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starkiss1
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posted April 16, 2010 09:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for starkiss1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LEXX, This is the first time I am reading this!
"could mean to "moon" someone with those "other cheeks" saying in essence...Fu-k off! I am not going to fight you!)"

Brilliant. Remember my name on my e mail? I must have read your post subconsciously!

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posted April 16, 2010 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hee hee hee!
Now cut that out!
That is TWICE today you have caused me to laugh!

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posted April 19, 2010 04:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for HerWayofPraying     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is the one reason why I'm willing to FORGIVE even though I find it so difficult.

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posted April 20, 2010 07:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted May 09, 2010 05:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To transcend karma we need to stop blaming ourselves as well as others, by understanding that our limited sight within this experiment of life is what causes us to harm one another in the first place (our sense of empathy, restricted to a lesser or greater degree by the sense of separation).

I think this how we learn to "forgive". To stop the cycle of assumption and judgment by having compassion for the loss of "sight" each of us came to have, to a lesser or greater degree depending on the path etc. When we realize just how lost and vulnerable we all really are, and that essentially, at our core, we are just vulnerable beings who all desire happiness.

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posted May 12, 2010 01:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for HerWayofPraying     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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LTT i agree that stopping blame of ourselves and others is essential to getting off the wheel...even MORE than forgiveness is the understanding that there really is NOTHING TO FORGIVE when you get right down to it...

while this is VERY hard for humans it is really the essence of why we forgive in the first place. hope i'm not being too obtuse here..

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posted May 13, 2010 06:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starkiss1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"understanding that there really is NOTHING TO FORGIVE"

Kat, fantastic. But, ah, so hard, isn't it. I am inching towards this, but I am still so far from grasping it,

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posted May 14, 2010 06:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it is related to understanding our weak, limited and finite natures whilst entangled in human existence. Without wisdom, or becoming conscious once again of one's inner wisdom, I feel that we do not have free will as such. We only have free will when we have real eyes.

I look at my fellow human beings with the same sympathy I have for all life, albeit we are the most complex and destructive form of life...still, that's only because we have been struggling to make sense of it all, of who we are.

A cat doesn't toy with a bird or mouse he/ she has caught because they are evil. They do it partly because of instinct; ie learning to hunt; it is only natural they evolved playfulness into that learning. They also do it because they see themselves as separate to that mouse or bird. They wouldn't be able to do it if they felt a deep sense of connection; an empathic attunement to those creatures.

I look upon my fellow humans in a similar way. We all have varying degrees of empathy, and some not very much. Most people I have met do not have very much empathy for animals, and when they do, it is usually restricted to a few types of domesticated animals, who they view as below them, there for the convenience of people as opposed to having rights and sentience of their very own.

It is not people's fault they cannot see yet. They are just not able to.

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posted June 02, 2010 09:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted July 07, 2010 09:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hippichick

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posted August 15, 2010 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted August 15, 2010 10:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cancer/Scorpio729     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Always forgive your enemies - nothing annoys them so much." - Oscar Wilde

"The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong." - Mahatma Gandhi

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Echoes fade and memories die:
Autumn frosts have slain July

Still she haunts me, phantomwise,
Alice moving under skies
Never seen by waking eyes
- Lewis Carrol, Alice in Wonderland

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posted August 15, 2010 11:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cancer/Scorpio729
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"Always forgive your enemies - nothing annoys them so much." - Oscar Wilde

"The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong." - Mahatma Gandhi


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posted January 22, 2011 10:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 22, 2011 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When one of the parties truly forgives, the Karmic tie dissolves.

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posted January 22, 2011 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
When one of the parties truly forgives, the Karmic tie dissolves.



Yes.

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I remember, therefore I am immortal~LEXX
Learning is eternal; all true Gods know this simple truth~LEXX
~Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!
~Leonardo da Vinci
Religions are the cradles of despotism ~Marquis de Sade
Truth is The Incorruptible Light~Lucy
The present time is theirs, but the future is mine.~Nikola Tesla"
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“It’s an interesting thing. Seeing Kuan Yin relating to a flower so intently. She's not just looking at it; she's interacting with it…I’m seeing how the act of relating to a flower appears to be so simple. Yet, it takes a tremendous amount of courage to make such a “simple” act important. Now, the lotus is floating away.”

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posted January 22, 2011 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This thread could be read in conjunction with the LOA thread! Very insightful all!

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posted January 23, 2011 08:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The concept of forgiveness predates Christianity by thousands of years, maybe even 30,000 years ago or much much longer ago.
For starters this article gives a fairly good overview. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forgiveness
The concept of forgiveness most likely began
when the human race was still "in the caves" so to speak.
I feel that even the Neanderthals and other evolutionary offshoots of Cro-magnon
understood the concept also because some practiced caring death rituals for deceased members of their family/clans/group. To my thinking, such actions indicate a sapient thought and action process and therefore the
ability to most likely grasp and practice the act and concept of forgiveness. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cro-Magnon

A book I hope to acquire once it is published! http://www.amazon.co.uk/Before-Forgiveness-Origins -Moral-Idea/dp/0521199409/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1269134360&sr=1-1

Forgiveness quotes:

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There is no revenge so complete as forgiveness.
-- Josh Billings

Life appears to me too short to be spent in nursing animosity or registering wrongs.
-- Charlotte Bronte

Forgo your anger for a moment and save yourself a hundred days of trouble.
-- Chinese proverb

"The man who opts for revenge should dig two graves."
-- Chinese proverb

When anger rises, think of the consequences.
-- Confucius

"An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind."
-- Mohandas K. Gandhi

The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.
-- Mohandas K. Gandhi

"Forgiveness does not overlook the deed. It rises above it."
-- Pumla Gobodo-Madikizela

Perpetrators who receive the gift of forgiveness are given a chance to change
-- Pumla Gobodo-Madikizela

an act of forgiveness sets the victim apart from the perpetrator, who failed to act humanly towards the victim at the time he committed his crime.
-- Pumla Gobodo-Madikizela

For perpetrators, when they apologize and experience remorse, it gives them a chance to reclaim their own humanity. Some rise to the moral challenge. Others of course don't care, and they continue acting with contempt.
-- Pumla Gobodo-Madikizela

"Before we can forgive one another, we have to understand one another."
-- Emma Goldman

Our capacity to make peace with another person and with the world depends very much on our capacity to make peace with ourselves.
-- Thich Nhat Hanh

The practice of peace and reconciliation is one of the most vital and artistic of human actions.”
-- Thich Nhat Hanh

To reconcile conflicting parties, we must have the ability to understand the suffering of both sides.
-- Thich Nhat Hanh

"Forgiveness does not equal forgetting. It is about healing the memory of the harm, not erasing it."
-- Ken Hart

We must develop and maintain the capacity to forgive. He who is devoid of the power to forgive is devoid of the power to love. There is some good in the worst of us and some evil in the best of us. When we discover this, we are less prone to hate our enemies.
-- Martin Luther King, Jr

"Forgiveness is primarily for our own sake, so that we no longer carry the burden of resentment. But to forgive does not mean we will allow injustice again."
--Jack Kornfield

Five enemies of peace inhabit with us - avarice, ambition, envy, anger, and pride; if these were to be banished, we should infallibly enjoy perpetual peace.
-- Petrarch

If we really want to love, we must learn how to forgive.
-- Mother Teresa

"It takes courage and commitment to act in a more forgiving fashion. It is not at all a sign of weakness but a mark of strength."
-- Carl Thorensen

"Let us forgive each other - only then will we live in peace”
-- Leo Tolstoy

Forgiveness is the fragrance the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it.
-- Mark Twain

Love is an act of endless forgiveness.
-- Peter Ustinov



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I remember, therefore I am immortal~LEXX
Learning is eternal; all true Gods know this simple truth~LEXX
~Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!
~Leonardo da Vinci
Religions are the cradles of despotism ~Marquis de Sade
Truth is The Incorruptible Light~Lucy
The present time is theirs, but the future is mine.~Nikola Tesla"
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posted January 23, 2011 10:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Question:

Do folks here think being hurt, in situations where we have forgotten what we did in our past lives, teaches us empathy?

Or do we need love for that?

Are there beings in other dimensions who want to perpetuate beliefs in karma and sin so that they may continue to feed off our emotions and keep us trapped in the cycle?

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posted January 23, 2011 04:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are Dalits (meaning oppressed) aka Untouchables that don't believe in reincarnation,karma,pastlives.
Dr. Velu Annamalai , who is the first Dalit to get an engineering degree, said that Hinduism is sanctified racism.

He said
said the following:

"Let me find out what God he is? Who made me be an "untouchable"? Tell me what I did in my last life. I sure want to find out. OK. I sure want to talk to the God. Maybe I'll shoot him because I know the life of an untouchable in India. But what the Aryans did, they made us completely dumb. Completely ignorant. Completely Illiterate. Completely poor. Completely weak in every sense of the word for 3000 years."


Dr. Velu Annamalai - The Black Untouchables of India http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RJxyiWSwpw&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4rvbIGTLQY&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5EhcDPkgC8&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnAoFQyDkfo&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lixiVF20s18&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTMZ5Z6c6_c&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG0XmXDfdVQ&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORuHFUmvX2w&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9OasgbYIac&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkOw-YEnMjU&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Mz_-ylbv60&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wws4VOd_HLw&feature=related


This seems to suggest that the Illuminati came up with the reincarnation concept and used it as a form of control.

Reincarnation For The Untouchables http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SepaLxDenIg&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt6phVLSV5w&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZXf3BNovpk&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuH3NWxfhig&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4W6LYjLrxA&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRjR_9wqb0w&feature=related

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posted May 13, 2013 09:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted May 16, 2013 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Randall!!!

Such great threads to read over and over!!!

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posted May 16, 2013 02:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you both!

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