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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted May 07, 2008 03:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message
"And I want to thank all the women that support me.
I have wonderful support systems from women of all types
who seem dedicated to the notion that Terence McKenna can always be improved.
[crowd laughs] I'm extremely grateful for that. [crowd laughs]
The frontiers are enormous in that dimension. [crowd titters]"

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Gp5IlodrPj4&feature=related

"What I think a Psychedelic Society -- what that notion means, or implies, to me, in terms of ideology, is the idea of creating a society which always lives in the light of the mystery of being. In other words, that solutions should be displaced from the central role that they have had in social organizations, and mysteries, irreducible mysteries, should be put in their place."

"The British ensymologist, J.B.S. Haldane, in the 1920's, in an essay, said, 'The universe may not only be stranger than we suppose. It may be stranger than we can suppose.' And I suggest to you that, as we look back over human history, every pinnacle of civilization, whether it be Mayan, or Greco Roman, or the Sung Dynasty, has believed that it was in possession of an accurate description of the cosmos, adn of man's relationship to it. This seems to go along with the full flowering of a civilization. But from the point of view of our present civilization, we regard all those conceptions as, at worst, quaint, at best, half-right, and congratulate ourselves that our civilization, at last, has its finger on the real description of what is going on. But I think that this is actually not true, and that what blinds us, or what makes historical progress very difficult, is our lack of awareness of our ignorance, and that beliefs should be put aside, and that a Psychedelic Society would abandon belief systems for direct experience. And this is, I think, much of the problem of the modern dilemma is that direct experience has been discounted, and in its place, all kinds of belief systems have been erected. I would prefer a kind of intellectual anarchy where whatever was pragmatically applicable was brought to bear on any situation, but where belief was understood as a self-limiting function. Because, you see, if you believe something, you're automatically precluded from believing its opposite, which means that a degree of your human freedom has been forfeited in the act of commiting yourself to this belief. And I maintain that its pointless to have beliefs because, in a sense, the universe really is stranger than we suppose, adn what we need is a return to what, in the 16th century is called 'Baconian Method'. Which means, not the elaboration of fantastic thought-constructs which explain, but, merely, a phenomenological cataloging of experience. .. We are hindered by ideology."

"Experience must be made primary. The language of the self must be made primary. And anarchy carries this responsibility, even when its only political anarchy. What I'm advocating is that we each take responsibility for the cultural transformation by realizing that it is not someting which will be disseminated from the top down. It is something which each of us can contribute to by attempting to live as far into the future as possible. You know, we must get rid of the conceptions of the 40's, the 50's, the 60's, the 70's, the 80's, the 90's. We must smear ttttthe historical moment and become exemplars of the humanity of the endtime.... I believe that liberation, or, lets even say, decency, as a human quality, is a natural resonance and anticipation of this future perfected state of humanity... What does it mean in operational terms to live into the future as far as possible? It means taking a position vis-a-vis this emergent hyperdimensional reality. It does not necessarily mean becoming a pychedelic drug user yourself, but it means admitting to yourself the possiblity. And if you feel the heroic potential within yourself to be one of the experiencers, one of the pioneers, then you know what to do. If, on the other hand, you fear to be lost in the abyss, -- you fear what William Blake called 'falling into eternal death', -- falling from the spiral of being that connects one incarnation to another, and falling into the realm of eternal death, then you orient yourself towards the psychedelic experience, towards the psychedelic phenomenon, as a source of information."

~ Terence McKenna

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted May 07, 2008 04:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message
"The psychedelics are a red-hot social issue, ethical issue, whatever the term for it is. And it is precisely because they are deconditioning agents. They will cast doubt in you if you're a Hasidic Rabbi, a Marxist Anthropologist, or an altar boy. Their business is to dissolve belief systems, adn they do this very well. And then they leave you with the raw datum of experience. What William James called, in talking of infants, 'a blooming, buzzing confusion'; the raw datum of experience. And that, out of that, you reconstruct the world. And you need to understand that it is a dialogue where your decisions, the projection of your grammar onto the intellectual space in front of you, is going to gel into a mode of being. We actually all create our own universe because we are all operating with our own private languages, which are only very crudely translatable into any other person's language."

~ Terence McKenna

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ListensToTrees
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posted May 07, 2008 04:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message
He's an interesting man. I like his vibe.
I might watch this later when I'm feeling more revived. I think I may be turning into a "creature of the night".

And that's without psychedelics.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted May 07, 2008 06:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted May 07, 2008 06:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message
"We have to claim anarchy. And realize that systems have a life of their own that is anti-humanist. There is definitely an anti-humanist tendency in all systems. Luwig Bertalanffy, who was the inventor of general systems theory, said, 'People are not machines, but in every situation where they are given the choice, they will behave like machines,'. We all fall into patterns. We all then hold those patterns ever more tightly, they cannot be violated. And this happens on the thought level. And we are on the cresting wave of a historical wave of this uptightness that stretches back millenium. And I think that we have now come to the end of this phase."

~ Terence McKenna

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posted July 06, 2009 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
Was this bumped for me? It seems to tie into my thread in LLC2.

    I would prefer a kind of intellectual anarchy where whatever was pragmatically applicable was brought to bear on any situation, but where belief was understood as a self-limiting function. Because, you see, if you believe something, you're automatically precluded from believing its opposite, which means that a degree of your human freedom has been forfeited in the act of committing yourself to this belief.

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hey you guys, seen my thread on the mother city ? introduces a whole new paradigm into what people HAVE BEEN capable of in the past anyway,.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/003827.html

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