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posted July 03, 2008 11:01 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
by Wynn Free

Those who channel the entity known as Ra report that he has been involved in the affairs of our planet for the past 75,000 years. At certain points in our history, Ra claims to have manifested a physical body. Today, Ra says, he exists on a level of pure vibration. He communicates with the group consciousness through dreams, and with individuals through channeling.

The information in this article, in which Ra describes our evolution and coming planetary ascension, is paraphrased or quoted from channeled writings of a group who refer to themselves as L/L Research (please see Sources of Information on Ra).

The Origin of Ra
Long before the inception of life on this planet, Ray says, there were Third Density life forms on Venus similar to our human forms on Earth.

Through evolution, these life forms ''ascended'' beyond the Third Density and ultimately fused together into a unified complex which is the entity we now refer to as Ra. Ra identifies himself as a ''social memory complex.''

According to Ra, there are eight densities that all life must pass through, and in his present form, Ra exists on the Sixth Density.

The Earth, Ra claims, is presently at the end of a 75,000-year cycle where many humans will graduate from the Third Density to the Fourth Density by the process known as ''ascension.''

Ra's Involvement in the History of Earth
75,000 years ago

At that time, there were Third Density beings on Mars. Mars became uninhabitable due to war, and it was Ra who helped the Martian souls to transmigrate and reincarnate on Earth. He says that these were the first humans on our planet. Even today, according to Ra, 50 percent of the present population of Earth is of Martian descent, which explains our propensity for warlike activity.

58,000 years ago

Ra gave help to the civilization known as Mu.

11,000 years ago

Ra describes how the Great Pyramid was built:

When one can speak to that intelligence [the intelligence within rock], the finite physical energy of the physical rock body is put into contact with the infinite energy which is resident in the more well-tuned higher bodies. With this connection made, a request may be given. The intelligence of infinite rock-ness communicates to its physical vehicle or body, and that splitting or moving which is desired is then carried out.[1]


The purpose of the pyramids, Ra says, was healing and initiation:

The chamber worked on the mind and body. The mind was affected by sensory deprivation and the reactions to being buried alive with no chance of extricating the self. The body was affected by both the configuration of the mind and by the electrical properties of the materials used.


7500 years ago

Ra took a physical body in South America. This was his last physical appearance on Earth.

To the present

Ra continues to be involved with humans in dream work and through channeling.

The Origin of the Universe
Ra:

The first known thing in creation is infinity. Then infinity becomes aware. ... As the Creator decides to experience Itself, It manifests what we would perceive as outer space. As the Creator continues to experience Itself, It manifests free will and Love. ...

The action of free will upon Love creates manyness. Manyness first starts out as an outpouring of randomized creative force, which then creates patterns. The patterns of energy begin to regularize their own rhythms and fields, thus creating dimensions and universes. The galaxy, and all other material things, are the products of individualized portions of intelligent infinity. Each individualized portion of the One would become a Co-Creator and creates a universe.

Each universe would evolve with its own set of natural laws. Any portion of any universe, no matter how small, contains, as in a holographic picture, the one Creator which is infinity. Thus, all begins and ends in mystery.


The Eight Densities
Ra says that all life must evolve through eight densities.

It was you and I, he says, who created this Universe. Those are our stars we dream on. We are the very same Infinite Intelligence that started it all way back when, and we are on a return path back to that selfsame Infinity — after which, we will recycle and start all over. Alpha and Omega, it never ends, as we cycle over and over through these eight densities. And it is always the action of free will on Love that propels our energies through the densities, creating the evolutionary movement.

Here's a brief review of what Ra claims are the stages of this multibillion-year cycle:

1. First Density — The four alchemical elements of earth (minerals), air (wind), fire, and water. The fire and wind act on the minerals and water, propelling evolution to consciousness and the Second Density.


2. Second Density — The beginning of animals and plants. This stage of evolution on earth took 4.6 billion years.


3. Third Density — Humankind's current stage. This is the density of self-awareness and self-consciousness. The two fundamental necessities are rational thinking and intuitive thinking. Through applying both those qualities, we're supposed to figure out that we're part of each other, which leads to the experience of Love.

Interestingly enough, the purpose of having a physical body that grows weak with age, according to Ra, was to move us toward compassion and caring, as we watch each other's bodies deteriorating. Once we learn this quality of Love, we then move on to the higher densities, where our incarnations are considerably longer.

The cycle for all incarnations in the Third Density, Ra says, is 75,000 years.


4. Fourth Density — Perceiving others as part of the Self. Here is a plane of compassion, where we achieve the ability to understand the sorrows of the Third Density. Individual differences are still pronounced, but harmony is created through group consensus, because people know what others are thinking.

As the Fourth Dimension evolves, the group of mind/body/spirit complexes (i.e. people) become able to form a ''social memory complex,'' where all experiences of each entity are available to the whole.

The typical time for one incarnation in the Fourth Density is 90,000 years, and the entire cycle of experience for all incarnations in this density takes 30 million Earth years.


5. Fifth Density — Wisdom and instant manifestation. The lessons of compassion learned in the Fourth Density have led to wisdom in the Fifth. Fifth Density entities may dissolve one manifestation and create another at will.


6. Sixth Density — The experience of the Self as Light. Ra is a Sixth Density entity.

This cycle of experience is 2.5 million years.


7. Seventh Density — Culmination. The Seventh Density is the completed being, ''the Creator who knows Itself and compacts into the One Creation once again, as it readies to enter the Eighth Density."


8. Eighth Density — Return to infinity. According to Ra, there is a mystery here, which cannot be put into words. Just as in the musical scale, the Eighth Density is also the First Density of the next octave.

Since each entity has free will, the time lines given above are flexible. No entities can be forced to move up the density ladder until they are ready and have chosen to do so.

Higher-density entities, on the Sixth level and beyond, can serve as the Higher Selves for lower-dimensional entities. Sometimes we refer to them as Spirit Guides.

There is an incomprehensible majesty to the whole scenario. Here we are in the Third Density, with bodies made up of First and Second Density materials from our ancient past, with a High Self that represents the future self — what we will grow into.[2]

Wanderers

A Wanderer is an entity who has made the conscious decision to reincarnate into the Third Density of Earth from a higher density, in order to assist in the raising of consciousness on the Earth plane. Ra says that there are 65 million Wanderers currently on Earth.

When the choice is made to be a Wanderer on Earth, the entity knows that it will forget its original origin once it incarnates and subjects itself to the dangers of getting trapped here.

The challenge and danger to the Wanderer is that it will become karmically involved and thus be swept into the maelstrom and turbulence which it intended to avert.


If Wanderers can penetrate their ''forgetting,'' they have the ability to greatly accelerate consciousness on this plane. Unawakened Wanderers tend to have feelings of alienation because of the chasm between the density of their origins and the density on the planet. They often exhibit allergies.

We can speculate that many readers of this article may fall into the category of Wanderers, as might people who suffer from such New Age maladies as Epstein Barr's and chronic fatigue — people who have a difficult time reconciling their higher-density existence with the Third Density.

The Law of One

There is no right or wrong. There is no polarity. According to Ra:

The belief in polarity is chosen instead of understanding the complete unity of thought that binds all things together. You are everything — every being, every emotion, and every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are Love, Light. You are. The Law of One says all things are one Creator. Thus, seeking the Creator is done not just in meditation and in the work of the adept, but in the experience of every moment. In each infinitesimal part of yourself resides the One in all its power.


Space/Time v. Time/Space

Ra makes an interesting differentiation between space/time and time/space.

Space/time, he says, describes our waking experience of third dimensional life, whereas time/space describes how we experience ourselves in between lives. So the process of incarnation involves a transition from time/space to space/time.

In space/time, we have control over space, in that we can move our bodies freely from one place to another. But in space/time we experience time as a relative, linear phenomenon over which we have no control.

In time/space, Ra says, ''each entity is located in a somewhat immobile state in space'' and has the experience of all lifetimes as if they were occurring at the same time:

In space/time, it is not possible to determine the course of events beyond the incarnation, but only to correct present imbalances. In time/space, on the other hand, it is not possible to correct any imbalanced actions but rather to perceive the imbalances and thusly forgive the self for that which is.

The advantage of time/space is the fluidity of the overview. The advantage of space/time is that, working in darkness, with just a tiny candle, one may correct the imbalances.


Eventually, after many lifetimes, an entity in space/time will gain a conscious awareness of its existence in time/space, and then may play a more active, participatory role in its evolution.

Intuition, inspiration, psychic ability, and tantric sex, according to Ra, all serve to bridge the chasm between space/time and time/space. But there is no fixed dividing line. In space/time there are people with extraordinary psychic abilities who can tap into the time/space world and communicate with beings on the other side. And beings in time/space can manifest in space/time as what we call ''ghosts.''

Time/space is no more homogeneous than space/time. It is as complex and complete a system of illusions, dances, and patterns as is space/time, and has as structured a system of what you would call Natural Laws. Every planet with Third Density entities has a corresponding time/space.


The Veil of Forgetfulness

Why can't we remember our previous lives?

It is only within the Third Density evolutionary process that the Veil of Forgetfulness exists.

If there were no potential for misunderstanding, there would be no experience. It is necessary for the Third Density entity to forget where it comes from so that the mechanism of confusion or free will may operate upon the newly individuated consciousness complex.


So, apparently, the need to make choices without conscious understanding of all the ramifications is a necessary evolutionary step in the growth of an entity. In other words, we need to learn ''faith.'' If there were no Veil of Forgetfulness, then one would always understand the ramifications of one's choices, and Life would be entirely predictable. In a predictable system, free will cannot exist.


The Coming Ascension

According to Ra, our planet is coming to the end of its 75,000-year Third Density cycle. The year 2011 is when that cycle is projected to end.

Since not everyone on the planet is ready to move into the Fourth Density, however (when Ra moved into the Fourth Density, only 20 percent of the Venusian population was ready), the remaining Third Density entities reincarnate on a different Third Density planet.

Ra says that to be eligible for graduation (or ''harvesting'') into the Fourth Density, we must have a 51 percent orientation towards service to others. We do not have to understand the Law of One or have esoteric, metaphysical knowledge in order to ascend.

Part of this ascension process, Ra says, will involve the temporary end of all life forms on planet Earth while the planet is readied for its new Fourth-Dimensional inhabitants.

At this time, entities who need additional Third-Dimensional experience will find themselves on a different planet, where they may unfold their karma. And those who ''graduate'' will reincarnate on the New Earth.


Closing Thoughts
Of course, we do not present Ra's commentary as fact. There is no way of knowing whether all this is true, or whether the prophesied coming shift will actually happen. But whether we take imminent ascension as truth or myth, the death of our physical bodies is inevitable for all of us, sooner or later. And, practically speaking, whether or not Ra's description of the coming ascension actually happens or not, if we were to do those things that would ensure our best positioning for such an event, that would certainly increase the quality of our lives and life on this planet.

So what seems important is not to anticipate the future with fear, but rather to live each moment with an awareness of being part of everything.

Here are some closing thoughts from Ra to help us do that:

A Third Density entity can accelerate its growth much more while alive in a physical body than in between incarnations. If an entity chooses to accept responsibility for each moment of experience, then this empowers its progress.

Live from the heart, not from technique. We are all one. The fundamental teachings of all planes of existence are Unity, Love, Light, and Joy. The second-ranking lessons are in meditation and service. Contemplate the following:

1. Each moment contains love.


2. The Universe is one Being. When you view another, see the Creator.


3. Gaze within a mirror. See the Creator.


4. Gaze at the Creation which lies about the mind/body/spirit of each entity. See the Creator.


5. The best way of service to others is to open the Self to others without hesitation and radiate that which is the essence, or the heart.


6. Become aware of the other as being the same as yourself.


7. Accept all experiences, distilling from them the Light/Love within them. That which is not needed falls away.


8. The offering of Self to the Creator is the greatest service.

http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/sep2/ra.htm

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posted July 03, 2008 02:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thirteen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some of this stuff is bull. Sorry had to get that out.

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I appreciate we each have our own viewpoints, but I don't think anyone here can prove these things to be true or false......I know a lot of it seems pretty "far out".....but I guess I just have a very open mind in this vast and infinite universe.

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posted July 04, 2008 07:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charmainec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, no one can prove it true or false.

Thirteen - please respect other peoples view points even if they don't match your own. I too don't agree with everything but did find it interesting to read.

Thank you for sharing that LTT

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I don't mind.

Glad you found it interesting to read, charmainec.

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posted July 05, 2008 07:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jupitersgirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted July 07, 2008 08:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for thirteen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well i think there is much truth in that article however i see much fear mongering and that makes me want to scream out. I cannot stand the fact that my fellow man friends may be beleiving that and contributing to a negative collective energy. Thats all. I guess we all have to consider those things in order to come to our own truth. Prove it false , no can't do it but know it's false, yes i know it's false.

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posted July 07, 2008 08:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charmainec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's a 'matter' of opinion.

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posted July 07, 2008 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for thirteen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
trust me, what is coming in the ascension of the planet is much more positive than what was stated in that article. I'm sending people a happy message. And it is not my opinion, I know this. I only can't prove it but i have no need or desire to prove it. If you feel this is only my opinon then fine, I accept that.

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Very interesting, LTT.


Thirteen,

All over the world, people report the experience of a profound inner knowing. No amount of evidence or argument will sway them from their conviction (a fact of which they are very proud). What is fascinating is that these people claim to know things which categorically contradict one another. You meet a Muslim who knows that Muhammed is/was the true prophet. He knows it. Then you come upon a Christian who knows that Muhammed was a false prophet and Jesus is the only true incarnation of God. He knows it. Trust him. And so on. What is remarkable is the fact that, superficial differences aside, these people frequently agree on some essential principles of ethical behavior, and that they continually betray their own ethics in their fanaticism to defend the "truth" of their religious viewpoints. In the name of unwavering positivity, you allowed yourself to be brusque and rude. Why? Because you know you are right, and have scarce patience for other points of view.

The dispute here is not with your experience, nor with the experience of the Muslim or the Christian, -- experience itself, pure experience, can never be disputed, -- but, with your interpretation of that experience. We often do not realize the assumptions we are making, and yet, with every experience, and particularly with experiences that transcend our usual mode of being, comes several assumptions regarding the interpretation of that experience. For instance, a devout Christian may be graced with a vision of the Virgin Mary so convincing that it leaves no room for doubt. Yet, on the basis of that experience, the Christian may conclude that the gods of the Hindus and the Pagans do not exist. He or she does not realize the extent to which this conviction depends, not on the experience of the vision, but, on assumptions determined by his or her own limited perspective of the spiritual universe. It has been said, "Nothing teaches, and nothing prejudices, like experience." It takes a keen eye to discern the boundaries between our actual experience, and the interpretations we immediately superimpose upon that experience.

I do not give my trust to confident people. Long reflection over short experience has nearly persuaded me that self-assurance is akin to blindness. Now, when any person speaks with an air of staunch authority I am put on my guard, that I must be doubtful for the both of us. For millenia, religious rites have involved the use of psychedelic plants, or entheogens (literally "the god within"), to awaken spiritual inspiration and potential. The dissolution of belief systems, and the renewed appreciation of ambiguity and mystery, is a primary characteristic of the psychedelic experience. Doubt, and not conviction, is the mark of this brand of insight. As one explorer termed it, "Truth may not only be stranger than we suppose. It may be stranger than we can suppose." The participant is left in a state of startling openness, and what he/she is open to is not any form of wisdom which may be put into words, or fit into a neat little system. What one becomes open to is direct experience, without the imposition of socially and karmically conditioned interpretations. Until one has been in this state it is impossible to realize just how much of our experience really is being distorted, at every moment, by conditioned interpretations.

In ancient Greece, there is a legend that the oracle at Delphi named the philosopher Socrates as the wisest man alive. When questioned on this Socrates himself said, "The only thing I know is that I know nothing." His philosophical approach was a strict inquiry into all manner of convictions, and, unerringly, his "conclusion", if it may be called that, was that the matter is doubtful at best, and deserving of further inquiry. The french novelist and philosopher Andre Gide wrote, "Believe those who seek the truth, doubt those who find it," and I am inclined at this point in my journey to agree with this advice.


Seekingly,
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posted July 08, 2008 02:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charmainec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HSC - you have basically summed up what I would have said

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posted July 08, 2008 09:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for thirteen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Let me reiterate:
I know who I am and why im on the planet.
I understand my purpose on the planet.
I understand what is happening on the planet at this time in history.
I know that the ascension is in process right now and will be complete by 2012.
I know that all the negative stuff will never happen.
Why does that bother people?
Its not like Im trying to force it on anyone?

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posted July 08, 2008 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NosiS     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thirteen's remark came from a feeling that I don't find rude enough to make me focus on it. She even added "Sorry had to get that out" because she knew that her tone might be found offensive. It's not a "matter of opinion" or of the interpretation of experiences to her. Clearly, it's a matter of faith and therein we find an article of humanity that is a reckoner of doubt.

If we but simply take a look at her statement once more:

quote:
Some of this stuff is bull.


Is there really anyone who can argue against that and, if so, why haven't you started? Would not a furthering discussion of the vitality of her statement be more fruitful than by focusing on her own judgment? I find nothing wrong with the sentence but that is because I agree with it. I can certainly find some things in this article that I find to be "bull". If I came from the perspective of the entire article being totally true, then I find that a more relevant and "love-charged" inquiry would be, "What parts of this do you find to be 'bull', thirteen?" Hence, a real discussion might flower amid the 'bull'!



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posted July 08, 2008 12:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thirteen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NosiS, thank you for interjecting with a thoughtful response. It IS all about faith and I saw that clearly as i was reading your words.
And my "knowing" comes from pure desire which anyone can generate.

The comment in that original article that got me going was reference to the fact that some aren't ready to ascend and will have to reincarnate to another planet.

I found that quite a fear mongering tactic. And i have seen that in other so-called channelled stuff. And for LTT, with young children... do you sit there and for one momemnt wonder if you and your kids are going to end up on two different planets in 2012? What a horrifiying thought.
I'm not saying LTT beleives this is true but since she posted it i have to think there is some wonder in her. I felt frustrated that someone could go there in their mind and when im frustrated i want to get attention and i yell out.

The topic here is the detail of ascension. I welcome anyone else's thoughts or knowings on that topic.

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thanks, charmainec.


I dont mean to single you out, thirteen.
I'm just voicing my own perspective here,
and I tried to do it carefully and thoroughly.

I think when someone is sharing something close to their heart,
and the first response is someone saying its "bull",
and "I had to get that out", suggesting a strong emotional aversion,
that can come across as somewhat rude and careless.
I've no doubt that was not your intention, but it is the effect.

You could certainly have said,
"Thank you for sharing this. I disagree with a few things.
My own understanding is that the process will be much smoother," etc.

Personally, I see a lot of horrifyingly negative things in the world,
so, the fact that something is disturbing or horrifying
is not any sort of reason to disbelieve its actuality.
That sounds rather like a purely emotional reaction to me.

And perhaps you do know what you think you know.
And, really, I pray to God that you are right.
But my reservations on this are still relevant and well considered.


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And my "knowing" comes from pure desire which anyone can generate.

"Desire engenders belief." - Marcel Proust

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posted July 08, 2008 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thirteen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HSC, i get it, what you are saying. I will keep that in mind for next time.
There is probably a good chance that i will be posting here now and after 2012, then we can discuss whether or not my ship is steering in the right direction.

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Speak what you think today in hard words and tomorrow speak what tomorrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said today.

~Emerson

thirteen On another recent thread (I can't seem to find it) I believe it was you who mentioned the wisdom of abandoning attachment to outcomes. Excellent observation. I believe that this attitude, when combined with a strong and stable faith, is our best hope for inner spiritual growth. Admittedly, it's a difficult balance, but an essential one, I think. With all due respect to Ra, we exist in a state of duality.

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quote:
Speak what you think today in hard words and tomorrow speak what tomorrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said today.
~Emerson

Geminis.

((just kidding!))


"The visions of good men are good; it is the undisciplined will that is whipped with bad thoughts and bad fortunes. When we break the laws, we lose our hold on the central reality. Like sick men in hospitals, we change only from bed to bed, from one folly to another; and it cannot signify much what becomes of such castaways -- wailing, stupid, comatose creatures, -- lifted from bed to bed, from the nothing of life to the nothing of death."
~ Ralph Waldo Emerson


"Emerson is as sweet as barbed wire and as accomodating as a brick." ~ A. Bartlett Giamatti


"Emerson is the Devil." ~ Allen Tate

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thirteen On another recent thread (I can't seem to find it) I believe it was you who mentioned the wisdom of abandoning attachment to outcomes. Excellent observation. I believe that this attitude, when combined with a strong and stable faith, is our best hope for inner spiritual growth. Admittedly, it's a difficult balance, but an essential one, I think. With all due respect to Ra, we exist in a state of duality.

You've got a point, TINK.

I was going to suggest that Armageddon might not be so bad.

After all, we've got to think positively.

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Was he? *sigh* I'm married to one. My sympathies to Mrs Emerson.

A man my Gemini better half works with recently sent me a few dvd's and articles concerning the much ballyhooed 2012 phenomenon. He's thoroughly convinced the world will soon come to an abrupt and painful end. I considered sharing with him the radical notion that any changes the Mayan calendar may have implied would be of the spiritual kind, rather than the material, and would pass by largely unnoticed by most of us.

You'll probably be pleased to note that I eventually thought the better of it. The poor guy will find out for himself soon enough anyway. I can only rain on so many parades, yk?

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"All truth passes through three stages:
first, it is ridiculed;
next it is violently attacked;
finally, it is held to be self-evident."
-- Schopenhauer

I am so fascinated with the different views on ascension. You deffinately can't ignore that something is happening.
Even my parents, who usually shrug off anything that is different or uncommon. Even they can't ignore that something is happening. My mom was talking about how she and my dad are seeing 11:11 a lot on clocks. So much that it's freaking her out. I never told her how I've been seeing 11:11, 2:22, 3:33 and also the minutes.. almost always when I look at them (ha.. right now it's 10:11 pm). The minutes are displaying 11, 22 or 55.
So when I told my mom of this she became fascinated with it. How it's very common that people are experiencing this.

LTT.. Great article!

HSC.. Loved the detailed response!

Very interesting thread :-)

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posted July 10, 2008 09:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for thirteen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For anyone interested, i have been reading Eckhart Tolle, "A new earth" again. I put it down before because i didn't think it was as good as "The Power of Now", my favorite. However, i am finding a lot in it about transcending ego, aka spiritual awakening. It also defines clearly what ego is. I think we all assume different things about what ego is and it gets distorted.

Also, lately a lot of people i know too are commenting on the changes going on. My mother has noticed ( didn't think that would ever happen ha ha). My step daughter sees 11:11 all the time too.

Its neat, i like it all.

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posted July 10, 2008 11:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NosiS     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is a great book, thirteen.

Thanks to your mentioning it, I've just decided to re-read Chapters Seven and Eight. I found myself conflicted with the focus on the ego as a negative element of our constitution, but re-reading some of this book reveals that Tolle does not really mention the "death" of the ego or that our goal is to slay it. His words are merely preparing for the separation of the ego and our consciousness so that we do not falsely identify with this lower element of our being. Every time I read this book, I am left more and more impressed by his communicative skill. No doubt, this man has surely learned the lessons of the Raven.

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posted July 10, 2008 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thirteen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with that. I too was having issue with that very thing. I was mistakenly beleiving that i was going to have to give up everything in my life in order to transcend. Not so at all and then some of the chapters make me realize that in many ways i am already there. I was born with spiritual instincts but i have to live in the world as it is so i have taken on some ego traits and have identified with them.

I have to work on the pain body and i have to get a better understanding of how emotions work. I read some chapters yesterday and i wrote down some ideas and it started to make sense. Emotions sometime s get the best of me.

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posted July 10, 2008 02:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Everyone has the right to believe anything they want. That being said, I personally am skeptical--no let's make that HIGHLY skeptical--of anything that is supposedly "channeled." I, too, am certain that I will be here in 2012, and that the world will likely be a much better place. What goes down comes back up, and the economy will likely be thriving in most parts of the world as well. Let the naysayers naysay, but I choose to think positively. "No, Virginia, there isn't a Santa Claus, but look on the bright side--at least the world isn't coming to an end."

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