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Valus
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posted August 18, 2010 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message
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Valus
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posted August 18, 2010 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

"You can join the bullies, you can be one of the just,
or you can be one of the good people who do nothing"
~ Werner Reich, Holocaust Survivor


"All that is necessary
for the triumph of evil
is that good people do nothing."
~ Variously Attributed


"In the End, we will remember
not the words of our enemies,
but the silence of our friends."
~ Martin Luther King Jr


"Silence is argument
carried out by other means."
~ Ernesto "Che" Guevara


"You may not be interested in war,
but war is interested in you."
~ Leon Trotsky


"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than
sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."
~ Martin Luther King Jr


"One may smile and smile, and be a villain."
~ William Shakespeare

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Cancer/Scorpio729
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posted August 18, 2010 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cancer/Scorpio729     Edit/Delete Message
They rely on national leaders for change and tell themselves that there's nothing that can be done.

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Echoes fade and memories die:
Autumn frosts have slain July

Still she haunts me, phantomwise,
Alice moving under skies
Never seen by waking eyes
- Lewis Carrol, Alice in Wonderland

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juniperb
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posted August 18, 2010 08:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
only a Saint , Pacifist or Fool

belives in the Golden Rule...

THE SAGE
VIRTUE and equity,
Courage and temperance,
Are the four qualities of the sage.

He is not over-cunning or a fool,
His appetites are under control,
From cringing and boasting he is free,
And from foolhardiness and cowardice.

All virtues lie between
Excess and defect,
A narrow path betwixt
Hell's bottomless abyss,
Fine and sharp as a sword blade,
Which permits no lingering
Or turning round.

Equipoise is the summit of perfection,
Becoming like a simple essence.

As the rays of the sun
Shine upon the earth,
So the Light from the Spirit World
Shines brightly on him
Who has attained this equilibrium.

The Secret Rose Garden: Sa'd Ud Din Mahmud Shabistari
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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~

- George Eliot

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SunChild
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posted August 19, 2010 03:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message
Well said V *claps*

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Valus
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posted August 19, 2010 12:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

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cpn_edgar_winner
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posted August 19, 2010 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
i agree. turning a blind eye deliberatly is worse than anything! very very harmful and hurtful! in fact i blame those who look away deliberately almost as much as an offender.

be hot or cold.
lukewarm is pathetic!
i remeber just as vividly those who KNEW and did nothing when bad things happened, just as clearly as those by whom the offences came.

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FrozenQueen
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posted August 19, 2010 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FrozenQueen     Edit/Delete Message
You spoke my mind there, Valus, dear friend.

The masses are what I call zombies...robots...puppets in the hands of their masters who rule them because of one thing and one thing only:ignorance.

It's tiresome, isn't it, to just go about with the chores, rather than think. Logicallt, it makes no sense that we should lug around 3 kgs of brain tissue without using it at all.

It's the people's ignorance that causes democracy to fail.

How many read books? Newspapers? Journals? Watch Discovery or Nat Geo? Take part in debates? Aware of environmental degradation? GMO foods infiltrating our homes? Animal cruelty? Human rights abuses? False propaganda and war-mongering? The bane that is mass-media?

In short, how many are ALIVE?

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Damaged Love, brought us together...

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iQ
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posted August 20, 2010 05:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
Good post Valus.

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Valus
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posted August 20, 2010 08:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
You spoke my mind there, Valus, dear friend.

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The masses are what I call zombies...robots...puppets in the hands of their masters who rule them because of one thing and one thing only:ignorance.

It's more than that, isn't it?
I think apathy, or complacency,
is a more powerful factor than ignorance,
since it is largely responsible for the latter,
and even for what is called "willful ignorance."

The psychological mechanism
of "resistance" is discussed here:

"I DON'T WANT TO KNOW WHAT I KNOW"
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum25/HTML/001560.html

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It's tiresome, isn't it, to just go about with the chores, rather than think. Logically, it makes no sense that we should lug around 3 kgs of brain tissue without using it at all.

Indeed.

"Our minds are lazier than our bodies."
~ Francois de La Rochefoucauld

quote:
It's the people's ignorance that causes democracy to fail.

It's faith in the people
that causes democracy.

"Democracy is the recurrent suspicion
that more than half of the people are right
more than half the time." ~ E.B. White

Still, it may be the best possible form
of government; which isn't saying much.

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How many read books? Newspapers? Journals? Watch Discovery or Nat Geo? Take part in debates? Aware of environmental degradation? GMO foods infiltrating our homes? Animal cruelty? Human rights abuses? False propaganda and war-mongering? The bane that is mass-media? In short, how many are ALIVE?

Too few.

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posted August 20, 2010 08:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

cpn,


iQ, Thanks!

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Valus
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posted August 20, 2010 08:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

This fits here:


WHAT SAYS THE FIRE MARSHAL


(from "The Present Moment" by Søren Kierkegaard)

That a man who in some fashion or other has what one calls a "cause," something he seriously purposes to accomplish, and there are other persons who make it their business to counteract, and antagonize, and hurt him, so that he must take measures against these his enemies, this will be evident to every one. But that there is a well‑intentioned kindness by far more dangerous, perhaps, and one that seems calculated to prevent the serious accomplishment of his mission, this will not at once be clear to every one.

When a person suddenly falls ill, kindly‑intentioned folk will straightway rush to his help, and one will suggest this, another that and if all those about him had a chance to have their way it would certainly result in the sick man's death; seeing that even one person's well‑meaning advice may be dangerous enough. And even if nothing is done, and the advice of neither the assembled and well‑meaning crowd nor of any one person is taken, yet their busy and flurried presence may be harmful, nevertheless, inasmuch as they are in the way of the physician.

Likewise at a fire. Scarcely has the alarm of fire been sounded but a great crowd of people will rush to the spot, good and kindly and sympathetic, helpful people, the one with a bucket, the other with a basin, still another with a hand‑squirt, all of them goodly, kindly, sympathetic, helpful persons who want to do all they can to extinguish the fire.

But what says the fire‑marshal? The fire‑marshal, he says -- well, at other times the fire‑marshal is a very pleasant and refined man; but at a fire he does use coarse language -- he says or, rather, he roars out: "Oh, go to hell with your buckets and hand‑squirts!" And then, when these well‑meaning people feel insulted, perhaps, and think it highly improper to be treated in this fashion, and would like at least to be treated respectfully what says the fire-marshal then? Well, at other times the fire‑marshal is a very pleasant and refined gentleman who will show every one the respect due him; but at a fire he is somewhat different he says: "Where the devil is the police?" And when the policemen arrive he says to them: "Rid me of these damn people with their buckets and hand‑squirts; and if they won't clear out, then club them on their heads, so that we get rid of them and can get at the fire!"

That is to say, in the case of a fire the whole way of looking at things is a very different one from that of quiet every‑day life. The qualities which in quiet every‑day life render one well‑liked, viz., good‑nature and kindly well m­eaning, all this is repaid, in the case of a fire, with abusive language and finally with a crack on the head.

And this is just as it should be. For a conflagration is a serious business; and wherever we have to deal with a se­rious business this well‑intentioned kindness won't do at all. Indeed, any serious business enforces a very different mode of behavior which is: either‑or. Either you are able really to do something, and really have something to do here; or else, if that be not the case, then the serious business demands precisely that you take yourself away. And if you will not comprehend that, the fire‑marshal proposes to have the police hammer it into your head; which may do you a great deal of good, as it may help to render you a little serious, as is befitting so serious a business as a fire.

But what is true in the case of a fire holds true also in matters of the spirit. Wherever a cause is to be promoted, or an enterprise to be seen through, or an idea to be served -- you may be sure that when he who really is the man to do it, the right man, he who, in a higher sense has and ought to have command, he who is in earnest and can make the matter the serious business it really is -- you may be sure that when he arrives at the spot, so to say, he will find there a nice company of easy‑going, addlepated twaddlers who, pretending to be engaged in serious business, dabble in wishing to serve this cause, to further that enterprise, to promote that idea a company of addlepated fools who will of course consider one's unwillingness to make common cause with them (which unwillingness precisely proves one's seriousness) will of course consider that a sure proof of the man's lack of seriousness. I say, when the right man arrives he will find this; but I might also look at it in this fashion: the very question as to whether he is the right man is most properly decided by his attitude to that crowd of fools. If he thinks they may help him, and that he will add to his strength by joining them, then he is eo ipso not the right man. The right man will understand at once, as did the fire‑marshal, that the crowd must be got out of the way; in fact, that their presence and puttering around is the most dangerous ally the fire could have. Only, that in matters of the spirit it is not as in the case of the conflagration, where the fire‑marshal needs but to say to the police: rid me of these people!

Thus in matters of the spirit, and likewise in matters of religion. History has frequently been compared to what the chemists call a "process." The figure is quite suggestive, providing it is correctly understood. For instance, in the "process of filtration" water is run through a filter and by this process loses its impurities. In a totally different sense history is a process. The idea is given utterance and then enters into the process of history. But unfortunately this process (how ridiculous a supposition!) consists not in purifying the idea, which never is purer than at its inception; oh no, it consists in gradually and increasingly botching, bungling, and making a mess of, the idea, in using up the idea, in indeed, is not this the opposite of filtering? adding the impurer elements which it originally lacked: until at last, by the enthusiastic and mutually appreciative efforts of successive generations, the idea has absolutely disappeared and the very opposite of the original idea is now called the idea, which is then asserted to have arisen through a historic process by which the idea is purified and elevated.

When finally the right man arrives, he who in the highest sense is called to the task for all we know, chosen early and slowly educated for this business which is, to throw light on the matter, to set fire to this jungle which is a refuge for all kinds of foolish talk and delusions and rascally tricks when he comes he will always find a nice company of addlepated fools and twaddlers who, surely enough, do think that, perhaps, things are wrong and that "something must be done about it"; or who have taken the position, and talk a good deal about it, that it is preposterous to be self‑important and talk about it. Now if he, the right man, is deceived but a single instant and thinks that it is this company who are to aid him, then it is clear he is not the right man. If he is deceived and has dealings with that company, then providence will at once take its hand off him, as not fit. But the right man will see at a glance, as the fire‑marshal does, that the crowd who in the kindness of their hearts mean to help in extinguishing a conflagration by buckets and hand‑squirts the right man will see that the same crowd who here, when there is a question, not of extinguishing a fire, but rather of setting something on fire, will in the kindness of their hearts wish to help with a sulfur match without sulfer or a wet spill, he will see that this crowd must be got rid of, that he must not have the least thing in common with this crowd, that he will be obliged to use the coarsest possible language against them -- he who perhaps at other times is anything but coarse. But the thing of supreme importance is to be rid of the crowd; for the effect of the crowd is to hamstring the whole cause by robbing it of its seriousness while heartfelt sympathy is pretended. Of course the crowd will then rage against him, against his incredible arrogance and so forth. This ought not to count with him, whether for or against, In all truly serious business the law of : either or, prevails. Either, I am the man whose serious business this is, I am called to it, and am willing to take a decisive risk; or, if this be not the case, then the seriousness of the business demands that I do not meddle with it at all. Nothing is more detestable and mean, and nothing discloses and effects a deeper demoralization, than this lackadaisical wishing to enter "somewhat" into matters which demand an aut aut, aut Caesar aut nihil [Either-Or, either Caesar or nothing], this taking just a little part in something, to be so wretchedly lukewarm, to twaddle about the business, and then by twaddling to usurp through a lie the attitude of being better than they who wish not to have anything whatever to do with the whole business, to usurp through a lie the attitude of being better, and thus to render doubly difficult the task of him whose business it really is.


[translated by Lee Milton Hollander]

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