Hitler's paranoia towards the Jews.

posted December 14, 2007 09:56 PM         

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If it's obvious that the Holocaust was reprehensible, then why wouldn't you/one be convinced of Hitler's hatred of Jews? That's a linear train of thought/logic, and that's really all that I've had to state.

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posted December 14, 2007 10:07 PM         

HSC!!!!

posted December 15, 2007 01:38 AM         

It advanced from there by degrees, until Hitler took advantage of the situation to promote his own ends. Germany didn't decide overnight to become racist. Prior to this, when the Jews were forced to leave Russia in droves, it was the German people who took them in and gave them citizenship. The Holocaust would not have come about if not for the concerted efforts on the part of the Zionists (whose ultimate end was, and still is, to return the Jews to the holy land, so that the messiah can come, etc., etc.). If they had not declared economic war on Germany in the first place, only to achieve their personal religious objectives, Hitler would have had nothing to work with.

AG said:

The truth about what any Jews or Zionists may have ever done can't excuse Hitler's killing of all those people.

HSC (and my mental dialog) said:

Duh.

AG said:

If it's obvious that the Holocaust was reprehensible, then why wouldn't you/one be convinced of Hitler's hatred of Jews?

(my internal dialog refers you back to the bolded sections in quote one)

AG also said:

address why you posted that you're not convinced he was an anti-semite

(OH, did he say that? my mental dialog asked. Yes, yes, duh, I think I do remember that further up... OK, NOW I see the train of thought AG is on...)

HSC said:

All this is political, not ideological.

and HSC's final comment:

you have only to conceive of the likes of Adolph Hitler, a man with so much self-interest and free-floating hatred, that he could set in motion the genocide of an entire race of people without actually having any "personal" grievance against them.

Politicians
can't live with 'um
can't assassinate 'um

"By mid-1943 the tide of war was turning decisively against Germany. The Army plotters and their civilian allies became convinced that Hitler must be assassinated so that a government acceptable to the western Allies could be formed and a separate peace negotiated in time to prevent a Soviet invasion of Germany and to avoid as much bloodshed as possible."

"The July 20 Plot of 1944 was a failed attempt to assassinate German dictator Adolf Hitler, the leader of Nazi Germany, and to subsequently take power by means of an altered Operation Walküre plan which was supposed to subdue possible unrest. The key role was played by Wehrmacht Heer officer Claus von Stauffenberg who was in charge of the German Reserve Army's Walküre, a role which allowed him access to Hitler for reports.

July 20 was the culmination of the efforts of the German Resistance to overthrow the Nazi regime. Its failure, both in the Wolfschanze and then in Berlin's Bendlerblock, led to the arrest of more than 5,000 people, to the execution of about 200 people and the destruction of the resistance movement." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_20_Plot

That was an EXCELLENT conversation you two. Well done!! Impressive.

posted December 15, 2007 01:48 AM         

It means...

Always look on the briiiight side of life
*whistles*

(S, I can hear you groaning and I know your mind is singing the next line... hehe)

It means "God is good" and "everything happens for a reason" and "it's all in how you look at it" and all that good trite stuff that expresses the same thing.

It means you can look at the antichrist and just see a lost little boy who needs a hug.

posted December 15, 2007 02:47 AM         

I didn't see MM's post before posting this. I'll say that I'm glad someone understands what I'm saying.