posted January 21, 2005 08:37 AM         

So, I wondered, did Jesus really die for our sins, or was it because of our stupidity? I mean, the movie was blatent about our stupidity, but not so much for Jesus saving us. We are so stupid to let a murderer go but whip and spit on someone claiming to be the son of God. How unevolved is this? I believe we are all children of God, and Jesus was merely helping us see this, but we didn't. We thought he was arrogant or whatever, and that he needed to be crucified, but really why? That's the million dollar question.

OK, so a church-going friend of mine tried to argue for Jesus dieing for our sins, but I asked him whether Jesus asked us to crucify him. We did it of our own volition. If you knew you were to be crucified, but that your message would last over two thousand years, and maybe START taking effect over the Earth, would you let yourself be crucified? I don't think many would, and if you did, would it be to help the sins of the people crucifying you? "Father, they know not what they do" - that line was one of the few that made sense. The devils seemed completely out of place, and the pain and suffering just made me so angry. Why should I be angry by Jesus's life? He was LOVE. Magic. Wisdom. One of the first people to take God to the people, and so we treat him like that, and they make a movie about it.

So, I ask you, did you like the movie because it reminded you of ilfe back then, or it reminded you of the suffering Jesus went through on your behalf? How do we truly benefit from him dying? I mean, his message is still out there, so we are still benefiting, but its one of those situations where someone suffers and people say "well, we learned from it" and many more are saved, but still, the suffering was so harsh. I don't work on fear, pain, or suffering. I think Love is the only truly relatable emotion felt by all. All the rest are imposed.

posted January 21, 2005 05:21 PM         

I understand your thoughts. I heard from lot of people that the movie was too theatrical. It did bring some to the faith and thats what I like about the movie. I already had faith, but I still cried reliving the drama. I remembered Isaih the prophet of Old Testament saying "But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed."

You mentioned, Jesus said "Father forgive them for they not what they do". This indicates a very very spiritual Jesus. Such men would not even curse their enemy. They only see God in each of them. How I strive to be like him? How indifferent I was all this time, in my dealings with my neighbors.

I always remember Jesus by his teachings and how he performed his miracles. If you notice his death, converted local jews and gentiles in to Christianity. It is hard for any one of us to go back in time. Do you remember how they used to bring doves and lambs. Not dead but live ones at the altar for sacrifises. This was stopped and not required because Jesus the lamb of God, himself was crucified. If Jesus was alive today and we were to ask him, what is the mission of your life on earth? I am sure he would reply I came here to "Teach".

Now his teaching include :
How to conquer death?
How to realize the divinity inside of you and let that light shine forth?
How to manifest, in any manner that you seek (flesh or light) after the resurrection.

How many of us are confident today that after we die, we would be raized up.
By following Jesus, we are ascending higher and higher spiritually, and one day, we could die and do raise our body just as him. We can manfiest as light or body anytime any where. I know it sounds like sciene fiction. But I do believe humanity is poised for a big change.
Did you ever put your hands on a broken washing machine, and asked it work? I know this sounds stupid, but I know a friend who did just that on a washing machine that was broken 2 weeks ago and it ran fine one day when he was too tired to drive and take it to a laundry mat. Its happening all over the world. I have seen cancer dissapear from X Rays. People have faith now. They are understanding their divinity better.

Creation is akin to when a gardener decides to create a Garden. He tills, sows, waters, cares for the plants. To everything theres a time. Time is itself a product of creation. In this case the gardener and his garden is time bound. But in case of our creator, time is a attribute of him/her and so he transcends it.

posted January 22, 2005 01:40 AM         

Also, I heard that in those days, the laws didn't allow anyone to be whipped more than 40 times. If they did, they believed they would Sin. And that is why the people would stop at 39.

Wonder what Mel Gibson was thinking. I heard he based his movie on St Dolorus's book. Now I haven't read it so I am not an expert.

But what I feel bad about is that I can't stand one slap or even a slap on my naked skin. I cry in pain and anger at the injustice done to me and raise my hand in return. And here is a guy not just taking slaps but even spit... Which planet is Jesus from to bear all this

posted January 22, 2005 09:44 PM         

Not once did I flinch or turn my head at the grossness, and I left there thinking "my God, I just saw this horrific film and all I'm concerned about is whether or not these things ACTUALLY happened in my Bible, and WHERE is it written in my Bible??" I went back to my hotel room, as I was on a trip, and grabbed the Gideon Bible and went to work for about 2 hours. Thing is, I was angry...I left angry, angry that He had to go through all of that, angry that He suffered so, and His mother suffered and those close to Him...angry at Judas, yet pitied him...angry at Pilate, yet pitied him...angry that noone listened to Jesus when He told His disciples that this was going to happen! Just angry! Angry at the Sanhedrins and the Jews and the Pharisees and the Gentiles and all the other people in the Bible who disregarded this wonderful man, angry at them for allowing Him to be tortured and killed...angry at their ignorance and hatred for a man who only spread love ...He loved everyone He met..even his transgressors.

So, in the past year, I've wondered alot of things about the reality of it all...and I've always considered myself to be a very faithful person, yet, like someone mentioned here, we are told to just believe it...have faith and believe...but, how can I believe something that I have no way of showing you how it worked or happened? How do you convince people that God is real and He loves us and wants us to have fruitful lives? How do you convince non believers that you are not a fanatic, yet a follower of Christ, and try to love as He did/does? How do you do that, when all these hideous things keep happening in this world?

posted January 25, 2005 04:49 AM         

Historical accuracy? Anti semitism? Lexigram ISRAEL, and cross reference it with the Lexigram for EARTHLINGS, if you want to spiral a little food for thought on that subject.

Are we missing the boat a little here?

I think that the point was to show what happens with a crowd mentality. What we are capable of doing to each other, and ultimately ourselves, as we are in fact, All One.

Jesus' mission was to show us to ourselves, at our best, worst and all that is inbetween. Truly he lived with one foot on Earth and the other in Heaven, as Linda was fond of saying. He tried to teach us that we are ALL God's children. That all the things He could do, We could do, and more things than those if we but had the Faith.

His very name is the Hebrew 4 lettered name for God (JHVH) which may be translated as meaning: That Which Was, That Which IS and That Which WILL BE. The only difference being the addition of the Hebrew letter Shin, which implies Spirit, Life Force, the Spark of God is that which is at our Center. (JHShVH) note the placement of the Shin at the Center of the Word. Some have said that the Heart Chakra is the seat of the Soul... there are 3 chakras below and 3 above, with the Heart chakra being the balancing point.

Did Jesus die for our sins? Well if not figuratvely, then certainly literally. He died because we, the people, killed Him. No?! There's a great line from a book by Katherine Kurtz: "The humans kill what they do not understand."

So, historical accuracy? I guess I wonder does it matter? Does watching the movie make you angry? Was that the point? Does it make us THINK and more importantly, FEEL? For sure! So I believe that Mel did what he set out to do. If we learn the lesson that we are meant to learn, we won't have to repeat the mistakes of the past.

(I know this is a bit rambly and tangential, but it's about 4 in the am here and I'm a wee bit tired.)

Blessings in Light...
A

posted January 25, 2005 01:17 PM         

Most people believe that Jesus rules the chakra between the brows. He guards the door to the sahaskara chakra (top of head).

He stands for knowledge. There is no better teacher than him on earth or in heaven above. It is said, that once his own father learnt a lesson from him.

I have come to know interesting facts about Jesus, I am not sure, whether I am right. So what I tried

GIA heres what relation of Jesus with Fish symbol is. Jesus Son of God abbreviated in Greek means Fish. The early underground christians drew a symbol of Fish on their doorstep. Some would draw the symbol on ground and quickly erase it when they met fellow christians

posted January 26, 2005 03:26 PM         

A correction: I did not state that Jesus was ruler of the Heart chakra. What I said was that the Heart chakra has been called the seat of the Soul.

My reference to the center, or balance point was simply that the letter Shin, was inserted into the CENTER of the Hebrew 4 lettered name for God. (YHVH often transliterated as Yahweh or Jehova). The addition of the mother letter Shin makes the new word Jehoshua or more simply Joshua, whom we have come to call Jesus.

Just wanted to clarify my statement.

Blessings...
A

posted January 26, 2005 07:35 PM         

I was very late for work, and it was rainy. I had to catch a bus instead of a train (weird scheduling at my station). Anyhow, someone posted a letter on the wall of the bus station. It was a photocopy. It was pretty much bible stuff until the last few lines when it all of a sudden proclaimed that as Jesus was crucified he exclaimed "I am not the son of God, but his brother. You must choose which one you wish to follow and pray to him". I thought this was interesting as many people do seem to have this notion - that Jesus is either the middle man, or God in his own right and hence people pray to "the Lord" and not God. My own beliefs talk more of God than Jesus, but it's interesting that this person went on to say both Jesus and God informed them of this, and it is True. Well, who's to say what's the truth, but ultimately God and Jesus are one, as everything is one, but I think my point is that people make distinctions and live by them. This is their truth.

Nice to see you around Aselzion, and thanks for the info. Gia recently recounted a similar his/her story of Jesus' name but the Shin is new. He very much acted as a balance hey? The 18 - Spitiual/Material conflict. On a side point, the bible doesn't seem to refer to any moments where Jesus was into "Material" things. Maybe the Material world, but I think a lot along these lines was ommited. Numerology doesn't lie. Also people would relate more to a Jesus that learnt about selfishness, but of course, the church wouldn't want this. Also, where did he learn so much about rich people if not through some experience? Just some thoughts.

posted January 28, 2005 12:50 AM         

The whole drama has a undertone. That is just as the jews and romans were responsible for his crucifixion. Today a nation is responsible for killing each Jesus in another nation with out reason.

Like I said Jesus is a personification of the spirit world. God taking flesh to teach us on earth. Christ is also described as the creator of our universe in the bible.
We all ought to respect him in our own way.

On earth a woman completes a man and a man completes a woman. And that is the reason they marry. Or atleast they are still doing

When we introspect ourselves we realize within each of us is a man/woman. Within us is Christ/Father/Holyspirit.

Continued quest will make that frequency tune to a higer self. I am experiencing it every day of my journey which began last year.

posted January 28, 2005 01:58 AM         

But not because of WHO it was happening to. Just because it was happening at all. i can't imagine anyone being treated like that - let alone a kind man.

There were parts I thought were brilliant - like when he fell with the cross as he was walking and it flashed to when he fell as a little kid with Mary running to him. That broke my heart because I'm a mother.

posted January 29, 2005 02:43 AM         

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That broke my heart because I'm a mother.

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How sweet
Indeed i was touched. Also I remembered seeing a painting of baby Jesus playing with Joseph's carpenter tool ( a nail 4-5 inches long). That moved me too.

posted February 01, 2005 11:44 PM         

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Sincerely,
divinia

posted February 02, 2005 12:34 AM         

"Where are you going?" asks Peter.

"I'm going to Rome, to be crucified."

And Peter decides to follow him... again.

But, what if he didn't?

I think of Peter giving a disaffected shrug, and heading on his way. Maybe to go take bong hits over some kids garage.
And Christ there on the cross, giving him the ole' blood-drenched thumbs-up.
But, what's that in his hand?

posted February 02, 2005 12:45 AM         

But I believe I've known and felt Jesus' divine ways throughout my life. And everyone else knows them as well despite race or religion. It's all but kindness and love in the highest form.

As for "Passions of the Christ" I've never seen it but heard it was slightly anti-semetic. I'll have to see it for myself, but did anyone else think that?