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peace
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From: Honolulu,HI
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posted November 14, 2005 04:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for peace     Edit/Delete Message
Me and husband love Animal Planet."Animal Cops" is our favorite.Since we both love dogs,we were thinking whether or not to buy an adopted dog from the ASPCA.From what I've read that if you decide to adopt a dog,you'll never know it's temperament because it's mixed breed.There is are two local dog shelters.The first is the Hawaii Humane Society.Second,is the Hawaii Dog Foundation which is a no-kill dog shelter.I've been to the Humane Society and saw a variety of mixed breeds.I feel sorry and yet scare of them because of them being mixed.Don't get me wrong,but when you go there,they have this look in their eyes that says "Beware!".Purebreds.I've seen many of them at dog shows and they're more friendlier that the shelter dogs.However,I appreciate all the hard work that both breeders and shelter workers do.One question.Should I buy an adopted dog or a purebred dog?.

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geminstone
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From: Golden, CO
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posted November 14, 2005 04:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for geminstone     Edit/Delete Message
I would not put the choice between 'mutt' or, 'purebred'. The bigger issues of adoption, rarely change much, if applied to both. That said, not all of the animals in a Shelter facility, are brought there by the Animal Cops. Some are there by surrender and, it can be difficult to detect their tempermental difference, from that of a rescued animal. If your local Shelter operates in a similar way as those that I have in my area then, you should have the opportunity to go either, outside or, into a room that gives a bit more solitude from the main kennel area. This can be the small peek into what their natural disposition is like but, it depends largly, on whether or not, the animal has suffered any kind of human abuses. The Shelter will have infomation. Of course, the longer they've been there will provide this more or less.... usually there is a quarentine period, the animals are held in, in the event that they have a family out there who is searching for them. My best advice is to be very patient and open, be it adoption or, not. If you approach this event, without expectations, fear or, compulsiveness, then the choice of who comes home, can only be good and right, for all involved. Hope you are found and blessed ~

~ geminstone

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Gemini Nymph
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posted November 14, 2005 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemini Nymph     Edit/Delete Message
What in the world? You need to educate yourself better before you get a pet. Mutts often are better pets than purebreed dogs, because purebreeds are bred for either showing or profit.

Those that breed for profit often don't care so much about genetic lines and health, so you can virtually count on getting an inferior animal that may not be properly socialized as a puppy or could have transmutable diseases or very serious genetic problems. Some of these are individual breeders while others are "pupply mills" (which supply pet stores - don't ever buy a dog from a pet stores, even if they come with papers).

When a breeder who breeds for show has a litter, there are show-quality puppies that they either keep or sell for premimum prices and pet-quality puppies that don't meet show standard. The problem is while often times pet-quality purebreed do make fine pets, dedpending on the breed, you may be getting an animal with inferior conformation or genetic problems that don't show up until adulthood. Do to so much interbreeding Many purebreed dogs have serious genetic problems that can cost you lots of $$$ in vet bills down the line.

An list of genetic problems common among various breeds (all due to interbreeding):

- Hip problems (mostly medium-large to large breeds like dalmatians, labs and great danes. Hip surgery to fix these problems usually cost from $800 and up)
- Knee problems (nearly all breeds, but especially small and toy breeds. Hip surgery on a toy dog whilel run about $500 for one knee. It's a lot more for a larger breed)
- Eye problems (mainly those small Asian breeds with the bulging or over-sized eyes, but also all varieties of bulldogs, chihuahuas, dalmatians, and some spaniels, among others. Sometimes these cannot be fixed with surgery, and if they can is very expensive)
- Sinus problems (any breed with a shorten face/muzzle, but especially toys. These are usually chronic problems)
- Various digestive and other organ problems (toys, bulldogs, bloodhounds and other breeds with compact bodies, among others. Most of these problems cause the dog a lot of suffering, can be chronic and cost enormous amount in vet bills)
- skin problems/allergies (shorthair and hairless breeds often, but most purebreeds can develop these)
- Breed-specific cancers (German shepherds, labs, and dalmatian are the most common, but not the only ones)

And this is just the genetic problems - we're not talking about the specific traits of certain breeds that may make them a problem pet! Bear in mind that over half the breeds were bred to work or perform specific duties, like guard, herd or protect. In some of these breeds these traits make a dog a difficult housepet, because these traits are bred into the dog and thus part of its nature and cannot be "trained out" of the dog.

To give you an idea what this is like for the owners: My mom has two dogs, a mixed mutt and a yorkie. The mixed mutt has been in prefect health for all of her 8 years so far, except for a sprained back muscle once. The Yorkie, which came with papers and the whole shambang, has cost my mom thousands of dollars in vet bills in the 4 years she had her: throat problems, stomach problems, skin problems, cysts and 2 knee surgeries.

Getting a mutt is no guarentee that the dog hasn't inherited these purebreed problems, but because mutts often come for a more varied genetic pool, they chances are actually better. You also get an animal that isn't specifically bred for a specific task, so its personality and behavior is often more trainable to being a family pet.

But hey it's you're money, your home, your time and your sanity. I admit I'm very biased - I am not a big fan of the current state of dog breeding in general. If you still want a purebreed dog, however, I would strongly urge you to look into breed rescues - these are organizations that specialize in rescuing a specific breed and often time you get an animal whose history is known.

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lotusheartone
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From: piopolis, quebec canada
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posted November 14, 2005 12:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message
thee best case scenario
is to get a puppy

if you adopt, you must really know dogs in general, there can be no fear, they sense this
you are the master, they are like children in some respects, they'll push to get there way,
so with an adopted dog, you must be very firm, and have no fear at all,
otherwise, they have the advantage
go by how you feel, spend time with the dogs, they allow you to take them for a walk and get to know them, spend an hour and see what you think, it takes a couple of days also for your application, this gives you time to sleep on it

Peace, do you have any children?
that is a big facture.

Love and Light to ALL

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angel_of_hope
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From: Palmer, Alaska (the valley)
Registered: Jul 2004

posted November 14, 2005 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel_of_hope     Edit/Delete Message
Mutts and strays, in my opinion, have proved to be the most loyal ... they are so grateful to be taken in and taken care of. I've always had adopted animals, never bought a purebred or animal from a pet shop, whether it be cat or dog. I dont want to encourage the sale of highly expensive animals ... i'd rather save a life.

My dog was a rescue ... she is a mix of sorts (not sure what) but shes the best friend i never had. She's not even a year old and has had some complications with her elbow (which GN spoke of, regarding hips) it was costly ($2000.00+) but well worth every penny. I treat my animals as if they were my kids and i wouldn't have it any other way.

Either way you choose, i know the dog will be well loved and taken care of ... in which it will reward you with the same respect and love! Have fun choosing and Good Luck!!

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Nephthys
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posted November 14, 2005 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nephthys     Edit/Delete Message
Animal shelters do many behavioural tests on dogs before they put them up for adoption. If there are any behavioural issues with that dog, it will be posted with the dog's info. and you would be advised of it. Animal shelters DO know what they are doing, they are well-experienced, and have been in the business of rescuing and placing dogs for a long time.
Please note I am speaking of shelters like the ASPCA or Humane Societies, and not volunteer rescue groups. Established shelters hire experienced people that have certifications in animal behaviour or the like.
There are many volunteer rescue groups who do have experienced people who know what they are doing, but they are mostly run by volunteers who do this on a part time basis, it is not their main mode of profession, and they may not be educated in everything an established shelter is, what with proper behavioural tests and placement.
Dogs are like people; they all come with different personalities, no matter of breed, mixed or not. Do not base your choice worried about that.
It's always best to rescue a dog from a shelter than to purchase from a breeder, however, many people have always longed for a certain breed, and may desire to seek out a specific breed.
If you are a first time dog owner, you will need to enroll in some training classes. The training classes are really for us; they train us what to do, how to do it, etc.
I wouldn't recommend a puppy as a first time dog owner unless you are fully committed to going to training classes, buying books and really learning about a puppy's very important first year.

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Mystic Gemini
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posted November 22, 2005 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystic Gemini     Edit/Delete Message
I always watch those shows. Sometimes when I watch The Animal precint here in New York. I see alot of familiar neighborhoods.


I rememebr an episode form about 2 years ago. About a dog with a huge tumour hanging on its neck. I had seen the dog before in Huntspoint, The Bronx. When my friends and I were younger we use to go to car races there every weekend and I saw him there. i felt so bad.

i'm glad I saw an update on tv about him. He's doing great now

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