posted November 12, 2007 08:37 PM         

I also agree with what you said about Native peoples who respect animals and just hunt for mere survival.

I just feel that one day, when the 3rd dimension we are living in has become more evolved, humans and other animals will stop hunting each other......
and "the lion will lie with the lamb".

posted November 13, 2007 06:41 AM         

I don't enjoy being attacked like this.
What did I say that made you think I was personally trying to attack you?

If this can't be resolved, then I'll leave LindaLand so you can be free to enjoy it without me here.
I tried to take my mind off this yesterday by talking about other things on other threads, but when something hurts like this, it just won't go away. It stays with me.

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I thought the idea of genetically altering cows to produce chocolate milk was a completely far-fetched ridiculous joke. I made a dead-pan joke that voiced my irritation at our society and the fact that they probably WOULD go that far if possible.

I am just as disgusted as the next person at the way animals are caged and tortured by corporate American fast-food interests. I don't, however, think that using animals the way native Americans did is wrong. I have a balanced perspective and a grip on reality.

Do you have a job?

Do you take care of your own children and work too?

After you provide for and protect your children do you then dash off to the natural foods store with all the money you make from your job and purchase and prepare healthy and delicious vegan meals that take less time than popping in a lean cuisine? Because, if you do, then by all means educate me. If you don't, you need to stop trying to "teach" others so much and begin educating yourself.

You just stood there screaming
fearing no one was listening to you
they say the empty can rattles the most
the sound of your own voice must sooth you
hearing only what you want to hear
and knowing only what you've heard
you, you're smothered in tragedy
and you're out to save the world

misery
you insist that the weight of the world
should be on your shoulders
misery
there's much more to life than what you see
my friend of misery

you still stood there screaming
no one caring about these words you tell
my friend before your voice is gone
one man's fun is another's hell
these times are said to try men's souls
but something's wrong with all you see
you, you'll take it on all yourself
remember, misery loves company

misery
you insist that the weight of the world
should be on your shoulders
misery
there's much more to life than what you see
my friend of misery

you just stood there screaming
my friend of misery

There are many who are very much aware of the atrocities of the world... having experienced them first hand. You are going to have to demonstrate your compassion for your fellow humans if you don't want to just hurt the cause you believe in so deeply. Please don't reply to my comments anymore. I am not willing to spend my energy defending myself against your skewed views of me. I need to take care of myself so I can take care of my child and my responsibilities. I will do you the same courtesy. If you continue to attempt to coerce responses from me to suck my energy against my will, I will view you as a vampire and deal with you as such.

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posted November 13, 2007 07:05 AM         

There is a myth I know that goes "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me".

posted November 13, 2007 01:58 PM         

I think you are a good person. From my perspective it is YOU who has been continuously rude and curt with me. I JUST DO NO WANT TO DISCUSS IT WITH YOU. I am giving you this as a gift because I want you to be able to heal so you can be there for your children. I do not wish to deal with you further. We just must have a bad composite energy. That is ok. I felt in the past that I had some answers to all of the questions you kept posting so I tried to answer in my dry pontificating (patronizing)Capricornish way as I often do when dealing with subjects close to my heart (Cap MOON)... and also (since I have Cap AC) in situations like this where I am very close to giving in to the darkest part of my mind.
We don't get along. We don't understand each other. Or we think we understand each other when we don't. I don't think anything bad about you, I just don't want to BE with you. You are too high maintenance. I am "breaking up with you" so to speak. Since you haven't liked anything I have said since the very beginning, it will be no loss for you then.
I think well of you for caring about animals. I hope you go back and read this thread carefully sometime when you are not so emotional. Please do not push me again as I was very angry and sad at our exchange yesterday and I became angry again today when I read this thread. I wasn't going to respond at all but I decided that in honor of Love, I would say what I could. I did not re-read what you wrote so I won't be responding to it. If I had, I would have been too annoyed to post to you.

To me, this is a great gift to you that I even reply, and I am expecting it to be thrown back in my face as gestures like these often are. It's your choice, but what I would like to hear from you is something along the lines of: "yes, there are good things about you too, MM, but you are right, we don't "get" each other, so lets just wave or nod good-morning when we see each other "on the street" and leave it at that."

I'll check back for your reply, but I won't continue this exchange.

posted November 13, 2007 07:28 PM         

Thanks, Melody, I really appreciate it. I understand- I hate fighting too; does me no good.

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Since you haven't liked anything I have said since the very beginning, it will be no loss for you then.

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It's just a clash in the way we communicate.

But please do one thing, if you feel you can.

Please tell me what it was I wrote you took as a personal attack. I re-read what I wrote and I think you may have thought I was being sarcastic but I wasn't. It wasn't about you. It was just the world in general- how the world in general perceives animals. All I wanted to say was that your joke hurt me, I found it distasteful but that was that- I wanted to speak my mind freely and openly without hurting or offending- but just by giving honesty as friends do. Friends can disagree with each other without meaning hate toward each other. And I meant you no hate melody, I can tell you that with 100% honesty. It was not you I was angry at. It was only the joke.

But then my heart began to open up to the unheard cries of the animals. I feel them crying out to me, it is something I cannot turn away from, because I know with all my soul that I have to be one of the few to speak up for them. So few people feel the same way.

I didn't realize that you would think I was upset just because of you.

I am greatful that I came by this thread because it has woken me up again to my calling. For so long have I not been involved, telling myself that there is nothing I can do to make a difference.

And you are right- animal rights activists should think very carefully about how they get the message across.
Thank you for making me think of these things.

I was shocked when I read what you wrote. I have been going through a LOT at this present moment in time....(edited).

Well I was watching this program tonight about the "Anastasi" way to healing. As I was watching I kept getting emotional as I thought about my own life and failure. But the Native Elder said that when there is pain, it lets us know when something needs fixing. He said that we could not grow without adversity.

I need to find out how my problems can be fixed.

Likewise, if people can get to the real cause of the pain we cause each other, then we can fix it.