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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted July 15, 2008 06:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
This is fascinating:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYBijRVbeHM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miYFNm4sGy8

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posted July 16, 2008 12:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverstone     Edit/Delete Message
, very interesting!

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Mannu
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posted July 16, 2008 08:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
No they are two different things.

The west will not understand it. They have been brainwashed by Freud and other psycho analysts. Even Nietzches came to the edge of enlightenment but he had no eastern guru to be guided I think and hence became mad.

Sucicidal and other disorders are natural before you become enlightened.

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posted July 16, 2008 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks, silver.


Mannu,

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Sucicidal and other disorders are natural before you become enlightened.

I'll buy that.

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posted July 17, 2008 12:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NosiS     Edit/Delete Message
Welcome back, Mannu!

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BrightStar
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posted July 17, 2008 12:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BrightStar     Edit/Delete Message
I won"t buy that. How can you agree to this HSC are you insane?

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posted July 17, 2008 09:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for praecipua     Edit/Delete Message
hello mates. it's been a while! nice to see you again.

i buy it too, though i wouldnt say it's "normal" to have such psychological disorders before to be enlightened cause what's normal? but i would say "likely", or "possible".

it's dangerous to play with fire. but as mannu says it doesn't have to be this way if you are surrounded by helpful people... like you guys! in that case, the new psychological awareness that you live in is not perceived as a prison but as a liberation. there's a fine line.

i put myself in the bipolar category (edit: i don't imply that i'm close to enlightnment or anything, just that i'm closer to bipolar disorder). but thank to you all i see clear sometimes. however nobody enightened would say they are, what for? so only the bipoplar one will talk about it. like you and me. lol! but please carry on.

thanks

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posted July 17, 2008 10:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NosiS     Edit/Delete Message
Welcome back, prae!

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posted July 18, 2008 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CrimsonChyld     Edit/Delete Message
So what is "normal" anyway? lol

And who is the judge? Are they "normal"?

I don't think there is one person on this board who can honestly claim that they have the right to call anyone else normal.

Enlightenment is a long and winding road and is a path we each start out on alone. Nobody can lead us by the hand. We have tools to use along the way in form of teachers, the books we read etc.

Okay, going off on a diff direction lol.
Whether one person is bi-polar, manic depressant, autistic, etc. Doesn't make them unable to reach enlightenment. Who wrote the rules on it anyway? The author of The Power of Now didn't sound very normal in his introduction, but his journey is truely awesome.

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posted July 18, 2008 11:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
These are typical questions..... it will take chapters to respond to your questions....perhaps you must prep up with books etc....and then revisit that question

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posted July 19, 2008 02:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverstone     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Mannu!

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posted July 19, 2008 10:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kat     Edit/Delete Message
The narrator states his experience with being enlightened, but my gut doesn't trust him. His intonations of voice are a bit impulsive and arrogant. Manic depression - is coming from the ego because it is a "bodily" response from an impermanent body and brain. I think enlightenment is probably a humbling experience,mind opening, and compasionate state. Much quieter and not like some acid trip or adrenaline rush. I don't consider myself enlightened, but I think I've met a few and they are very "even" in personality, wise, use good judgement, see the big picture, compasionate, make wise decisions that come from the heart (rather than manic people reacting impulsively with poor judgement.)
A spiritual person is consistant like a Buddah or Dahli Lama not erraticly high and crashes to an extreme low

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posted July 19, 2008 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TINK     Edit/Delete Message
Kat

balance is the first word that comes to mind for me when I think of the spiritually advanced, and the first impression I've felt the few times I've been fortunate enough to have encountered them.

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posted July 19, 2008 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
Ditto.

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posted July 19, 2008 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
Very interesting, HSC.

I do think biploar disorder and similar disorders are connected with the actual path to enlightenment. Not always, not necessarily, but certainly sometimes as there are many, many paths to Enlightenment.

The most difficult thing is wanting to make sense of all that one is feeling, but having no-one to communicate it with. To an extent, by nature we are a social creatures. Of course the pressures of the world are going to drive some of the "deeper" ones to periods of madness. Who is really crazy, this world. or the ones who think, and can't stop thinking, searching, feeling, endlessly aching from this search of ageless old?

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posted July 19, 2008 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message

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The truth
is a brilliant, many-sided diamond.
The great life fills this gem and colors from every side.
Mystics, messengers, and sages and teachers of all ages, races and beliefs have spoken of a different face of this common Eternal Truth.

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posted July 20, 2008 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message
Wow I can see the correlation! This is not something I would not over rule.Madness and genius totally interconnected.
Very cool link. Thanks

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posted July 23, 2008 07:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
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Madness and genius totally interconnected.

Yes, very often.

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"One must have chaos in oneself to give birth to a dancing star." ~ Nietzsche

The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes "Awww!” ~ Jack Kerouac

"Advice is not for lovers!
This is not the kind of mountain stream
you can build a damn across."
~ Rumi

"And this I know: whether the one true light
Kindle to love, or wrath consume me quite,
One flash of it within the tavern caught
Better than in the temple lost outright!"
~ Omar Khayyam

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Zarathustra saw many lands and many peoples: thus he discovered the good and evil of many peoples. No greater power did Zarathustra find on earth than good and evil. No people could live without first esteeming; but if they want to preserve themselves, then they must not esteem as the neighbor esteems. Much that was good to one people was scorn and infamy to another: thus I found it. Much I found called evil here, and decked out with purple honors there. Never did one neighbor understand the other: ever was his soul amazed at the neighbor's delusion and wickedness. A tablet of the good hangs over every people. Behold, it is the tablet of their overcomings; behold, it is the voice of their Will to Power... Whatever makes them rule and triumph and shine, to the awe and envy of their neighbors, that is to them the high, the first, the measure, the meaning of all things. Verily, my brother, once you have recognized the need and land and sky and neighbor of a people, you may also guess the law of their overcomings, and why they climb to their hope on this ladder. ~ Nietzsche

"A mind is prejudiced in favor of itself." ~ Sosan

"All life is a dispute over taste and tasting." ~ Nietzsche

"Beyond ideas of right-doing and wrong-doing, there is a field; I'll meet you there." ~ Rumi

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Make no effort either to work or to renounce;
your effort is the bondage.
What is destined to happen will happen.
If you are destined not to work,
work cannot be had even if you hunt for it;
if you are destined to work,
you will not be able to avoid it;
you will be forced to engage yourself in it.
So leave it to the Higher Power;
you cannot renounce or retain as you choose.

~ Ramana Maharshi

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"In my father's kingdom, there are many mansions." ~ Jesus

“They do Him wrong, who take God in one particular way. They take the way, and not God.” ~ Meister Eckhart

"Seymour once said that all we do our whole lives is go from one little piece of Holy Ground to the next. Is he never wrong?" ~ J.D. Salinger

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posted July 24, 2008 04:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
"Only those things are beautiful which are inspired by madness and written by reason."

"Rise up naked, valiant; make the sheaths crack; push aside the stakes; to grow straight you need no more than the thrust of your sap and the call of the sun."

"Great authors are admirable in this respect: in every generation they make for disagreement. Through them we become aware of our differences."

"Believe those who seek the truth, doubt those who find it; doubt all, but do not doubt yourself."


~ Andre Gide

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posted July 25, 2008 12:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
"Go to the pine, if you want to learn about the pine;
Go to the bamboo, if you want to learn about the bamboo."

~ Matsuo Basho

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posted July 25, 2008 12:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
"Lovers and madmen have such seething brains,
Such shaping fantasies, that apprehend
More than cool reason ever comprehends.
The lunatic, the lover, and the poet
Are of imagination all compact"

~ William Shakespeare

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