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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted March 26, 2008 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
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ListensToTrees
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posted March 26, 2008 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
There are pros and cons with using them.

As long as people are aware of the dangers, I feel it is their choice.

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augentier
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posted March 27, 2008 08:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for augentier     Edit/Delete Message
1 g shrooms will help you out immensely

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Lei_Kuei
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posted March 27, 2008 09:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lei_Kuei     Edit/Delete Message
So so tempting...

I'm a "have a go" kinda guy and Id really like to try some psychedelics atleast once

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MysticMelody
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posted March 28, 2008 02:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message
Never Hunger
Never Prosper
I Have Fallen Prey to Failure
Struggle Within
Triggered Again
Now the Candle Burns at Both Ends

Twisting under Schizophrenia
Falling Deep into Dementia

Old Habits Reappear
Fighting the Fear of Fear
Growing Conspiracy
Everyone's after Me
Frayed Ends of Sanity
Hear Them Calling
Hear Them Calling Me

Birth of Terror
Death of Much More
I'm the Slave of Fear, my Captor
Never Warnings
Spreading its Wings
As I Wait for the Horror She Brings
Loss of Interest, question, wonder
Waves of Fear They Pull Me under

Old Habits Reappear
Fighting the Fear of Fear
Growing Conspiracy
Everyone's after Me
Frayed Ends of Sanity
Hear Them Calling
Hear Them Calling Me

Into Ruin
I Am Sinking
Hostage of this Nameless Feeling
Hell Is Set Free
Flooded I'll Be
Feel the Undertow Inside Me

Height, hell, time, haste, terror, tension
Life, death, want, waste, mass Depression

Old Habits Reappear
Fighting the Fear of Fear
Growing Conspiracy
Myself is after Me
Frayed Ends of Sanity
Hear Them Calling
Frayed Ends of Sanity
Hear Them Calling
Hear Them Calling Me

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted March 28, 2008 12:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Spiritual authorities from the oldest indigeonous cultures in the world agree that mushrooms, peyote, ayahuasca, and other natural entheogens are powerful medicines for the soul. Some even say that they are gods who have chosen to reincarnate as plants, for the sake of mankind. Some insist that these plant entities are responsible for many of the most sacred scriptures of the world, for much of our knowledge of art, science, and natural medicine, and even for the birth of civilization itself. There are no reported fatalities that I am aware of. This is not the case with many widely accepted substances, like alcohol, tobacco and coffee. Perhaps the real question is, what are you so afraid of?


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TINK
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posted March 28, 2008 03:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TINK     Edit/Delete Message
I'm not afraid. I won't bore you with my personal history, but suffice it to say I'm far from afraid.

You will be ever hearing, but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing, but never perceiving.
This people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes

Isaiah


"oldest indigeonous cultures"

That's the problem right there. The oldest cultures did not use mind-altering drugs because their spiritual centers were already naturally open. Peyote and the like came into use when these spiritual centers began to close and the desperate desire to hold onto the old sight compelled their use. Even then, these spiritual excursions were strictly controlled and used only under the guidance of an elder and after the initiate had been fully prepared. You can claim neither. Drugs may allow you a brief glimpse into a another state, but can not grant you a higher station. At best it will confuse you and prevent real progress. I trust you are not a candidate for the low road, HSC. You'll need to earn spiritual insight the hard way. I think you know this.

The Blessed One's Noble Eightfold Path is trustworthy and true.

mens sana in corpore sano

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted March 28, 2008 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message

“Believe nothing,
no matter where you read it
or who has said it,
not even if I have said it,
unless it agrees with your own reason
and your own common sense.”
~ Buddha

I'll have to respectfully disagree with you for now, TINK.

love to you, as always,
HSC

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MysticMelody
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posted March 28, 2008 07:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message
I don't disagree that mind altering substances open the mind. I simply believe that people cannot practice the required moderation and reverence while under the grips of addiction. I also believe getting lost in addiction is too common and serious to overlook or downplay.

I felt my insight into this subject was very important on this topic. The song immediately came to mind after reading the previous post, and then later I heard it the same evening while sitting near the airport and staring at the lights.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiG4M3g0tvk

Metallica

... And Justice For All


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Heart--Shaped Cross
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zanya
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posted March 28, 2008 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for zanya     Edit/Delete Message
what the doormouse said

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted March 28, 2008 07:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3322792936125080165&q=entheogens&total=326&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2

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TINK
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posted March 28, 2008 07:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TINK     Edit/Delete Message
The Buddha's old advice is good. True progress is earned. It can't be shared or stolen.

Why are you so drawn to psychedelics?

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zanya
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posted March 28, 2008 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for zanya     Edit/Delete Message
Grace Slick, Nixon and the FBI

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted March 28, 2008 08:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
I'm not sure I believe in progress, or earnings, TINK.

Why am I drawn to psychedelics?
Because they make me feel like God,
and they make me feel like there is a God,
and like I am connected to Her.

I'm just not about to start meditating
and living a monkish existence.

Thats not who I am.

Maybe I'm not ready for that,
or maybe its more complicated than that.

But I'm going at my own pace, on my own path.

I dont automatically take a cautious,
conservative view of these things.

I like the pagan gods, like Bacchus and Shiva,
who dance and drink and smoke and trip,
and contain elements of mischief.

I am a poet and a wanderer,
a reveler and a revealer.

I like to blaze, I like to ****,
and I'm always down to take a trip.

There are worse sins, and worse things to be.

Live and let trip.

"My grind aint your grind, dawg."
~ Mos Def

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posted March 28, 2008 08:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TINK     Edit/Delete Message
Now that's more like it!

I'm not sure I believe in progress, or earnings, TINK.

Of course you don't. That's clear. You're afraid. Can't say as I blame you.

Buddhism not your cup of tea after all, eh?

Shiva is my most favored Hindu personification and a monkish existence is not my path either.

And, yes, there's always something worse. Always.

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posted March 28, 2008 08:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
TINK,


"Of course you don't. That's clear. You're afraid. Can't say as I blame you."

You talk about fear.
You sound so self-righteous.
But your assumption is off.
I'm not afraid; I'm lazy and depressed.
There's a difference.

But all your objections to entheogens sound fear-based to me.

"And, yes, there's always something worse. Always."

MWWUUAAHHHHHH!!!!

You sound like you want to scare me into Buddhism.

Good luck with that.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted March 28, 2008 08:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
"Buddhism not your cup of tea after all, eh?"

I drink from many cups.

I find my own truth.


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TINK
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posted March 28, 2008 08:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TINK     Edit/Delete Message
That is incorrect. HSC, I've absolutely no idea which Path you will eventually choose and most certainly no idea which Path resonates best with your Spirit.

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TINK
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posted March 28, 2008 08:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TINK     Edit/Delete Message
I agree. You are lazy and depressed. (and afraid too)

That you, with your intelligence, honestly believe peyote will help you with these issues just amuses the hell out of me.

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