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Topic: Lost tomb of Jesus (Discovery channel) - Discussion
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Mannu
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posted March 05, 2007 03:44 AM
 
Did any one watch 'Lost Tomb of Jesus' on discovery? Why was the DNA of Joseph and Jesus not analysed? Sorry I was not paying constant attention. Would that not give a greater chance that the body is of the Gospel Jesus?
Any reactions?
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peace
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posted March 05, 2007 05:33 AM
Mannu,
I was thinking about posting this earlier.You beat me to it!. 
Yeah, I saw it to the end.
Very intriguing!.* IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
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posted March 05, 2007 11:27 AM
I watched it, and the critical look at it, with Ted Koppel afterwards...hehe, I found that amusing...but honestly, I really think there is something there, they found this in 1980, 27 years ago...
why now? they will always try to hide the Truth... LOve and Respect to ALL. ... IP: Logged |
ribbons of color
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posted March 05, 2007 11:46 AM
Maybe DNA can not be done due to the age of the bones, but, I thought of DNA testing also. IP: Logged |
thebigeliza
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posted March 05, 2007 01:20 PM
I thought it was very interesting.IP: Logged |
angel_of_hope
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posted March 05, 2007 03:29 PM
Basically they are saying that, the "started" this ... others may finish it. They tested the DNA of Jesus and Mary ... it sounds like now its up to others who want to venture further into this mystery thats been surrounding us since existence. But i to wondered, "why go as far as doing DNA samples on the remains of Jesus and Mary, but not the rest of the family. Maybe they were working with a limited budget and couldnt afford further testing of the remains. Someones bound to dig further. None the less it was rather interesting to watch. I didnt care for the afterward discussion with Ted Koppel ... my opinion is they needed someone that was unbiased. He was definitly "NOT" believeing the story and was quite rude to the film maker/journalist (his name just went out the window???) Lotus, I too feel there is a reason WHY this came to light yet again, 27 yrs later. (9) I find it hard to believe that no one ever saw the connection between the ossuaries (sp?) when they were first discovered. ------------------
If you spend your whole life waiting for the storm, you’ll never enjoy the sunshine.~Morris West If you keep doing what you've done, you'll keep getting what you've always got.~Peter Francisco IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
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posted March 05, 2007 03:38 PM
Angel of Hope...Lotus is jumping up and down
Hi Hi Hi I asked my cards, and I got the Judgement Card look at it, it has similar coffins... well, of course coffins are coffins, lol
boxes thinking, outside. ... I missed you.... LOve to ALL. . . IP: Logged |
starr33
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From: My Mother
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posted March 05, 2007 05:59 PM
I saw it last night, and I was wondering if you guys would comment on it. Too bad the tomb was sealed off again.IP: Logged |
moiraHISbeloved
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posted March 07, 2007 10:06 AM
Have any of you read The Christ Letters? Jesus explains what he did with his body in the letters so "The Lost Tomb of Jesus" would have to be a tomb of another family with similar names. My son has downloaded the documentary and I will be watching it but when it comes to questions about Jesus it is best to go to him directly--and then match up anything you hears, see or read against his actual words. http://www.christsway.co.za IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
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posted March 08, 2007 10:27 PM
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moiraHISbeloved
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posted March 11, 2007 12:04 PM
Just wanted to make a quick note here, in case you missed it:
The Discovery Channel is going to re-air
The Lost Tomb of Jesus
on
March 19th.  IP: Logged |
future_uncertain
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posted March 13, 2007 11:58 PM
I don't remember exactly, but the reason they didn't test all the samples had something to do with the limited amount of genetic material available. The only thing that was discernable was whether the samples had common maternity. I was trying hard to stay awake when I watched it, but dozed off for a while.My info may be a bit inaccurate, but it was something like that. IP: Logged |
fayte.m
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posted March 14, 2007 12:07 AM
The Jesus Papers
by Baigent
________________________________________________________The Sixteen Crucified Saviors
By K.Graves...
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Saving the Savior : Did Christ Survive the Crucifixion?
by Abubakr Ben Ishmael Salahuddin ----------------------------------------------------------
Misquoting Jesus
by Ehrman
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Pontius Pilate
by Ann Wroe
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How Did Christianity Really Begin?
by Howard M. Teeple
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Gospel Truth
by Russel Shorto
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The Day Christ Died
by Jim Bishop
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Jesus and Mary
by Jaroslav Pelkan
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Whose Bible is It?
by Jaoslav Pelkan
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Coined by God
by Stanley Malless and Jeffrey McQuain
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The God of Old
by James L.Kugel
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The Sins of Scripture : Exposing the Bible's Texts of Hate to Reveal the God of Love by John Shelby Spong
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Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism : A Bishop Rethinks the Meaning
of
Scripture by John Shelby Spong (Paperback)
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God in Us : A Case for Christian Humanism (Societas) by John Shelby Spong
(Foreword), Anthony Freeman (Paperback - July 2001)
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A New Christianity for a New World : Why Traditional Faith is Dying &
How a New Faith is Being Born by John Shelby Spong (Paperback)
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Liberating the Gospels: Reading the Bible with Jewish Eyes: Freeing
Jesus
from 2,000 Years of Misunderstanding by John Shelby Spong
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Beyond Moralism: A Contemporary View of the Ten Commandments by John Shelby
Spong, Denise G. Haines
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Why Christianity Must Change or Die: A Bishop Speaks to Believers In
Exile
by John Shelby Spong (Paperback)
. Excerpt from Back Cover "... Aliud of God "This is Spong's manifesto,
offering ... Bishop John Shelby Spong integrates his often controversial
..."
See more references to shelby spong in this book.
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The Living Commandments by John Shelby Spong
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Easter Moment by John Shelby Spong
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Dialogue: In search of Jewish-Christian understanding by John Shelby Spong
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Here I Stand : My Struggle for a Christianity of Integrity, Love, and
Equality by John Shelby Spong (Paperback)
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Resurrection : Myth or Reality? by John Shelby Spong (Paperback)
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Bishop Spong Speaks Out: Sept. 11 and Death of God, the Father / the
Bishop & the Cosmologist (Ideas) by John Spong Shelby (Audio CD)
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Rescuing the Bible from John Shelby Spong by Michael Bott, Jonathan
Sarfati (Paperback - August 2004)
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Born of a Woman
by John Shelby Spong
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This Hebrew Lord
by John Shelby Spong
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Reinterpreting God?
Retired Episcopal Bishop John Shelby Spong continues
to shake up Christians with a radical theology.(FLORIDA WEST) : An article
from: Sarasota Herald Tribune [HTML]
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Into the Whirlwind: The Future of the Church by John Shelby Spong
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Honest Prayer
by John Shelby Spong
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The Bishop's Voice : Selected Essays, 1979-1999 by John Shelby Spong
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Living in Sin: A Bishop Rethinks Human Sexuality by John Shelby Spong
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Christpower
by John Shelby Spong
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Why I believe in life after death by John Shelby Spong
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This Hebrew Lord by John Shelby Spong
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Roman Catholic-Anglican ecumenical union: A cause I can no longer support
by John Shelby Spong
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The Nag Hammadi and other non canonical books deal with such. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nag_Hammadi_library http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infancy_Gospels
And there are of course many others out there with different theories.
One in particular is:
Morton Smith (May 29, 1915 in Philadelphia, – July 11, 1991 in New York City) was a Professor of Ancient History at Columbia University in New York City. He is best known for the controversies surrounding his discovery of part of a letter attributed to Clement of Alexandria containing excerpts from a Secret Gospel of Mark during a visit to the monastery at Mar Saba in 1958. The letter, called the Mar Saba letter, has been called a hoax by Stephen C. Carlson in The Gospel Hoax: Morton Smith's Invention of Secret Mark. Smith also published a number of essays and studies of religion in the Greco-Roman period. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Gospel_of_Mark http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clement_of_Alexandria http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar_Saba http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morton_Smith
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silverstone
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posted March 14, 2007 01:35 AM
The latest one I read was The Jesus Paper by Michael Baigent, and The Jesus Dynasty by James D. Tabor, which were good reads.I also enjoyed The Messiac Legacy by Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh, and Henry Lincoln This whole new tomb discovery, I am not so sure about; however, interesting to watch! Cheers ------------------
The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake. The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep. ~Robert Frost IP: Logged |
Ra
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From: Atlanta
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posted March 15, 2007 04:01 AM
Has anyone looked at this tomb issue any more than what has been put out on TV?Scratch the surface, and it all falls apart. Exactly like Al Gore and global warming.  IP: Logged |
Dulce Luna
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posted March 16, 2007 02:07 AM
I agree with Ra. IP: Logged |
future_uncertain
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posted March 16, 2007 05:15 PM
Ra... I'm listening... can you give me a jump start?IP: Logged |
silverstone
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posted March 30, 2007 04:30 PM
 Here’s some interesting info… http://www.theseekerbooks.com/articles/TemplarRev.htm This book is “The Jesus Scroll” by Donovan Joyce, an Australian. This book is long out of print, but I found a paperback copy in one of my used-book-buying forays, and initially thought the book had very low credibility. However, I've been slowly revising that thought, and have decided not to sell my copy. There may be some wisdom in this small book after all. Joyce begins the book with an incident that happened to him personally. His quest for Jesus was almost forced on him when he visited Israel in 1964. He sought entrance to Masada to research the location for a novel he was writing, but found mysteriously than General Yigael Yadin, who was excavating Masada at the time, denied him entrance. This is the same General Yadin who later purchased the Dead Sea Scrolls for Israel.
At the airport, Joyce met a "professor" using a phony name who asked the author to smuggle out of Israel a scroll found at Masada. The author and professor went into the men's room where the professor unrolled the scroll and told the author that it was written at Masada during the final siege by the Romans and listed the author as "Jesus of Genesereth," a man of 80 years old and who claimed to be the rightful heir to the Hasmonean throne of Israel. Joyce was offered $5000 to conceal the scroll in his bags and get it out of Israel. He refused and never saw the scroll again (nor has it resurfaced, to my knowledge). However, back home in Australia, he began looking into the scroll's implications. If this was the Jesus of the Bible, then he would have been an old man. Joyce spent years researching the possibilities and paints an incredible picture that is different from the other alternate history writers. Joyce's Jesus is also married to Mary Magdalene, but his father is not Joseph but Alpheus. After the crucifixion (in which Jesus does NOT die), he and Magdalene do not go to France, but to the Essene community at Qumran where they live out their lives until Jesus goes with the remnant of the community to Masada, where he finally dies along with the others who took their own lives rather than be captured by the Romans. To Joyce, Jesus was thoroughly Jewish, but of the Gnostic cult that flourished by the Dead Sea.
Joyce did considerable research (although he did not look in France and gives no exalted role to Mary Magdalene) and though this book bears the copyright date of 1972, he was already aware that the ideas of Christianity had been borrowed from other pagan religions. In his rather caustic manner of writing, Joyce comments "The area had long been familiar with Suffering Saviors and Redeemers and Paul's casting of Jesus in this role broke so little new ground that in fact when he joined the Pantheon Club in heaven, all that old Mithras and Soter and one or two other gods -- who died and were resurrected every year -- had to do was say Hi and make room on the bench." Like other observers, Joyce thinks the Christianity we know today was mostly invented by Paul.
The mystery of the real Jesus is interwoven with the more modern mystery of why Donovan Joyce was treated badly by the Israelis and why they would never admit the Jesus scroll existed, and why they would not tell him the real reason he was denied entrance to Masada. Joyce has a lot of bitterness about his treatment and could have written this book as a kind of revenge, but I think it is more than that. Some of his logic and research hold up, but I wonder about the scroll. How could it have been in a good enough condition to unroll in the men's room, and how would the "professor" have been able to translate it so quickly? And more important, what happened to the scroll? To base a rewriting of history on information given in a men's room that is supposedly in a scroll supposedly found at Masada seems quite a stretch. And yet, Joyce does make a case… Also, here's some interesting info: http://www.garyhabermas.com/books/historicaljesus/historicaljesus.htm
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The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake. The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep. ~Robert Frost IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
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posted March 30, 2007 04:34 PM
SilverStone, I just posted something similar, in OOber Galaxy, under the topic OOber Galaxy!very bizarre IP: Logged |
moiraHISbeloved
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posted April 02, 2007 01:19 PM
At first I thought the Lost Tomb of Jesus was either a hoax or simply the tomb of another family with similar names. However upon further investigation I find that it is very likely to be the actual tomb of the family of Jesus--and that Jesus did indeed have a son by the name of Judah, referred to in the scriptures as "the One he loved" or "the beloved one"--Judah is not the son of Mariam Magdalene however, Judah is the son of Jesus' first wife, a young woman from the tribe of Judah. This was an arranged marriage and she died when Jesus was around 25, prior to his enlightenment leaving him with one son--who was raised by Jesus' mother Mary druing his early years.
This revelation is very shocking for many people who cannot accept that Jesus was in fact to married to Mariam Magdalene--but in actuality Jesus married was twice.
The reason I decided to look into the tomb issue further was the sign over the tomb entrance.IP: Logged |
silverstone
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posted April 03, 2007 02:53 AM
Moira...Interesting. But I am not sure I believe in this tomb theory! Also, just my two cents, I am not so sure anymore that Jesus married Mary Magdalene but that he had a son I believe, but not with Mary. And that he had many relationships, I think so! He was human!
Just my thoughts. ------------------
The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake. The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep. ~Robert Frost IP: Logged |
wubbygump
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posted April 18, 2007 10:25 AM
Well folks...... I think that your hearts are all in the right place, but you aren't looking at the BIG picture. There's a young man out there putting the pieces together, explaining the "negative elite's" actions....... but weaving a message of hope and love throughout. I only caution those of you whom are skeptical about certain things. In order to understand this whole "Jesus' Tomb" nonsense, you have to step outside the boc, proverbially speaking of course. There is "ILLUMINATI" written all over this announcement.............AND a whole lot more!?!
http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=296&Itemid=70 This article was written in late February, and much
has changed, so that's why it's an ongoing series. "I was going to wait until later to fill in the
greater context of all these events, but the pieces
are moving so fast on the chessboard that today had to
be the day." - David Wilcock The second installment is here:
http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=297&Itemid=70 As well as a third:
http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=302&Itemid=70 (This one will blow you away if you've never read
about how Washington D.C. is mapped out & it's
relation to the Cydonia region on
Mars..........ummmmmmm.......yeah, you DEFINITELY have
to check this out!?!?) and DW's most recent addition regarding the VT
murders.......... did anyone out there notice there
were a total of THIRTY-THREE dead (that includes the
shooter)? Out of the blue & it stinks too! That's all
I have to say about that. DW has a similar take on the
link below, with more NWO content about halfway
through.
http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=326&Itemid=70 I hope that these links offer some
enlightenment............... I think that everyone
here wishes for a better world to live in, and does
not care for many of the events that have been/are taking place.
I simply feel as though David Wilcock not only informs
us of the "negative elite" & their
actions/performances, but weaves a thoughtful &
positive message of hope & faith throughout these
articles. I am not "plugging him" per say, but I found
these web pages to be both informative &
inspirational, and I only offer them to the members of
this forum in hopes of the same. I wish you all a good journey in this life, ~ Thomas IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
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posted April 18, 2007 01:49 PM
I would tell, everyOne, to go within, to God, know thyself/OverSoul, for your Soul, knows THE TRUTH, anything that is written by man, is jaded by his ego, his agenda, his time period...There is no One to Trust, but Our MOther and Father, who art in Heaven. ... Jesus was married to the Magdelene, She was the Master...he did not die on the cross, he did not die for our sins...each is responsible for his/her actions, since this last beginning...The Universal Laws are immutable... . The Roman Catholic Church, knows the Truth, and it shall be revealed. . .
The Truth of the Magdelene will not remain Silent...the coming changes require, that
we know and understand, what is happening...
all the prophecies are warnings, they are not written in Stone... now, when we get to things written in stone, or gem, we will have found, the words of TRUTH. ... we are all brothers and sisters, we are all family, we are all equal, NO ONE is above anyOne else....and those that have raised themSelves up, shall fall hard.... Knights Templar
Free Masons
Churches
Sects
Cults lies lies lies trying to take over with Secret knowledge....
I don't think so, it's all written by Man...
not the whole Truth...
that, is within each person, you are all, so special to me, we need to work together, not in Secret..... LOve and Reverence to ALL. ... IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
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From: MOther & Father GOd
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posted April 18, 2007 02:00 PM
Wubbygump, Welcome! Sorry, I missed that you were new, and was called back to here by MOther and Father God...your name is Thomas, there is something familar about you...do people call you Tommy, are you related to someone here?Sorry, all the questions, goose-bumps, give me clues, do I know you? IP: Logged | |
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