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guy_me_19
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posted October 20, 2007 07:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for guy_me_19     Edit/Delete Message
The Puranas are (one of) the sacred texts of the Hindus. I can give you the exact verse where astrology has been prohibited - telling you the name of the Purana, the chapter and verse. If you so reqst I will.

Similarly in the Holy Quran, fortune-telling is prohibited!!

Can anyone answer why! Given the fact that the Holy Quran is said to be the last and final revelation of God (and thus can't be disputed!)-- and Prophet Muhammad regarded as the last prophet/messenger.

I am confounded!

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Mannu
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posted October 20, 2007 11:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
Simple : the planets, the sun and the moon don't govern you, you govern them.

"If you have faith the size of a mustard see , you can ask the tree to uproot and plant itself in the sea " said Jesus.


We must remeber who we really are as all of us have forgotten our true nature.

In sanskrit they say "Tat Tsam Asi" or "That Thou Art".

Tat = That - even the english word is derived from that
Tsam = You
Asi = Are


Love and blessings.

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guy_me_19
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posted October 20, 2007 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for guy_me_19     Edit/Delete Message
With all due respect, I don't think you made the point very clear, Mannu, did you?
Care to elaborate, perhaps?

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Mannu
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posted October 20, 2007 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
Well it will be arrogance to say you govern them. Respect each planets for what they are, they are there to remind you of your true self. If you go against them, they will bring hinderance to teach you a lesson.

Just be. Fall in place. Accept whatever seems destined. Learn the lessons of life. Who knows if you will come to the planet called earth again - Leave your loving trail behind

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posted October 20, 2007 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TINK     Edit/Delete Message
I might go so far as to say that true astrology and fortune telling are polar opposites.

I would also say the Moslem arabs were the last great astrologers. Ibn Arabi, for instance.

Muhammed had awfully good reason for that sage advice.

I would love to hear the chapter and verse, please. My knowledge of Hinduism is shamefully inadequate.

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SattvicMoon
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posted October 20, 2007 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SattvicMoon     Edit/Delete Message
Ofcourse, I would like to know the verse too where it is mentioned in Hinduism.

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BiBi DeAngelo
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posted October 24, 2007 03:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BiBi DeAngelo     Edit/Delete Message
Astrology may be prohibited in these religions, however, I have many Arab clients, and some of them royalty. When I was living in Geneva Switzerland and many of the Arabs would come for Ramadan they would still get private and very discreet sessions. I still guide and assist them having moved back to the USA.

There are those Arabs who will not partake of this Science in any way shape or form... which is their free will and personal right of choice. I've also had Arabs and other religions have their friends do the session with me and the friend then goes back and inform them... confirms their intuition... confirms dreams they have... gut feelings they have had!

Unconditional love and acceptance of others free will choices and religious beliefs are part of the comfort zone everyone has the right to request and experience.. as I feel most of you in this forum believe and talk about from reading all the topics and postings.

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posted October 24, 2007 07:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
"The planets incline. They do not compel".

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Mannu
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posted October 24, 2007 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
I heard one Catholic lady saying when the three wise men who perhaps may be astrologers from persia met Jesus. They gave up their profession on return. Therefore Astrology is condemned.

My mind says: Perhaps in their lifetime and until death they will never come across such a great horoscope. So why bother looking at other peoples horoscope. Hehehe...but thats just me.

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posted October 24, 2007 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SattvicMoon     Edit/Delete Message
Well, astrology is NOT prohibited in Hinduism. Infact Lord Subrahmanya is considered to be the founder of Astrology as per Hinduism. None of the Vedic verses say anything about not practicing astrology.

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posted October 27, 2007 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sVirgo     Edit/Delete Message
Astrology is not prohibited in Hinduism.
I am Hindu and there are special schools in India which gives formal degrees in Astrology.

There is another informal way of imparting teaching where generations and generations are forwarding their knowledge to their family.

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posted October 27, 2007 11:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sVirgo     Edit/Delete Message
Usually when a child is born in India, we get his/her astrology reports within certain days to find out first alphabet of child name.
Even marriage dates, and major deals are arranged according to astrology.

Thank you!

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guy_me_19
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posted October 28, 2007 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for guy_me_19     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, I take that statement back. In hinduism in ain't. In fact we are even named accrdn to our date of birth in India. Marriages are decided, marriage date arranged all accrdn to the family astrologer.

As far as Islam is concerned, well there is a verse that says something to this effect: Abstain yourself from stones, gambling, fortune telling. This is what a certain Dr. Zakir Naik said. But when I read the verse in the Kuran myself there was no such thing as fortune telling in that verse! May be the verse in the original lang. Arabic might have 'implied' it and the english translation couldn't 'carry it fwd'. The aforesaid Dr. knows arabic and has read the book in that lang.

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posted October 28, 2007 11:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for guy_me_19     Edit/Delete Message
In any case, I do not believe Islam to be a religion but a political movement plaguing the world a present. So whatever their holy book says has little to do with me!

A few days back a Muslim friend of mine told me what every Muslim believes: That every1 shud convert to Islam. That it is the one true religion ... that Mohammad was the last and final prophet and that the religion is meant for all and for al eternity! I dug into the net and read SO MUCH -- mostly on the blogosphere -- it changed my view completely.

Anyway, this is deviating frm the topic. Adios.

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posted October 28, 2007 11:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for guy_me_19     Edit/Delete Message
[So it was at the time that I kind of began to believe in Islam when I posted this thread.] My Libran ascendancy and Geminian cusp effect made me change my mind so soon! LOL

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SattvicMoon
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posted October 28, 2007 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SattvicMoon     Edit/Delete Message
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This is what a certain Dr. Zakir Naik said.

He is nothing but a moron living just to create communal tensions. All of his so called debates are merely stunt for popularity and doesn;t have any logical base and structure.

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posted October 28, 2007 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
guy_me_19,

If we look at the Holy Text, we can see the truth of the matter.

Muhammad said in the Quran:

sura 2:256

Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.

So yes, I believe the saying is for all and for all eternity. It does not mean that everyone should convert but rather to Know God/Allah.


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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~

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posted October 29, 2007 11:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for guy_me_19     Edit/Delete Message
@Juniperb

Your statement is correct but incomplete. It makes no reference to the reality of Islam and its unique principle of abrogation (suras 2:160 2:106 , 13:39, 17:86, etc). While the Quran does initially state that Muslims and others are to live amicably with each other, this teaching is abrogated by later verses which state that Islam is to be “shown” to people of other faiths who, if they refuse to acknowledge, accept and follow it, are then are to be slain (suras 9:5, 47:5, and 8:39 among others). These contradict sura 2:256, “There is no compulsion in religion”. Since sura 9 was among the last to be “revealed to Muhammad”, it logically abrogates sura 2:256. In the case of Christians and Jews specifically, the Quran states they may continue to worship as their faiths require with certain provisos: they pay a tax to worship as they require, their temples of worship do not exceed in height those of Islam, they acknowledge the supremacy of Islam, etc.

Source: http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/ismahan_levi.htm

SattvickMoon, I agree with you.

Anyway folks, before the moderators decide that enuf is enuf let us end this talk right here, because we are deviating from the topic, which, to my understanding stands closed.

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artlovesdawn
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posted October 30, 2007 10:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for artlovesdawn     Edit/Delete Message
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guy_me_19
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posted October 30, 2007 11:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for guy_me_19     Edit/Delete Message
Hmmm... I felt that we were deviating from the topic of the thread. If you have anything to say, you must, sure.

It is an interesting thread but I fear that some Islamic organization might just issue an order for beheading the owners of this site. Remember the Denmark newspaper cartooning Mohammad episode? lolz.

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posted October 30, 2007 11:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mirandee     Edit/Delete Message
Astrology is seen in Catholicism as being an occult belief. It is only condemned due to the fact that it attributes things that govern our lives to the created and not the Creator. The same is thought of Tarot, fortune telling, etc.

Doesn't mean that all Catholics are against astrology just because the Church condemns it. Human nature being as it is , the Church is learning that anything it condemns only makes it all the more attractive to people.

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posted October 31, 2007 11:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sVirgo     Edit/Delete Message
Hi guy_me_19,

If you are not born in Islam religion, and you have not practiced Islam, so please don't speak anything about that religion.

I am also an Indian and Hindu but still I would say respect everyone's religion.

Be a broadminded individual.

Thank you!

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posted October 31, 2007 11:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solane Star     Edit/Delete Message
sVirgo!!!!

With the out-most & inner-most respect!!!

Bless You!!!

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guy_me_19
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posted November 02, 2007 04:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for guy_me_19     Edit/Delete Message
Dear sVirgo
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If you are not born in Islam religion, and you have not practiced Islam, so please don't speak anything about that religion.

I am also an Indian and Hindu but still I would say respect everyone's religion.


Well, I don't consider it to be a religion. I think it doesn't qualify the criterion. But that is my opinion.
Anyway, my fellow Indian, I won't, since this is not a forum for politics so we can't talk at length and speaking in passing on such burning issues serves more evil than good. Think that is broadminded/fair enough?

Mirandee,

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Human nature being as it is , the Church is learning that anything it condemns only makes it all the more attractive to people.

Well said, indeed! And thank you for sharing that info abt Christianity.

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Gooober
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posted March 27, 2008 11:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gooober     Edit/Delete Message
i am hurt and disappointed, but to each his own

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