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Jovian
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posted October 01, 2012 12:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jovian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by luisbunuel:
Hi Jovian, I knew someone was going to ask me if I haven't read any of the posts above mine!

I seem to have no 'hold' over the ouija board, played it for a giggle with friends at school on a makeshift board.

They were able to move the object across the board, but when I tried it, I got absolutely no response or movement from the 'spirit'...


Hi Luis. I do know what you mean. ...When I was doing it with just one other person, there wasn't any action. Other pairs could do it, but not with me. ...But one time when there were three of us at once, it got moving. ...I think part of me didn't want to see it work!

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luisbunuel
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posted October 02, 2012 04:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for luisbunuel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I did a bit of reading online; apparently the'ideomotor' effect is what makes the object move across the board without being 'pushed' by the human hand.

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geea
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posted October 02, 2012 07:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for geea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you do some research you'll see that even the most experienced psychics and occultists encountered problems in dealing with these forces. It may sound scary but it's true: spirits surround us just like air. And let's be thankful we cannot see them. I know and talked to people who deal with the spiritual/ paranormal : priests, psychics,simple people who used ouija, and even satanists. Most of the spirits you can "speak" to through ouija, are demons. Satanists use it, and they even admit that this is one of the easiest ways to interact with demons.
The ouija is just an object if u don't use it. In my opinion anything can become a medium. It's the spoken word that has the power (not the board) and you sould never underestimate it.
They can't do a single thing in the material plane, without your permission. So when people come forward and contact the spirits...well..it's like saying "hey dude,you're free to do whatever you want" and what they want isn't something you're going to like it. Or do you think that a spirit's idea of fun is staying there,obeying your requests or answering dumb questions? lol
You can't control who answers. This alone should alarm those who use an ouija. Do you know who or what are you actually calling forth? Do you think they have limits? the moment you called them or initiated the whole stuff, they take it as they have full right in getting more and more in touch with you. Concepts of answers /questions and then "bye i got what i wanted so see ya later" don't exist with them. Time,manners or civil rights simply do not exist. That's human world, the other side it's different. There's cases of those who ended up in mental institutions, or those who commited suicide, murder etc, after starting to interact with spirits.
These spirits do not rest,don't have a life. What do you think they do after you end the conversation? sorry to disppoint but in most cases they stick around. The usual way of consulting a spirit, follows a well prepaired ritual. !Serious!protection is needed, before,during and after, certain things to make sure the spirit knows he needs to leave. They need to be ordered by a higher power,something they could recognise and obey. In my opinion the only people who can interact with spirits on an equal/higher level are those who lead a pure spiritual life but they will be the first to avoid such contacts. An average person is out of the question. And by equal position I mean they should be strong enough not to let themselves be deceived! A person who lives a positive life,who can rise above the usual material urges, has a different energy. He will be able to sense the vibration of the spirit without speaking to it, and they can tell who they're dealing with.
A good spirit won't seek this kind of interaction. If they help they do it without making their presence felt too much because they know not to mix material and astral planes. We are not supposed to mess with stuff that it's out of our league and few people can do it without being harmed.
I know how it sounds, i was the first to question everything,still am, i tried some of these little paranormal "games" myself (never ouija) but somehow I felt it was wrong. We just need to listen to our intuition.

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Faith
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posted October 02, 2012 10:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You make so many good points, geea, but I'm confused because I have definitely felt spirits, and they weren't bad...they were my parents. So that's my foundation for believing that good spirits do contact people.

I don't really understand how asking is such a critical thing. Really, words can open a portal??

Not challenging you but showing my curiosity; I'd like to hear more about it if you are inclined to share more.

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geea
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posted October 03, 2012 05:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for geea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i can share but i'll deviate the topic...

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RegardesPlatero
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posted October 03, 2012 05:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The other thing, too, is that sometimes, to my understanding, evil spirits can take the guise of loved ones. So, how do you really know that a ghost is a loved one, or just masquerading? Even if a ghost is legitimately a good person, how do you really know for sure?

Part of the reason why I never mess with that stuff is wondering about that.

I just had the thought pop into my head, too: can a bad spirit make its energy seem good or neutral?

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Faith
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posted October 03, 2012 08:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@geea I'm ok with deviations.

@Platero

Well, just to explain about my comment above...

The good spirits I mentioned were definitely my parents. Each of them unmistakably passed through me at the moment of their death and made their presence known at other times.

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posted October 03, 2012 09:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for geea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can share my opinion nothing more:
I don't believe in ghosts because the spirits of the dead are asleep until the end of times; even the ones with violent deaths or "unfinished bussines". Those who are here are non-human spirits. Their job is to deceive us and deviate us,just like the angels job is to keep us on the good path. In the end we have free will. Demons are non-human spirits, therefore they have a series of powers, including taking forms, knowing future to some extent(they say something and then make it happen), knowing people's lives etc. That's why is so easy for them to tell you details from a deceased relative's life. They know everything about everything and that's why I think it's hard not to be deceived. I didn't contact the dead, but I've done some magick rituals (not summoning rituals). I abbandoned the practice,the consequences were disturbing for me and I'm not ready to share this here.
Words have power because they make something "official": just like cursing, just like making a vow, swearing on the bible etc etc...why do you think these things remained a common practice until our times when we suppose to live in the technology and science's age?
Yes we can talk to entities, yes there's mediums and psychics, some capable others not, but the real problem is not if we can communicate, it's just that we are simply no match for them. As for those who claim they talk to angels or guardian spirits...this is not a good spirit. You know why?check inside you. How does it make you feel? proud?vain? god wants us humble not proud That's how you identify good spirits from evil ones. The good ones never tickle your ego. We are not in such a flawless state to even think an angel or a pure spirit would contact us for talking. Like I said, if they help they do it very subtle. They have special missions and they can acomplish it without you being aware of it.
Let's say you decided you'll do it no matter what. You contact the spirits and they answer.
Here's a trick to check if it's a demon or not: ask him to say/write through ouija/ a prayer in the name God. He might go away or stay and quote you the Bible. The devil is the best theologist lol, but a real prayer to God, never

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Faith
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posted October 03, 2012 11:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for sharing your opinion geea. I wasn' aware that you are religious.

As I said, when my parents died, I felt them pass through me. Therefore, I believe in spirits, because that is what happened.

I understand that experience is not transferable, and I actually have no agenda to push, just stating where I am coming from.

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geea
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posted October 04, 2012 09:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for geea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
Thanks for sharing your opinion geea. I wasn' aware that you are religious.

As I said, when my parents died, I felt them pass through me. Therefore, I believe in spirits, because that is what happened.

I understand that experience is not transferable, and I actually have no agenda to push, just stating where I am coming from.


I believe in God but religious, lol far from it. I'm not capable of being truly religious even if I have faith.
anyway, i understand and i believe you about your parents and I also hope i'm wrong about what i said.
Best of luck if you decide to do the ouija thing.

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Faith
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posted October 04, 2012 10:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, I never considered doing it.

I was just interested in hearing stories and perspectives on it.

Nice talking with you.

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tuxedo meow
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posted October 06, 2012 10:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tuxedo meow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the ouji should be left alone. research ouji in books and online. you will have a hard time finding any positives. lots of 'weird' stick around stuff that is negative and unnecessary.

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RegardesPlatero
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posted October 08, 2012 06:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
@geea I'm ok with deviations.

@Platero

Well, just to explain about my comment above...

The good spirits I mentioned were definitely my parents. Each of them unmistakably passed through me at the moment of their death and made their presence known at other times.


but how do you know for sure?

are there some kinds of ways to tell if something is a human spirit or not? or ways of identifying?

(I'm honestly asking and am not being sarcastic; I've wondered, since this topic has come up here a lot recently, as to how a person can tell just exactly what kind of spirit they are dealing with).

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posted October 08, 2012 06:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by tuxedo meow:
the ouji should be left alone. research ouji in books and online. you will have a hard time finding any positives. lots of 'weird' stick around stuff that is negative and unnecessary.

I agree.

Plus, from stories I've read, people can often go insane from what they are "told" by the board, and the board often lies.

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RegardesPlatero
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posted October 08, 2012 06:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, just curious: what is it that makes the Ouija board so special--as in, that specific kind of board? Would a makeshift board do the same thing? Do boards have to be constructed in a specific way in order to work? And why?

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posted October 08, 2012 10:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lei_Kuei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
Also, just curious: what is it that makes the Ouija board so special--as in, that specific kind of board? Would a makeshift board do the same thing? Do boards have to be constructed in a specific way in order to work? And why?

You can make one out of anything really, ofc a flat surface is a must for usefulness

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PixieJane
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posted October 08, 2012 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd like it if someone were to experiment and blog about it, preferably getting others to help (and linking to each other). They could try the Ouija in different ways and in different places.

In case it needs to be said I don't just mean how most use it. We have "usual results" but what many don't seem to be getting is that there are "usual processes" at work as well. And many of the people who have negative experiences WANTED those experiences in the first place (that is they went in hoping to be scared or freaked but found once the roller coaster ride started they had to wait for it to be over before they could get off).

Using blessings, purification (using sacred techniques, including fasting), holy sites, places with all kinds of astral atmospheres (and for those really brave, places like Auschwitz), and places that range from where skeptics dominate to places like Pentecostal churches (maybe find out what's really possessing them ) might yield different results (when possible the experiments should be repeated, including with different people, for example, have 3 people, one of them with occult protections, go to 3 Pentecostals churches each).

Another interesting experiment (please share that it's going to happen before it starts!) would be to try using one at the Pentagon. While the history says that hippies were trying to levitate the Pentagon when "coincidentally" they were seized (after days of being more disruptive) & jailed I saw footage from the time that showed they were actually trying to EXORCISE the Pentagon when the authorities panicked (and have remained intrigued ever since wondering if that really was a coincidence or if someone--or some thing with power over TPTB--reacted). So I'm curious if there's be a reaction to someone pulling out a Ouija board in it (and if allowed what the results would be). Hopefully those involved don't get seized themselves by forces mundane or occult and it might be a good idea to have 2 individuals or groups, one casual and the other packing as much occult protection as possible.

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posted October 09, 2012 07:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm still curious, though: what makes the boards (Ouija or knockoffs) work?

Like, why are they drawn to those kinds of boards and not to, say, lampshades or something? What is it specifically about the board form/shape that makes it work?

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posted October 09, 2012 09:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mockingbird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My honest opinion?

Intent.

There's nothing on this earth that holds more power than that which we give it. Ouija boards, etc simply act to convince us of our own power. If we thought, really thought that a lampshade could and would be used to contact the spirit world, we could use it for that purpose.

Does that make sense?

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posted October 09, 2012 11:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lei_Kuei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
While I agree with that to a certain point, its just less useful to use a lamp...

Morse code is sloooooowww...!!

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posted October 09, 2012 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lei_Kuei:
While I agree with that to a certain point, its just less useful to use a lamp...

Morse code is sloooooowww...!!


haha

well, the lamp was a frivolous example, but my point was why does it have to be a wooden board

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posted October 09, 2012 09:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlackSeraph     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a couple things to add to this...

First the lighthearted one: One summer session in college (before I knew better, and before I had opened up to the spirit world, or at the least realized I had), someone had a ouija board. A bunch of us got together in the one dorm room, lights out, flashlight to light up the floor where we all gathered. (No candles allowed). The session went like this:

"What the... that doesn't make any sense. It's spelling gibberish..."
"Are you moving it?"
"No. Are you?"
"....pfft yeah lol".
"I don't think this thing works."
"Turn on the lights man. Ok, what parties are going on tonight?"
No repercussions to speak of. Bunch of delinquents that didn't know any better.

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Now, the more serious one:

This particular ouija board I never used. It was never used in my house either. I remembered my dad mentioning it in the past, and I had remembered seeing it in my grandmother's house. I also remember my dad had said he had destroyed it. But today, I was thinking about a lot of the misfortune that had taken place with my family, and was also reading about people's experiences (interest piqued by this thread I might add)... Here's what I found out when I took him out of the house for dinner tonight, as I needed clarifications. (There's a reason I decided not to ask him here at home):

His parents had had that ouija board back when my dad and my uncle were at least teenagers, and would take it to parties apparently. I do not know if they always "closed" the sessions with the Goodbye indicator or what not. Dad also mentioned he and my uncle, as teenagers, tried it, but dad never remembered it working for them. I will also add that apparently my grandmother had mental issues, would wander off, etc. during my dad's childhood and teenager years. They eventually apparently stopped using it and it was stored somewhere, where exactly he didn't say.

Later on, after I was born, and when I was young, dad decided enough was enough to a point, and told grandma he was taking it home with us. He tells me Mom objected. He couldn't remember if it was before or after we had been burglarized... but if I suspect the timeframe correctly, it may have coincided with the time my mom's manic-depression worsened (with a few week stint for observation in a mental health wing of the local hospital, now razed). Our misfortunes continued, and eventually she passed away in 1989. The sense I have about Mom, in retrospect, is that she may have been open, without realizing it (she was a very strong believer in Christ as I remember), and may have picked up on something my dad didn't... to our detriment.

Sometime in the early 1990's, that's all dad can remember, and the fact he was deeper into end-time prophecy and the church at this time is relevant. (His being more into the religion aspect he recalls was the primary motivator for this)... he took the ouija board, some gasoline, and went to the trash pile where he burnt the thing. He doesn't remember screaming or black smoke (beyond the gasoline-fueled fire) or anything esoteric happening. But I suspect it was about this time period that he may have been about to be or just getting involved with the psycho ex-fiancee, and I remember the later high school years not being easy either... Also, during my college years, while he put me through college ("Made too much for student loans"), the bottom fell out of his business and all but forced him into the failed attempt at bankruptcy (the lawyer sat on the paperwork and didn't file, if I recall correctly).

And in my research today, I found several instances of accounts where all hell broke loose after other boards were burnt without proper cleansing or closing or other ceremonies or what-have-you. I have strong reason to believe that this has carried over, and if I am correct about this, ... he basically destroyed a doorway without properly closing the blasted thing.

It gets better: I have felt, at times, a feeling of dread going to the bathroom late at night (it faces the burn pile and the back woods, which have their own negative energy, to the point I hightailed it out of there the one and only time I went back there after my "opening up"...) ... essentially, I felt that there was a malevolent presence somewhere towards the back woods (there were a few times I actually waited for sunrise just to take a leak, the negative energy was that strong... even my guides were apprehensive. Not cool). It would also explain why, despite putting up a barrier around my property, things kept getting in.

It also does not help that a former next-door neighbor of mine, this kid who ultimately claimed to be the Son of Lucifer (and around the point he made the claim, I was picking up strange energy around him... before the claim I didn't know what to make of it, but after that point I distanced myself. It took years to finally shake him. I now believe he was a conduit for some... not very nice stuff.) He would actually go back to those same back woods frequently with his go-kart... and to get there,he had to drive through our yard (without dad's permission). ...right past the burn pile where the board had been burnt years before. Strangely enough, I don't think he and his family had moved in next door until after the board had been brought to our house, which raises more questions in my mind. I suspect he may have picked up on the energies of the (improperly?) destroyed board, and if there was any veracity to his claims, may have taken advantage.

And, if that weren't enough, who here has heard of the Hyperdimensional Resonator? Well, long story short, Dad had ordered one of those units from the Internet, and lo and behold, as I was questioning him about the board's history, I also felt compelled to ask if he ever activated this resonator outside. He did. And from what I've read, if this device is used in a negative energy area, it can open up to some serious nasty s***. And... he used it in the back yard. Not at the burn pile, but in my view, close enough. It was bad enough when he used it inside this house that there was massive amounts of chaotic energy, to the point he would try to sneak trying it, and I would pick up on it the moment I walked into the house. If my theory is right, this just exacerbated the problems.

While a lot of this thought is in retrospect, it makes the most sense of anything I've got to make sense of my past history. It may seem off the wall, but my senses tell me I'm not far off the mark.

And the best part is, I think some very negative entities have come through whatever gateway has been opened. I'm hesitant to name names of what's coming up upon reflection, for concern of needlessly giving power. But the one name is commonly known (the other two are similar to commonly known names). The other thing that comes to mind is the phrase "generational curse". I'm not sure how valid that is, but ... I had to put it out there.

At any rate, it explains why I've felt the entire property, the entire land around our property actually, feels like it needs an high-level exorcism. At least, to me it does. The fact that we were forever getting water in the basement even before he brought the damn board here doesn't help matters (hence, from my senses, the negative water energy here before the board is factored in).

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posted October 10, 2012 12:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlackSeraph     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In the two hours since posting my findings, I have experienced:

- A thickening of the air... similar to psychic attacks from before, but not this close-range.
- I held out my hands, imagining a shield around myself. The walls of my room, normally peach-colored (I didn't pick the color) turned sickly yellow for several moments. I immediately uttered a request for assistance from the Creator, and in my mind's eye could see a column of white light descend over the house. I also visualized heavy armor and a shield upon myself as well.
- Walking out to the kitchen (cautiously), could hear my guides say not to look out the window towards the burn pile. I complied. However... in my mind's eye, I could see what appeared to be a dark violet, fiery or misty vortex, and definitely a being there. Malevolent, taunting me. The sense was, not too thrilled that I had discovered that he's been around for awhile. Flowing dark greenish hair... tall. 7 foot 6 if I had to assign an earthly height estimate. Pale skin. I may as well as say it: The name that came to mind... "Azazel." lovely.
- Immediately afterward, I can't say I've seen that many angelic beings come down with swords drawn in my mind's eye in such a long time. I also saw several large dragons of varying colors appear in my mind's eye... also taking up a defensive stance against the entity in the vortex. They were working with the angelic beings. The demon, as I am now absolutely convinced this was, disappeared. But the essence of his portal remains.
- The sense also persists that I won't be alone tonight, in terms of having protectors.

This experience of the last couple hours since I've done my research into my family history cements it for me: Don't burn a ouija board unless you've taken all, and I mean... ALL... precautions. Especially if you don't know ALL of the particular board's history.

I almost don't want to sleep, but know I have to.

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posted October 10, 2012 01:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PhoenixFire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good night, Black Serah...I hope the entity leaves your property in peace. After reading all these accounts, am feeling very blessed that nothing bad happened the few times I used the board.

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posted October 10, 2012 05:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for luisbunuel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gosh! You are so brave! I would have moved out and found somewhere else to live!

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