posted August 25, 2012 08:32 AM            

I don't care much for the biblical angle on well... just about anything

I am aware of the power of myth though, so the names we attach to such soul-mate mythos is just a a matter of taste in my opinion...

For example, Luna/Selene being the light of Night, and Lucifer/Phosphorus being the light of Day, there is a quasi twin/opposition duality to such things -nods-

Ultimately I feel the twin self issues is simply a unification of a persons male and female attributes within themselves, not coming from a person outside themselves

posted August 25, 2012 12:36 PM            

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Simunye,
Like Lei_Kuei I to dont take to the biblical angle of things but all of that put aside.
What do you feel Soul-Mate and Twin Souls are in your own feeling about the subject?
The Bible is a book written for mind control and so I cannot bring myself to use it to explain anything esoteric.
Have you had any experiences yourself with soul-mates and a twin souls in real life?

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posted August 25, 2012 03:59 PM            

In this dimension they are physically manifest, so once true twin flames unite in this dimension it's a magical thing for all as they are anchoring the truest love possible right here on earth to help the planet evolve into a higher consciousness of light and love. I'm am one of the people to have found my true twin flame.

ALso twin flames must be male/female because this is the mother/father and how it manifests. I did a post on this in this forum awhile back. It's a very interesting subject.

The Bible is only half the truth. It's up to the serpents to discover the rest.

posted August 25, 2012 06:38 PM            

Twin souls must awaken before they can unite. How else will they recognize each other and then work through the last stages of there on journey within? The meeting of them is an outward manifestation of their own seperate meeting of the inner "mother" and "father" as you described above. This is the only way to raise your frequency high enough to attract your twin soul. In which case you both will be awakened.

You also wrote:
"ALso twin flames must be male/female because this is the mother/father and how it manifests. I did a post on this in this forum awhile back. It's a very interesting subject"

Are you saying that gays and lesbians cannot do the inner work to attract their twin flames if it is the same sex?

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posted August 25, 2012 06:53 PM            

"Twin souls must awaken before they can unite. How else will they recognize each other and then work through the last stages of there on journey within? The meeting of them is an outward manifestation of their own seperate meeting of the inner "mother" and "father" as you described above. This is the only way to raise your frequency high enough to attract your twin soul. In which case you both will be awakened."

In my case, I was awakened after I met my twin flame. I think also it's impossible for some people to truly awaken without having basked in the true love of the twin because the love ignited in the union literally makes that person's soul soar to higher consciousness. A consciousness that is imposible to understand unless you have the love of the mother inside of you awakened consiously.

"Are you saying that gays and lesbians cannot do the inner work to attract their twin flames if it is the same sex?"

Not saying that at all. I'm saying that true twin flames will not be of the same sex in this physical dimension or any dimension. When they meet.

posted August 25, 2012 07:27 PM            

Everyones path is different so this could well be so for you and others. But it still stands that you must be awakened yourself, how else will you even know what the love of the mother is to compare if you are not in the beggining stages or middle stages of awakening consciously?

You also wrote:
" I'm saying that true twin flames will not be of the same sex in this physical dimension or any dimension. When they meet"

posted August 25, 2012 08:57 PM            

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You also wrote:
" I'm saying that true twin flames will not be of the same sex in this physical dimension or any dimension. When they meet"

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How do you know this to be true?

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Since the Spirit is genderless, why would the physical gender matter ?

posted August 26, 2012 06:52 AM            

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Twin flames are the holy spirit. When the mother (the woman) and the father (the man) unite with their tue other halfs, they create unity and give birth to the christ consciousness and they are reunited with the source of creation once again. When true twin flames unite they awaken to their true souls purpose for being on the earth.

In this dimension they are physically manifest, so once true twin flames unite in this dimension it's a magical thing for all as they are anchoring the truest love possible right here on earth to help the planet evolve into a higher consciousness of light and love. I'm am one of the people to have found my true twin flame.

ALso twin flames must be male/female because this is the mother/father and how it manifests. I did a post on this in this forum awhile back. It's a very interesting subject.

The Bible is only half the truth. It's up to the serpents to discover the rest.

Oh and there are way more than 8 archangels! Men ARE angels, but they are in a deep sleep so for now they have forgotten what they are and that's why Jesus came 2000 years ago to teach us that we are amazing spiritual beings not limited physical beings.

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posted August 26, 2012 07:01 AM            

Just hit refresh, it will show up

Everyone else can see it though

posted August 26, 2012 07:37 AM            

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[b]@Simunye: Yea its a bug!

Just hit refresh, it will show up

Everyone else can see it though

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posted August 26, 2012 04:44 PM            

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Since the Spirit is genderless, why would the physical gender matter ?

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I agree with Juniperb...?? Why would it?

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posted August 27, 2012 05:32 AM            

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Simunye,did you reply on another thread perhaps? I do that sometimes

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posted August 27, 2012 10:25 AM            

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I agree with Juniperb...?? Why would it?

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You guy's, gender is manifest on every plane. This is one of the most important spiritual rules. It's just that in our 3rd dimension that gender has manifested as 'sex'.

From the The Kybalion:
The Principle of Gender
"Gender is in everything; everything has its masculine and Feminine Principles; gender manifests on all planes."

The great Seventh Hermetic Principle — the Principle of Gender embodies the truth that there is Gender manifested in everything — that the Masculine and Feminine principles are ever present and active in all phases of phenomena, on each and every plane of life. At this point we think it well to call your attention to the fact that Gender, in its Hermetic sense, and Sex in the ordinarily accepted use of the term, are not the same.

The word "Gender" is derived from the Latin root meaning "to beget; to pro-create; to generate; to create; to produce." A moment's consideration will show you that the word has a much broader and more general meaning than the term "Sex," the latter referring to the physical distinctions between male and female living things. Sex is merely a manifestation of Gender on a certain plane of the Great Physical Plane — the plane of organic life. We wish to impress this distinction upon your minds, for the reason that certain writers, who have acquired a smattering of the Hermetic Philosophy, have sought to identify this Seventh Hermetic Principle with wild and fanciful, and often reprehensible, theories and teachings regarding Sex.

The office of Gender is solely that of creating, producing, generating, etc., and its manifestations are visible on every plane of phenomena. It is somewhat difficult to produce proofs of this along scientific lines, for the reason that science has not as yet recognized this Principle as of universal application. But still some proofs are forthcoming from scientific sources. In the first place, we find a distinct manifestation of the Principle of Gender among the corpuscles, ions, or electrons, which constitute the basis of Matter as science now knows the latter, and which by forming certain combinations form the Atom, which until lately was regarded as final and indivisible.

The latest word of science is that the atom is composed of a multitude of corpuscles, electrons, or ions (the various names being applied by different authorities) revolving around each other and vibrating at a high degree and intensity. But the accompanying statement is made that the formation of the atom is really due to the clustering of negative corpuscles around a positive one — the positive corpuscles seeming to exert a certain influence upon the negative corpuscles, causing the latter to assume certain combinations and thus "create" or "generate" an atom. This is in line with the most ancient Hermetic Teachings, which have always identified the Masculine principle of Gender with the "Positive," and the Feminine with the "Negative" Poles of Electricity (so-called).

Now a word at this point regarding this identification. The public mind has formed an entirely erroneous impression regarding the qualities of the so-called "Negative" pole of electrified or magnetized Matter. The terms Positive and Negative are very wrongly applied to this phenomennon by science. The word Positive means something real and strong, as compared with a Negative unreality or weakness. Nothing is further from the real facts of electrical phenomena. The so-called Negative pole of the battery is really the pole in and by which the generation or production of new forms and energies is manifested. There is nothing "negative" about it. The best scientific authorities now use the word "Cathode" in place of "Negative," the word Cathode coming from the Greek root meaning "descent; the path of generation, etc." From the Cathode pole emerge the swarm of electrons or corpuscles; from the same pole emerge those wonderful "rays" which have revolutionized scientific conceptions during the past decade. The Cathode pole is the Mother of all of the strange phenomena which have rendered useless the old text-books, and which have caused many long accepted theories to be relegated to the scrap-pile of scientific speculation. The Cathode, or Negative Pole, is the Mother Principle of Electrical Phenomena, and of the finest forms of matter as yet known to science. So you see we are justified in refusing to use the term "Negative" in our consideration of the subject, and in insisting upon substituting the word "Feminine" for the old term. The facts of the case bear us out in this, without taking the Hermetic Teachings into consideration. And so we shall use the word "Feminine" in the place of "Negative" in speaking of that pole of activity.

The latest scientific teachings are that the creative corpuscles or electrons are Feminine (science says "they are composed of negative electricity" — we say they are composed of Feminine energy). A Feminine corpuscle becomes detached from, or rather leaves, a Masculine corpuscle, and starts on a new career. It actively seeks a union with a Masculine corpuscle, being urged thereto by the natural impulse to create new forms of Matter or Energy. One writer goes so far as to use the term "it at once seeks, of its own volition, a union," etc. This detachment and uniting form the basis of the greater part of the activities of the chemical world. When the Feminine corpuscle unites with a Masculine corpuscle, a certain process is begun. The Feminine particles vibrate rapidly under the influence of the Masculine energy, and circle rapidly around the latter. The result is the birth of a new atom. This new atom is really composed of a union of the Masculine and Feminine electrons, or corpuscles, but when the union is formed the atom is a separate thing, having certain properties, but no longer manifesting the property of free electricity. The process of detachment or separation of the Feminine electrons is called "ionization." These electrons, or corpuscles, are the most active workers in Nature's field. Arising from their unions, or combinations, manifest the varied phenomena of light, heat, electricity, magnetism, attraction, repulsion, chemical affinity and the reverse, and similar phenomena. And all this arises from the operation of the Principle of Gender on the plane of Energy.

The part of the Masculine principle seems to be that of directing a certain inherent energy toward the Feminine principle, and thus starting into activity the creative processes. But the Feminine principle is the one always doing the active creative work — and this is so on all planes. And yet, each principle is incapable of operative energy without the assistance of the other. In some of the forms of life, the two principles are combined in one organism. For that matter, everything in the organic world manifests both genders — there is always the Masculine present in the Feminine form, and the Feminine form. The Hermetic Teachings include much regarding the operation of the two principles of Gender in the production and manifestation of various forms of energy, etc., but we do not deem it expedient to go into detail regarding the same at this point, because we are unable to back up the same with scientific proof, for the reason that science has not as yet progressed thus far. But the example we have given you of the phenomena of the electrons or corpuscles will show you that science is on the right path, and will also give you a general idea of the underlying principles.

Some leading scientific investigators have announced their belief that in the formation of crystals there was to be found something that corresponded to "sex-activity," which is another straw showing the direction the scientific winds are blowing. And each year will bring other facts to corroborate the correctness of the Hermetic Principle of Gender. It will be found that Gender is in constant operation and manifestation in the field of inorganic matter, and in the field of Energy or Force. Electricity is now generally regarded as the "Something" into which all other forms of energy seem to melt or dissolve. The "Electrical Theory of the Universe" is the latest scientific doctrine, and is growing rapidly in popularity and general acceptance. And it thus follows that if we are able to discover in the phenomena of electricity — even at the very root and source of its manifestations — a clear and unmistakable evidence of the presence of Gender and its activities, we are justified in asking you to believe that science at last has offered proofs of the existence in all universal phenomena of that great Hermetic Principle — the Principle of Gender.

It is not necessary to take up your time with the well known phenomena of the "attraction and repulsion" of the atoms; chemical affinity; the "loves and hates" of the atomic particles; the attraction or cohesion between the molecules of matter. These facts are too well known to need extended comment from us. But, have you ever considered that all of these things are manifestations of the Gender Principle? Can you not see that the phenomena is "on all fours" with that of the corpuscles or electrons? And more than this, can you not see the reasonableness of the Hermetic Teachings which assert that the very Law of Gravitation — that strange attraction by reason of which all particles and bodies of matter in the universe tend toward each other — is but another manifestation of the Principle of Gender, which operates in the direction of attracting the Masculine to the Feminine energies, and vice versa? We cannot offer you scientific proof of this at this time — but examine the phenomena in the light of the Hermetic Teachings on the subject, and see if you have not a better working hypothesis than any offered by physical science. Submit all physical phenomena to the test, and you will discern the Principle of Gender ever in evidence.

"How do you know this to be true"?

posted August 27, 2012 10:52 AM            

However as I said at start, I don't feel the twin-self issue requires an external stimulus... in any dimension -nods-

Genderless might be the wrong word, since an Androgyne is a 3rd gender

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posted August 27, 2012 02:23 PM            

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"ONLY God knows and ONLY he is the judge!"

God is our higher self.

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posted August 27, 2012 02:23 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
"ONLY God knows and ONLY he is the judge!"

God is our higher self.

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posted August 27, 2012 03:19 PM            

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... Because matter is just a reflection of what spirit is, and essentially when twins meet their spirits unite as do their bodies. But only in this dimension.[/B]

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posted August 27, 2012 10:34 PM            

"Because in the beginning they split up and one became female in nature and the other became male in nature and this was the permanent state of their separate soul's evolution and what they would be when they finally met again. One would have to be male and one would have to be female to make the completion enfold. Because matter is just a reflection of what spirit is, and essentially when twins meet their spirits unite as do their bodies. But only in this dimension."

Yes in the beginning we do split and we do become male or female but we do not incarnate every life as male if we start out as male. What's more I have met my twin and I am the initial split of female and he is the initial split of male. However we are both male in this life after many lives lived as primarily female for me and primarily male for him.
So my existence alone should tell you that twin souls will not just be male and female.

posted August 28, 2012 02:43 AM            

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Originally posted by oneruledbymars:
Yes in the beginning we do split and we do become male or female but we do not incarnate every life as male if we start out as male. What's more I have met my twin and I am the initial split of female and he is the initial split of male. However we are both male in this life after many lives lived as primarily female for me and primarily male for him.
So my existence alone should tell you that twin souls will not just be male and female.

Or are you saying he cannot be my twin soul because he is not female?[/B]

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posted August 28, 2012 10:21 AM            

I find your story fascinating. I was always looking for the "one" since I can remember. It's the Disney programming I like to call it. The 'live happily ever after with your one true love' that life growing up in the U.S programs you to have. Some people wake up and find their on way and some don't, most keep with the traditions it's just easier that way to them I guess.
Two very interesting numbers:
9
I find this description by Hans Decos interesting.
Number 9 Numerology
Global awareness

"...........The last of the cardinal numbers, the 9 is the most worldly and sophisticated of all numbers. The 9 has some similarities with the 6. However, whereas the 6 as a symbol of motherly (or fatherly) love, giving its love and care to friends, family and the immediate community, the 9 offers it to the world at large; the 9, more than any other number, has global consciousness. Looking at the shape of the symbol is, as always, quite telling. The 9 is like the 6 upside down, a symbol of her offering sympathy and compassion to everyone; a reservoir of giving with a generous downward spout.

The 9 lives in the world and understands the connections between all of mankind. It is a humanitarian, and sees no real difference between its neighbor next door and the person living in a very different culture and environment on the other side of the world. The 9 is the least judgmental of all numbers, the most tolerant and the most conscious.

The spiritual meaning of number Nine bring us to the very height of vibrational frequencies in this number sequence. Nine represents attainment, satisfaction, accomplishment, and our success to achieve an influence in our circumstances. The spiritual meaning of number Nine deals with intellectual power, inventiveness, influence over situations and things. Nine beseeches us to recognize our own internal attributes, and extend these abilities out into the world to make a positive, influential difference."

It sounds very much like 9 is linked to the Energy of Uranus...no?

And then 13:

NUMBER 13

The Number 13 is a Karmic Number. Number 13 is the number of upheaval, so that new ground can be broken. The number 13 has great power. If this power is used for selfish purposes, it will bring destruction of the self, and in turn, this will bring dis-ease and illnesses. Adapting to change gracefully will bring out the strength of the 13 vibration, and decrease any potential for the negative.
The symbolism of thirteen comes into play when we learn of Osiris (the Egyptian god of life, death and powerful solar symbol) was murdered by his brother Typhon. Isis, Osiris’ wife and sister collected his body with intent to restore Osiris back to life.

However, Typhon stole Osiris’ body and cut it into fourteen pieces and scattered them about the earth. Isis continued her quest to revive her beloved, but could only reclaim thirteen of the fourteen body parts (the fourteenth part being Osiris’ penis which interestingly fell into the Nile and was eaten by a school of fish which are also symbolic).

This tale symbolically implies that the meaning of number thirteen is the precursor to completion.
Also in Egypt, there are thirteen steps upon the ladder that leads to eternity. Upon the thirteenth step it is said the soul reaches the source of itself and attains spiritual completion."

And the number 13 is linked to spiritual completion, these two numbers could easily symbolize something new in your life that is going to help you finish your spiritual journey within.
And if you have balanced your masculine and feminine Energies properly it could very well be your twin that you manifest.

No matter who comes along love yourself first though, and walk away with the first red flag and if they don't see the need to explain themselves then never look back. It is a trick. If it is meant to be they will know it and you will know it. Your union can only be complete when you are both able to voice it to each other that you are each others twin souls then what Spirit has yoked together no man can put apart... From then on you will know by knowing, but we are in the world of illusions, remember this and remember to love yourself first and then love others as you would have them love you, then you will not so easily be deceived, disappointed, ...maybe but not deceived.
And keep a platinum circle spinning around your aura at all times for protection.

Keep me posted.

Namaste

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