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Topic: Roles and soul ages
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Twirl Knowflake Posts: 3438 From: Europe Registered: Mar 2013
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posted April 09, 2013 04:08 PM
Hi, Anyone heard of the Michael Teachings? It describes that each soul 'signed up' for a certain role in life. Also soul age of people are taken in account. How do you feel about soul ages and 'soul group'-roles? For a test which role you are (could be) http://www.michaelteachings.com/personality_role.html Short description: Warriors are persuasive, single-minded doers, often with a hearty sense of humor, and sometimes, the subtlety (and strength) of a Mack truck. They seek challenge. Kings are warriors' large-picture counterparts. They are charismatic leaders, organizing others to action, sometimes in a tyrannical manner. They seek mastery. Scholars, rather than being oriented toward doing, are a resource for others. They study and assimilate, intellectually or otherwise. Sometimes, they are overly theoretical and distanced from life. They seek knowledge. Artisans create what is new, whether in art, hairstyles, or carburetors. They are often warm and playful, sometimes self-deceptive and artificial. They seek originality. Sages express and communicate. They are witty, friendly, entertaining, and sometimes loud and verbose. They seek insight. Priests inspire others through their compassion and vision. They sometimes get carried away and take too much on faith or try to force their beliefs on others. They seek what is highest. And servers support and nurture others, sometimes in a self-denying and victimized way. They seek the well-being of all.
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BlackSeraph Knowflake Posts: 461 From: PA, USA Registered: Aug 2011
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posted April 10, 2013 12:38 AM
Intriguing... I seemed to have high scores for Artisan, Warrior and Scholar (10 each), but slightly edged out by Sage (at 11). King and Priest had potential (8).Somehow, Server didn't make the cut (only 3). I'd say I'm a composite role, but not so prone to be selfless. (I've been burnt a lot and seen a lot of hypocrisy among other "should-have-been servers" in my time that probably jaded my view). IP: Logged |
PixieJane Moderator Posts: 4101 From: CA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted April 10, 2013 05:54 PM
I keep getting "File Not Found." As for those descriptions, none of them fit me that well, but closest would be Warrior & Sage, with emphasis on the former in my teen years and on the latter after 25. I'm generally cynical of classifications for the soul, however. How does one classify a soul? Astrology seems the closest one can do for that. Besides, I've noticed they're arbitrary terms for many who rely on them who compliment with one as a reward for cooperation and agreement (sorta mutual ego stroking) and a bad term as punishment. For example, one new ager called me an Indigo, and the description fit, but when I demonstrated the Indigo trait of challenging rigid authority (in this case hers) I was instantly demoted to "new soul." IP: Logged |
Twirl Knowflake Posts: 3438 From: Europe Registered: Mar 2013
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posted April 11, 2013 02:47 AM
quote: Originally posted by PixieJane: For example, one new ager called me an Indigo, and the description fit, but when I demonstrated the Indigo trait of challenging rigid authority (in this case hers) I was instantly demoted to "new soul."
Lol, yes, I get your point. I'm not sure also. They channel. And Michael is in this case a soul group providing insight. Here's another link. If you scroll below you can click on the test. http://www.michaelteachings.com/roles_index.html quote: Originally posted by BlackSeraph: Intriguing... I seemed to have high scores for Artisan, Warrior and Scholar (10 each), but slightly edged out by Sage (at 11). King and Priest had potential (8).Somehow, Server didn't make the cut (only 3). I'd say I'm a composite role, but not so prone to be selfless. (I've been burnt a lot and seen a lot of hypocrisy among other "should-have-been servers" in my time that probably jaded my view).
I scored highest on Sage. Low on warrior and server. I think it's interesting too. They also work with twin flame material and so called overleaves and modes you choose to benefit your soul development. IP: Logged |
Jovian Knowflake Posts: 598 From: US Registered: May 2012
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posted April 14, 2013 09:42 PM
The Michael "roles" and other categorizations are complicated. When I first became interested in the concept, I assumed I was a "king." I certainly was dwelling in that type of energy at the time, and healing apparent past lifetimes as a leader. A "channeled" reading I got a few years ago has me as a Sage. Then there are other nuances, if you get into it. My "Casting," according to the reading, was Priest. My "Cadence" was King. My "Greater Cadence" was Artisan. Don't ask me what those terms mean, as I didn't feel that drawn to get that far into those intricacies of the teachings. Something about my position in my soul group casts a role, a flavor if you will; and then each group has a role. So, yes--we are all composites of several roles, in a way. I do continue to find the soul age paradigm helpful in understanding not only myself, but others.
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Twirl Knowflake Posts: 3438 From: Europe Registered: Mar 2013
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posted April 19, 2013 07:23 AM
quote: Originally posted by Jovian: The Michael "roles" and other categorizations are complicated. When I first became interested in the concept, I assumed I was a "king." I certainly was dwelling in that type of energy at the time, and healing apparent past lifetimes as a leader. A "channeled" reading I got a few years ago has me as a Sage. Then there are other nuances, if you get into it. My "Casting," according to the reading, was Priest. My "Cadence" was King. My "Greater Cadence" was Artisan. Don't ask me what those terms mean, as I didn't feel that drawn to get that far into those intricacies of the teachings. Something about my position in my soul group casts a role, a flavor if you will; and then each group has a role. So, yes--we are all composites of several roles, in a way. I do continue to find the soul age paradigm helpful in understanding not only myself, but others.
Nice! Would you recommend a channeling? I read about the overleaves too. It does look rather complicated, but I can imagine it can give a better understanding. IP: Logged |
Stawr Moderator Posts: 2743 From: N. America Registered: Nov 2010
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posted April 21, 2013 10:41 AM
Scholar and Sage 11 Artisan 8 King 5 Warrior 3 (this is one I wish I was, but I'm not haha) Server 2 Priest 1
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Twirl Knowflake Posts: 3438 From: Europe Registered: Mar 2013
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posted April 21, 2013 01:49 PM
quote: Originally posted by Stawr:
Warrior 3 (this is one I wish I was, but I'm not haha)
Lol. Well... For what it's worth: scholars and sages sound really cool. They can hold a conversation AND make you laugh. Excellent!
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Stawr Moderator Posts: 2743 From: N. America Registered: Nov 2010
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posted April 21, 2013 11:41 PM
haha thanks, I feel betterIP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 38982 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 22, 2013 12:45 PM
Will do this later.IP: Logged |
Lei_Kuei Moderator Posts: 1075 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 22, 2013 06:45 PM
quote: For example, one new ager called me an Indigo, and the description fit, but when I demonstrated the Indigo trait of challenging rigid authority (in this case hers) I was instantly demoted to "new soul."
Lmao! ------------------ You can't handle my level of Tinfoil! ~ {;,;} IP: Logged |
Jovian Knowflake Posts: 598 From: US Registered: May 2012
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posted April 23, 2013 08:47 PM
quote: Originally posted by Twirl: Nice! Would you recommend a channeling? I read about the overleaves too. It does look rather complicated, but I can imagine it can give a better understanding.
FYI: Just take the "s" off of "htmls" in the initial link, and it will work, to take the role test. Hi Twirl. I'm glad you brought up the topic. I do find some use in the Michael info, as I said.
...If you feel you have grasped enough of the concepts in Michael terms, then I'd think you'd find a reading valuable, yes. What I mean is that the report, if it is like mine, will give info in the Michael parlance, so you would have to know what is meant when the report states... Soul Age : Old 2. Manifesting: Old 1-2 Role : Sage Casting : Priest Cadence : King Greater Cadence : Artisan Side : Love Essence Twin : Scholar Task Companion(s) : Artisan Goal : Flow Mode : Power Attitude : Spiritualist Centering : Moving part of Intellectual Center Chief Feature(s) : Stubbornness, Greed, Impatience, Martyrdom Body Types : Mercurial/Venusian/Lunar 45/40/15 Frequency : 41 Male / Female Ratio : 57/43 Grand Cycles : 12 # Lifetimes : 177 Cadre/Entity : 5/7 As you can see, there is much info to utilize here, for potential insight about oneself, if you care to delve into the various concepts. I certainly didn't get deeply into much of it, myself. Then there is enticing info such as this, that your reading might include.... Essence Twin Info: Discarnate. Many past lifetimes shared; more than average. Much resonance/memories based on these intensive experiences. At this time there is little astral contact because of a project this fragment is involved in, but up until about 10 years ago there was much more. Task Companion Info: Incarnate female. Living in eastern Europe. Plans to meet are in planning stages at this point. You would know this fragment by her high piercing laugh and the amount of information that comes through her eyes. She presently is involved in spiritual pursuits, so a workshop or conference could be planned that would give you an opportunity to interact. Together you have banded with other duos to work on a project involving interspecies communications. ---------------------------------------------- ...According to Michael teachings, many people's "essence twin," if you subscribe to the idea, is discarnate (i.e., not here when you are!). Also, some people have no essence twin. I can't say that I've been consciously aware of any non-physical connection with anything resembling an "essence twin" in earlier years. However, it was indeed about ten years before this reading that I started contemplating the idea of "soul mates," and wondered about my own, if there were such a thing. At that time, I started reflecting and yearning for someone I'd known years earlier, and I realized the connection we'd had in previous lifetimes. At this time, I don't believe she was a one-and-only "essence twin," but maybe my strong feeling was me craving that other discarnate "twin?" Not sure, but intimate relationships have been a source of struggle and deep learning about myself. I have ever craved a deep, all-encompassing bond with someone, that has seemed elusive and not meant to be. I have had to process a lot of karma, this time around, wherein I've had to heal a lot within myself. ...Haven't met that supposed "task companion" yet, and run off to communicate with other species (I got this channeling almost three years ago). ...I'll post it here, when/if I ever do! Yes, the reading is enticingly specific to each individual. ...Measurements such as my "soul age" and my Male/Female ratio pretty much jibed with what I'd already assessed about myself, so I do think there is at least some validity to the reading and usefulness in the concepts. ---------------------------------------------------- ...Of course, there are several different people who perform such channelings, and you are bound to get differences in the information. For example, here are channelings of the Overleaves and some soul ages of various celebrities, and there are clearly different assessments for many of them, when more than two channels are indicated. http://www.michaelteachings.com/celebrities.html I'd say it therefore seems difficult to pinpoint one's precise role, when you account for the various other overleaves and castings, etc. that also account for one's energy, according to the Michael paradigm. ...I would at least agree that those that don't show up in my reading -- Server, Warrior, Scholar -- would indeed be at the bottom of the list, of how I conceive of myself. Though...I think the role of one's essence twin can affect you...and I can see how "Scholar" (supposedly my essence twin) energy is appealing to me.
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Twirl Knowflake Posts: 3438 From: Europe Registered: Mar 2013
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posted April 28, 2013 02:19 AM
quote: Originally posted by Jovian: [b]FYI: Just take the "s" off of "htmls" in the initial link, and it will work, to take the role test. Hi Twirl. I'm glad you brought up the topic. I do find some use in the Michael info, as I said.
...If you feel you have grasped enough of the concepts in Michael terms, then I'd think you'd find a reading valuable, yes. What I mean is that the report, if it is like mine, will give info in the Michael parlance, so you would have to know what is meant when the report states... [/B]
Thanks for your feedback! That's really helpful! I did read up on it, but I'm not familiar with all the concepts (like cadence, etc.) I am expecting that the 'twin' will be a scholar (and most likely not here), because I really love taking up information. I contemplated on a reading to get more understanding between the difference in soul ages, because I'm often 'off tune' with the majority which can be annoying. Especially in work. (although I already found a way in dealing with it, i.o.w.: it's okay, we all just think differently and I'll share when I think people are open to it and otherwise just enjoy the other things we have in common, lol) Thanks again for your information. It really gives me a good depiction of what a reading would contain! IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 38982 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 29, 2013 11:27 AM
I edited the link, so it will work now.IP: Logged |
Twirl Knowflake Posts: 3438 From: Europe Registered: Mar 2013
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posted April 30, 2013 02:59 AM
quote: Originally posted by Randall: I edited the link, so it will work now.
Thanks. Wasn't aware it still wasn't working IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 11673 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted February 04, 2014 08:02 AM
Oh I just saw this now.I actually had a Michael chart done once, and looked through it just yesterday coincidentally. It had me categorized as level 7 mature Scholar with influence of the Priest and minor influence of King. to be honest I donīt quite know how I feel about the Michael charts, as I am generally not very convinced of channelled messages.
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Twirl Knowflake Posts: 3438 From: Europe Registered: Mar 2013
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posted February 04, 2014 11:02 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: Oh I just saw this now.I actually had a Michael chart done once, and looked through it just yesterday coincidentally. It had me categorized as level 7 mature Scholar with influence of the Priest and minor influence of King. to be honest I donīt quite know how I feel about the Michael charts, as I am generally not very convinced of channelled messages.
Oh excellent! I think this one of few messages where I filled in to receive an email when someone answers. Otherwise I would have found out weeks later. Thanks Ceri! So interesting! Aha, scholar & level 7 I can feel that emperor in you!!! Did it give you some aha-moments when you had it done? I recently found a book about it quite accidentally in my language! (which I bought). I still want to have it done. What really helped me was reading about the different perceptions of soul ages: just reading that gave me more of an 'aha, I see'-feeling & much more calmth about the non-Hierophant lifestyle... Kind of like The Hierophant versus .... (The High Priestess - Hermit? something like that). Did you get it done with someone you recommend? I have no clue about role and/or age (but it must be either mature or old). I thought I might have a very strong scholar overcast (and/or this twin isn't here), but am a Sage or Priest or Artisan (altough I don't have the patience much for the last). But it's all guess work, lol. Thanks for sharing! Hope all is well! Guess you must be quite busy lately. Byeee IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 11673 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted February 04, 2014 02:38 PM
Hi Twirl,yes, some things - suprisingly- resonated with me, even though when I asked for the reading there had been no contact established before. So the reader could not really have based it on anything she learned about me before. BTW when they are talking about twin essence, they do not mean the same thing as a Twin Flame or Twin Soul. IT seems to be a different concept. I had it done with Lin from Linsdomain (I love the animal totem pictures and posts of her btw). She didn`t use the terms overcase or cast though, so I don`t know about this. However reading up on mature age, it makes sense to me. Well she also wrote that this would be my last life as a mature age, being on the brink of an old soul or something like that (though honestly the definition of old souls in the Michael teachings sounds quite different to how people here have described it). Well for a mature soul relationships are central, but the differnces between the several levels are quite immense I thought when reading it through.
In relation to me she wrote: "In the seventh and final level, you relax from the karmic activity of the prior level and begin to teach what you have learned to the younger souls." I like that theme of relaxation. As a matter of fact I have felt all my life, as if I am "wrapping up things", cutting lose threads or untangling them, reintegrating them, and htat certainly would make sense. Maybe that is how I manage to find all these souls whom I have interesting synastry with. lol Part of the wrapping up scenario, giving the finishing touches so to speak. I apparently vibrate to a frequency of 52 and this is my 12th cycle I am in.
My Male/ female ratio is 47:53 (brings my partile and very balanced Isis-Osiris-conjunction to mind). But yes, though I DO identify with being female, even more strongly nowadays, I am certainly not typical. My role is as said a scholar, and I did score most points in scholar in this test. It makes much sense.
On the essence twin she wrote:
"An Essence Twin is a part of you, a reflection of yourself. Your Essence Twin is sometimes disincarnate and when that happens, his Role is even stronger within you. If your Twin is incarnate, sometimes you meet and become a part of each other's lives -- sometime you never meet. If you do meet, there is an instant sense of belonging and knowing. Your Twin reflects back your strengths and weaknesses. It is similar to looking into a mirror of your own soul. You don't always get along with your Twin and he/she is not always a partner. A Twin can be a parent, a sibling, or a very good friend. " She wrote that my essence twin is a Priest, but that doesn`t feel right. Interestingly I scored higher on Sage than Priest in the questionaire, too.
But anyway she also wrote "Your Essence Twin is incarnate and a male. You have already met your Twin in this lifetime. "
So have I? Anyway, I said Priest doesn`t sound right, it doesn`t sound right on the basis of what I read on this website, but her explanation of the Priest-role, resonates somewhat with me.
"The essence of the priest role is compassion and the ability to serve others by inspiring them. They are driven to achieve a higher good and are often natural healers. They tend to be visionaries and often involved in a number of projects at the same time. Sleep is a waste of time for them. They go through their cycle of lifetimes faster than the other roles because of their intensity. " As for my task companion, he apparently has the role of the King, and is incarnate, but we are not destined to meet for he is busy with his own projects. My Goal: Flow
"This is a lifetime of rest. To allow life to flow easily and effortlessly in order to rest. This is usually chosen by souls who have had a number of intensely karmic lives before this one. " It also warns though to not resist the flow and thinking of oneself as unworthy or underachieving but just let the flow happen. Sometimes things ARE as good as they seem. lol This really strikes a chord with me, as even as a kid I remember thinking: How can I be feeling well, cared for, healthy and happy, if others suffer? Chief obstacle: Impatience No, that doesn`t resonate with me at all. My Mode: Perseverance Yeah, If I am good at something,t han that, sometimes maybe to my detriment even.
Attitude is: Pragmatist Hmm, not quite. Maybe a little bit.
my Center: instinctive This would mean reacting impulsively, sometimes irrationally, and being close to the primal source and urges. But I don`t quite see it in me. Actually I would need a good dose of this I think.
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Twirl Knowflake Posts: 3438 From: Europe Registered: Mar 2013
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posted February 05, 2014 05:58 PM
This is so very interesting! Especially the feeling of 'wrapping up'. I want to get one even more now, lol. I never heard of her site. Oh, I thought twin essence was similar? I have to start reading that book I bought Flow goal sounds nice What's a 12th cycle? Thanks for sharing! IP: Logged |
Twirl Knowflake Posts: 3438 From: Europe Registered: Mar 2013
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posted February 19, 2014 08:50 AM
Finally had it done... Now kinda wish that I didn't, because I now feel like I put myself 'in a box' & it annoys me cause apparently I'm not fully manifesting yet & I do take it more serious than I think I should. Instead of it giving insight, I now feel that 'i haven't put enough effort in. Sooo... Wise lesson for me, don't put yourself in a box Anywaaayyy.... Artisan, mature level 5, Scholar essence twin, growth goal. Little creator me, buy the book soon, lol. Oh & Ceri, apparently we almost vibrate on the same frequency... I had 53. (Bzzzz ... Bzzzz....)IP: Logged |
SDragon Moderator Posts: 251 From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Registered: Sep 2012
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posted March 25, 2014 10:23 PM
I had this done 6 years ago since I'm always interested in things that can help me discover about myself.Old Soul - 3 (Introspection) Vibration - 54 Male/Female - 44/56 Cycles - 11 Role - Priest Obstacle - Greed Goal - Submission Essence Twin - Artisan Task Companion - Warrior Twirl: A cycle is like a life-cycle from Baby Soul to Old Soul, but the type of life isn't specified so it could be as a simple amoeba organism with no real emotions, and only relying on instinct to a humanoid life form embracing instinct, intuition, emotions, etc.. Each cycle has it's own purpose, I believe they say Jesus was on life cycle 14 when he was crucified. IP: Logged |
Twirl Knowflake Posts: 3438 From: Europe Registered: Mar 2013
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posted March 26, 2014 06:20 AM
Hey Sdragon, Thanks for your reply Would you say it helped you at the time you did the channeling and/or did you notice benefits of it later? As 4 me: as I wrote, in the beginning it actually felt more like a setback, because a) you will start comparing (no matter what is said about that's not what's it about & you shouldn't, etc.), but mostly I got discouraged because I apparently wasn't (am not) fully manifesting the soul age. In a way, even if it can create understanding, it also felt a bit restricting for me... What was helpful (to me) is the dividing in soul ages and what their main perspective of life is. That's just my findings thus far. IP: Logged |
Sibyl Knowflake Posts: 409 From: Uranus Registered: Dec 2010
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posted March 26, 2014 07:43 AM
I loved this one! Ticked all the boxes on King, HA... Quite a few boxes on Warrior too... I guess it reflects the fact that my ambition for power is through the roof. IP: Logged |
Twirl Knowflake Posts: 3438 From: Europe Registered: Mar 2013
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posted March 26, 2014 12:45 PM
quote: Originally posted by Sibyl: I loved this one! Ticked all the boxes on King, HA... Quite a few boxes on Warrior too... I guess it reflects the fact that my ambition for power is through the roof.
Apparently I have a King task companion. Hello buddy! lol. Then again the king is supposed to be busy with his own karma this lifetime IP: Logged |
Sibyl Knowflake Posts: 409 From: Uranus Registered: Dec 2010
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posted March 26, 2014 05:40 PM
quote: Originally posted by Twirl: Apparently I have a King task companion. Hello buddy! lol. Then again the king is supposed to be busy with his own karma this lifetime
Hello friend! It's really nice to meet another King, doesn't happen often! Allot of people put on a front and probably think they are the king of everything, but I'm not buying it. This placement makes complete sense for me, however it's difficult because as great as I am at dominance, I'm still a woman. And I do NOT wish to run a partnership! When I read through the relationship descriptions between the roles I have to say; I don't just want to congregate with another king on a shaky truce! I want to be the POWER COUPLE! ^^ I need another king because I don't want to be the dominant one in relationships. I get enough power in my chosen vocation (politics). But finding a guy who is more alpha and who I can respect is difficult. What is a girl supposed to do? IP: Logged | |