posted September 24, 2012 02:09 AM            

As Juniperb just encountered, things are about to get crazy! Although understand that while many of the things Id like to discuss are hovering betwixt the lines of Madness and Sanity. All of my presuppositions are based upon a [rational model] of critical thinking, combined with my own intuitive-awareness! I do not entertain the miraculous nor the irrational as a means to better understand even the most bizarre realms of esoterica, as it serves no purpose other than the act of "Pure Mental Masturbation"

Unless one can demonstrate a logical, simple and rational thought process that when applied to a situation or problem, which serves to lesson the confusion rather than to increase it! Let that be the measure of its usefulness to you! Feel free to discard anything that makes no rational-sense.

Some reading material for your consideration, many of my [below] hypothesis suppositions are stemming from models that can be explored at your own leisure, for the measure of there worth to you. I have no desire to ram-rod a truth upon you, always make up ones own mind

[Ill add more [books] and [links] as I think of them]

The Holographic Universe | Mystiscism and the New Physics | Implicate and explicate order according to David Bohm | The VALIS Trilogy | The Exegesis of Philip K. Dick | Cosmic Trigger I, 2 & 3 | Prometheus_Rising | The Fall of Man

[I assure you, my main focus is to shed more light upon the Yeshua situation, yet ultimately I don't think you really need be concerned with understanding it beyond the simple model of [Zen Adepts] on the [Trade Routes], co-opted and misconstrued by the infection of Judaism]

^^^^^That is really the crux of my whole hypothesis in its simplest form!

[A quote that pretty much sums up where we are about to go!]

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“The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents... some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new Dark Age.” ― H.P. Lovecraft, The Call Of Cthulhu

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[Back later, life intrudes... work to do ]

posted September 24, 2012 08:26 AM            

"bizarre realms of esoterica" hmmm, maybe I need my reinforcement, my personal tin foil queen

Thanks Lei, I can`t promise to understand or give a reply but will follow long !

posted September 24, 2012 05:32 PM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
Philip K Dick. The truly enlightened one
Jerome Bixby, Gene Rodenberry, HPL, RAW, Carlos Castaneda, John Baines, the writers of cult hit TV Series "Supernatural" and Terrence Mckenna too got it right on many counts but Philip got the Matrix Concept better than anyone else. He is definitely the modern Buddha.

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Absolutely on the money iQ

posted September 26, 2012 03:45 AM            

Oh Frak Me!

I wish I heeded that Lovecraft quote...

The Win...dow...

Th..e Win..dow...

“I see it—coming here—hell-wind—titan blur—black wings—Yog-Sothoth save me—the three-lobed burning eye. . . .”
~ Haunter of the Dark

posted September 26, 2012 11:21 AM            

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" Some define good as that which preserves, and evil as that which destroys; but destruction can be cleansing and purifying, for there is such a thing in both men and races as spiritual constipation, which comes from too much preservation of the status quo." ( Dion Fortune )

posted September 27, 2012 12:19 AM            

Feel free to poke massive holes in the Yeshua Hypothesis!

I guess the greatest supposition is; Did he exists at all, my theory says Jesus as we know him did not exist, Biblically... [But it would be best if one researched that for themselves]

Yet who ever wrote the Gospel of Thomas was a truly an enlightened human, a man from earth, and nothing to do with Judaism, far more in line with the Eastern Zen Philosophies

Yet someone slapped the name Jesus into it... that is truly baffling, considering the nature of the teachings in contrast to Judaism!

posted September 27, 2012 10:49 AM            

Juni - yes, i have to agree that Levi was onto something more tangible... my biggest issue is within me... the overly crtical rational part of me has a tendancy of late to get in the way... encountering too many "false prophets" is jading me i'm afraid...

Lei - no, no, won't poke holes... i can only offer my personal thoughts - which, for the most part, run parallel to yours (for now)... i can, and do, believe that there was such a man as the "historical" Jesus, not to be confused with the Biblical Jesus...i believe that this man was a great spiritual teacher - a teacher who travelled extensively and imparted what he learned at the "feet" of other great spiritual teachers on his homeward travels...
i've always had issues with the idea of his divinity - what does it really mean, to be divine?? are we not all divine being children of the same God (supposedly)? i digress...
perhaps the real question should be "does it matter"? does it matter if the Biblical Jesus is an amalgamtion of multiple persons living in an oppressive regime trying to boost the hopefullness of those around them (which btw is what i'm inclined to believe)? do the teachings suddenly change because the source they came from is not what we originally perceived? if Mary was indeed not a virgin (gasp shudder) does it make a difference? and if so, why?
Juni is right - for literallists it makes all the difference yet even they would be hard pressed to explain why...

not familiar with Philip K Dick - although i can guess he's a "science fictionist"... they kind of fall into their own category too and while they offer interesting alternatives, at the end of the day it's the same thing with different labels... which leads me to ask why are we so obssessed with putting things into neat little boxes? (i actually know why, but it's rather frustrating none-the-less)

the Gospel of Thomas - wonderful and deeply satisfying because it allows us to connect to that source... and i can/want to believe that the man named Yeshua passed on these teachings - but it doesn't ultimately matter to me if it was him or someone named Stanley the teachings are the key...

hhmm...that wasn't all that brief was it... my apologies...
on a bit of a side note - have you ever watched TED talks? if no, check it out if you can...some very very fascinating speakers...

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" Some define good as that which preserves, and evil as that which destroys; but destruction can be cleansing and purifying, for there is such a thing in both men and races as spiritual constipation, which comes from too much preservation of the status quo." ( Dion Fortune )

posted September 27, 2012 11:30 AM            

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This man was a great spiritual teacher - a teacher who travelled extensively and imparted what he learned at the "feet" of other great spiritual teachers on his homeward travels...

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It makes the most logical-rational human sense, and that has to be a measure of its worth!

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I've always had issues with the idea of his divinity - what does it really mean, to be divine?? are we not all divine being children of the same God (supposedly)? i digress...

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Ya, the Eastern Philosophies teach a more Holistic approach, the divine permeates all, not just... -Groan-... Judaisms Savior -Puke-

Gospel of Thomas is all Win! The format is exactly what you expect from Mystery School teachings from the likes of Alexandria or Zen.

You would really struggle to use them as ventriloquist dummies to say what you prefer, because there very nature leaves them subjective, removes any literal Godly power.

Instead it generally makes the reader/student God, putting all the power in your hands, not an externalized separation from God!

That is how a true master teaches!

Boom!

1) And He said, "Whoever finds the interpretation of these
sayings will not experience death."

2) Yeshua said, "Let him who seeks continue seeking until he
finds. When he finds, he will become troubled. When he becomes
troubled, he will be astonished, and he will rule over the All."

Two teachings into Thomas and he is showing you the truth about God!

Where as whats the first thing we learn in the Bible... How great some externalized douche bag with a severe case of Megalomania is!

-Shakes Head-

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have you ever watched TED talks

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On occasion ya, is there one in particular you have in mind?

posted October 01, 2012 12:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Lei_Kuei:
On occasion ya, is there one in particular you have in mind?

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errmm... the one where the guy gets up and talks for 15 minutes
seriously - can't recall specific speakers and am too lazy to go check wasn't really thinking of one in particular - although the ones given by the editor-in-chief(?) of Skeptic are good... while not actually addressing the Jesus phenonmenon one of the speakers made an interesting comment about how the less in control people feel about their lives the more likely they are to embrace "superstitions"... quite fascinating when one really thinks about what life would have been like before, during and after the Roman occupation...and sprialled much of my own thinking regarding this topic...
sorry... carry on

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" Some define good as that which preserves, and evil as that which destroys; but destruction can be cleansing and purifying, for there is such a thing in both men and races as spiritual constipation, which comes from too much preservation of the status quo." ( Dion Fortune )