posted October 20, 2015 01:56 AM            

I don't know enough about the guy (and am now curious of all the people I lost contact with in this time), just her. If she was a walk-in, then I don't think she was aware of it, and assumed the memories in her brain were real, though perhaps strange.

Before the Change, she did open herself to the astral, and I wonder if something finally broke though...

posted October 22, 2015 11:24 PM            

Leaving then, only the possibility of some esoteric element being the culprit… and while not unreasonable, it still remains the hardest to conclusively prove as being the Agent of change in the case of Subject-X.

I’m still inclined towards the Lovesickness/New Relationship syndrome because that’s the MO you are still dealing with;

For she changed (or started too) after this guy appeared/made contact, and if you really want a better understanding you simply have to look deeper into how she came in contact with our… “Subject-Y (Male)”, and his back-story (which I expect at this point is going to be difficult to accomplish).

The nature of their relationship is also a factor, like why was it a secret and was that something she normally done in the past, was there a reason for the secrecy?

Was Subject-X always how you knew her…? Was she always an Independent/Witch person or was that too a “State of Change”?

At different times I have observed people radically change personality, all of whom were highly-creative, somewhat psychic (or atleast they felt they were) and often interested in “Spiritism” of varying degrees. I feel these factors will inevitable lead one to first make contact with those closest to home in ones own Astral Region… And by that I mean… “Past-Lives”, which can often manifest in a dramatic personality change to the point of it almost being a type of Schizophrenia.

^^While I have seen the above become a temporary state of mind, it usually “goes back in the box” after a short while, yet the new personality can gain much hold over the “host” IF another person in proximity (for example perhaps our Subject-Y) was the trigger of bringing up that Past life, for he can keep triggering it awake in Subject-X indefinitely, especially if your friend was wilfully allowing this because of such feelings of “Love” or “Loyalty” (or any other strong emotional link such as Fear or Hate) to this man.

Honestly… that’s about as esoteric as I’m willing to explore, and even then it’s not exactly a bullet proof diagnosis of what may have happened to your friend.

Yet with regards to her change being the result of an Astral Retro/Virus, again I don’t feel such is impossible, but the only hope you have of discovering the possibility of this being true is to investigate from that same POV…

^^Now that’s real tricky because, “You” will have to open yourself up to such realms of exploration and that might not be advisable… (The concept of exploring/examining this case via dream’s, similar to what you have said with regards to As Above So Below & Lucid Instances)

Currently though, on this occasion Pix, I feel like I have to play the part of Scully to your Mulder…

Because sometimes in life we reach for the unexplainable when we cannot accept the reality we are left with facing. And without fully understanding all of the physical world dynamics that may have changed Subject-X and that of Subject-Y… you cannot nullify the possibility of her just being lost in the matrix of a normal human relationship.

^^And that IS terrifying, the fact that something so mundane and an everyday occurrence can cause such effects… and yet it is also quite common, but not always at such extreme levels as you have mentioned here.

But as a counterpoint to my above reasoning, I would say I find the idea of an Astral-Virus to be quite unnerving… and therefore forcing ME to cancel out such options until all others have been properly explored, because the biggest problem in this situation is the lack of evidence one way or the other…

Anyways just my opinion, I would be very interested in knowing the full history of the persons in question and the exact moment of the dramatic change, or the beginning of such… only then could you hope to piece together this mystery.

Only after examining all of that data and still coming up with nothing that “fits”, then maybe I’d consider opening up an X-File, until then… I’d keep exploring such via fiction and who knows what answers/revelations may turn up, since it was your fiction that seems to be the strongest esoteric link in this particular case.

The truth is “in there” I feel

posted October 23, 2015 03:01 PM            

And this silence is her life
Falling fast into the dark November sky
Over voices she shall cry
Soundless screams are felt before the sun can rise

Hear her voice as strong as steel
Speaking long dead names to keep the evening still
In her heart rests all of time
Trapped for now in faith that death is still alive

To the fields and seas again
Without sight we wander through the haze of this dark land

In a dream she gently cries
In a tear her story falls to find the floor
And she speaks before she goes away
"Carry on my friend, but leave me not alone"

'Til the reign of sleep again
Without sight we wander through the haze of this dark land
To the fields and seas again
Without sight she wanders trough the haze of this lost land

posted October 23, 2015 06:15 PM            

And I know you don’t want the thread to just be about Subject-X, and would prefer comparisons with other people’s experiences of the same occurrences but again… It’s hard for someone to make an assessment of situations they have witnessed with people changing dramatically… without being able to string together the series of unfortunate events leading up to that.

But ok then, lets atleast try and explore it more esoterically;
Just let me switch character for a moment;
(Removes Strawberry Blonde wig )

(“Walk’s in” to the Psi-Division of the Bureau where Dr Spencer Reid has been assigned while he is not busy profiling serial killers… lol)

Subject-X suffered severe trauma in her past, perhaps much of which was never healed and only repressed; And with the religious affiliations of such you could also place a marker of this being an almost “Part Astral” attack… in that the concept of God or a God being involved (or an otherworldly entity) in Subject-X’s abusive situation was a factor. A factor perhaps from “Subject-X’s” own POV…

At this point she now develops an association and fear with regards to Sex, yet what really disturbs Subject-X is that such was possibly “God’s will”… In other words, her direct contact to her version of God/Astral was fashioned through this abuse…

Layer on top of this situation… how she views the scenario of bearing children, and with this being a path to salvation for female Christians and you now have got yourself a recipe for disaster.

^^From a hacking POV… such could all be considered a massive “exploit”;

Going to RAW for a moment, the concept of just how much we log and develop modes of thinking from a very early age in our brain chemistry, which is often incredibly difficult to change once the pattern is locked in… The Astral connections, the abuse, and the trauma Subject-X suffered is all laying in wait like a Trojan Virus waiting for the right download…

Now, what does Subject-X do to counter this??

She changes into something completely different, a Powerful/Witch (Asexual), because she knows subconsciously she is carrying a deadly virus and so attempts to firewall everything off to ever prevent this situation from triggering alive again.

Great, this works just fine… with one serious problem, she was never able to delete the virus because she associates it with “God”, which she absolutely cannot EVER delete from Subject-X’s POV… What she wants to do IS to delete the virus… but in order for her to do this she knows… Oh crap, I’ll have to open myself up to “exploring” this virus…

I don’t know her age, and you could add in Astrological data/transits but basically her repression is triggered, perhaps to do with the concept of bearing children… coupled with the fact that she was feeling lonely, and no matter how strong her mind was, how powerful a “Witch” she was… her body chemistry just overrides reason even if only momentarily…

The firewall drops, for the first time in a long while she makes contact with her own repressed Virus, (this could all have happened either before she meets Subject-Y, or during contact… it kinda doesn’t matter) because what happens will be Subject-X choosing to explore this virus in an attempt at deletion.

We know little of Subject-Y, yet we can surmise that perhaps she spoke of her abuse with him… he himself could have had similar experiences to Subject-X, OR was some kind of a Psi-Vampire and “Port Scanning” for people who were flagging “exploits”… (Lets assume he IS a Psi-Vampire… as such does not require the personality of “Christian Grey”).

^^Now… not only did your friend flag as vulnerable but she was also carrying a virus that Subject-Y may have been unaware of…

Yet from Subject-Y’s POV… the “virus” is more akin to a “backdoor” into Subject-X’s psyche even if he himself has to traverse the precipice of the trauma stemming from her earlier abuse… but depending on his skill level and the strength of his own firewalls such can still be exploited quite easily….

And given how he gained control over Subject-X’s actions thereafter it’s reasonable to assume he succeeded (Or an Entity pigging backing on him did… but that’s going into some even crazier POV’s).

But it’s what happened before she changed that is boggling my mind, like how did this guy do this to Subject-X … or what did she do to let this happen???

I expect though, that some of the first times they were intimate (actual sex is not required… yet such is basically a straight up hack (sex)) would have been the major turning point… for Subject-X could have literally reverted back to her old memories during the “act”… in an attempt to delete the virus and was basically using this Psi-Vampire to buffer the trauma or even Retroject it into him as means of getting rid of that same trauma… In her mind, momentarily HE/Subject-Y becomes “God” (even if Subject-Y is not aware of what your friend was doing)…

^^Subject-Y is NOW the virus “incarnate”, a physical representation of Subject-X’s own trauma… it’s been copied/duplicated into Subject-Y… and who knows what was duplicated copied into her from him… because during Sex (especially under such conditions… we are talking MAJOR energy/data transfer… and again such will flag in the realms of As Above so Below)…

Now Subject-X is literally… screwed, because she enjoyed it… So much in fact that she believes Subject-Y will save her, grant her that “repressed” need for salvation that was cruelly implanted in her when she was younger. And so she proceeds to recreate her reality around what Subject-Y demands of her…

The true virus… was that which was inflicted upon Subject-X via her religious experiences/abuse, you can call that an “Astral Retro Virus” and I feel such would be accurate since it’s a belief in something “outside” of oneself in some other realm of reality… be that God, Angels, Demons or Lizard Men… which can just gather enough collective energy to become a concept that gains control over a persons faculties.

For she had already been hacked into when she was younger… and Subject-Y perhaps even accidentally or maliciously Kiddie_Scripted Subject-X… (You can say he had help from perhaps his own dealings with “outside entities” but such is not always necessary)

It’s unfortunate, because had Subject-Y been of a healing mindset, there would have been a moment during the first time they had sex for him to delete the virus wholesale if he knew what he was doing (which is actually what she wanted/hoped would happen) but the stupid ******* decided to take control of her instead by allowing it to be copied onto himself so he could hack Subject-X indefinitely.

You really have no chance of turning/deprogramming your friend as long as that guy remains in proximity to her.

As regards to you yourself wanting to explore what happened to your friend in how her personality changed (regardless of the process of how such occurred) and then be “deprogrammed” just to gain a better understanding…

^^The safer bet would be taking the position of a Subject-Y (Hacker) so you can actually observe a Subject-X (just saying… lol), Programmers/Hackers make the best firewalls… because they see exactly how to get around them.

Though I’d be especially wary of exploring either option in an attempt to better understand this scenario, though one interesting aspect might be to hack into someone, then deprogram them afterwards and observe both the “Hack/Virus” and what was required to un-hack/reboot them. (I’m curious about such myself actually… My Pisces Mercury / Trine Pluto lol…)

Makes me think of the movie “Inception” which was essentially what they were doing to people… but in a much subtler even more subversive way…! Where an idea itself becomes a self activating hack that reprograms a persons entire mindset!

Though the tragedy of what happens to Cobb/DiCaprio’s wife as a result… is the true dangers of such things…

So… perhaps you should stick to exploring this via fiction is my advice;

posted October 24, 2015 01:32 AM            

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I was asking about, "major personality changes that are so severe that it's no longer the same person, and no reason for such a change is evident."

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I kinda don't understand, I mean there HAS to be a reason and I guess that's what interests me personally... discovering a reason for such changes...

I've given two possibilities (that you could apply to anyone, not just Subject-X), excluding the love sickness. Which is that of the schizophrenic PL’s or some kind of Psi-Vampire hack/exploit.

Each with tentacles leading to the possibility of an external force based on past religious experiences, dabbling in the occult... or ALL of the above.

Beyond that, you are heading into straight up Lovecraftian territory, for all we know Subject-X might have opened up a portal (accidentally or purposely) to another dimension and was body snatched that way, Or a person could tap into some Astral realms and the Shadownrun [G.O.D] or Matrix Police just mind wiped her for the intrusion… and one can speculate about these types of situations endlessly…

^^That’s why I think you really should explore this more via fiction. Since you have posted on occasion that you feel like you are channelling elements of your stories, so how about writing a another short story that explores this very concept? Your own mind may simply hack/tunnel a way to the answers you are looking for with regards to these Body Snatchers…

Though reading the other thread on this forum, (Disturbing Thoughts) http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/004901.html

What you said there, and what was said by others… is just as relevant here?

posted October 26, 2015 05:22 PM            

I do remember hearing something about Saddam's plans to rebuild whatever device Nebuchadnezzars used at one point in time to contact the Gods...

Guess Bush took that pretty seriously huh...