posted July 24, 2005 09:01 PM            

Thoughts or studys to share?

Blessings,

posted July 25, 2005 12:47 PM            

Space/time the Unseen. Galaxies, the Seen. Thank you for that insight.

I have heard it said the "New Age" is the marrying of Science and Religion to unify harmonious Truths.

Blessings,

posted July 25, 2005 08:16 PM            

http://www.kheper.net/topics/Islamic_esotericism/Ibn_Arabi.htm

posted July 27, 2005 02:28 PM            

I had checked it out from the local Library, all they had was the audio version and I played it many times. It supports the big bang theory and the development of the "unseen" before that which is "seen."

posted July 30, 2005 03:27 AM              

Ibn Arabi's Logos Doctrine

In the mystical hierarchy, the Qutb or Pole is the Spiritual Head of the hierarchy of Prophets and Saints, the intermediary stage between the Godhead and the phenomenal world, the eternal and the temporal [Affifi, Mystical Philosophy, p.74]. The Qutb is the "Pole" on which all Creation turns. According to Sufism, the Pole is realised in the Perfect Man, the individual human expres-sion of the Logos.

posted August 01, 2005 05:11 PM            

Sue, yes I see why it runs thru your mind. As above, so below. Creation a perfect reflection of the Creator. The author of petrons posted artice stated But in saying this, one must be careful not to assume, as some theosophists and neo-theosophists actually do, that there is an actual physical central sun. This is just a metaphor, like "pole" or "world mountain". That would violate the as above, so below law. Jesus, Moses, Mohammand, Enoch, Arabi et al were perfected Humans (Poles)reflecting the Creator. To me, it clearly defines the Mirror and the meaning of the statement.

I do not quibble with the authors opinion,after all, s/he had to rely on parroting and can only give the info as it is given and put into his/her own perspective rather than Teachings or Study of the Law .As always, these are my my humble insights and I am responsible for my sharing.!

Love,

posted August 01, 2005 05:19 PM            

It was so wonderful to see the harmony in the different Faiths to Ibn Arabi`s Work. Truth is Universal and it`s a joy to see in so many different colors

Blessings,

posted August 06, 2005 06:18 PM              

I'm wondering what you, in particular, thought about the link. Care to share your thoughts with me? I'm just a girl, but don't worry about talking over my head. Nevermind what Jwhop says.

Lovely picture btw

posted August 06, 2005 10:22 PM              

anyway, i have the greatest respect for sufism, as a mystery tradition its much more intact than the corresponding western mystery traditions. sufism is to islam as kabala is to judaism, as hermeticism/rosicrucianism/freemasonry is to christianity....and i believe they all have roots in a single ancient science of spirituality that was taught from asia/india to egypt/europe and all the way to the early american cultures.......

now ibn arabi was born in spain in 1165 and educated in seville at a time when the moorish peoples were at the height of their kingdoms philosphical, scientific and mathematical achievements.....in fact if it hadnt been for those people at that time the purely dogmatic sides of christianity/judaism/islam would have probably succeeded in crushing the mystery traditions and establishing a purely feudalistic aristocracy the world over(something they are still attempting to recoup)....certainly the field of mathematics may have been lost entirely let alone would it have been advanced as it was by moorish spain....

as for the website and information at kheper.net, it certainly seems that ibn arabi's writings do correspond closely with ancient pythagorean mystery teachings...whether this is because of the similarities between all ancient teachings or because this translator Affifi was looking through the lens of his own prior philosophical training i wouldnt say, but it certainly is striking to me how he describes the sufi doctrine of logos because it corresponds well with the egyptian/greek concept of emanation, which would identify the ennead(group of nine[first causes]) of egyptian "gods" with the archetypeal ideals of ibn arabi.........

posted August 12, 2005 11:25 PM              

Ok let's see ....

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anyway, i have the greatest respect for sufism, as a mystery tradition its much more intact than the corresponding western mystery traditions. sufism is to islam as kabala is to judaism, as hermeticism/rosicrucianism/freemasonry is to christianity....

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A fine analogy and I agree with it. Do you think it is "much more intact" due to it's relatively recent appearance or some inherent quality?

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now ibn arabi was born in spain in 1165 and educated in seville at a time when the moorish peoples were at the height of their kingdoms philosphical, scientific and mathematical achievements.....in fact if it hadnt been for those people at that time the purely dogmatic sides of christianity/judaism/islam would have probably succeeded in crushing the mystery traditions and establishing a purely feudalistic aristocracy the world over(something they are still attempting to recoup)....certainly the field of mathematics may have been lost entirely let alone would it have been advanced as it was by moorish spain....

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There is one thing here I'm not so sure about. Of course, the Arab at that time had progressed far ahead of the European in scientific and mathematical achievements - no argument there. However, I can't agree that this knowledge saved European spirituality. In fact, I would propose that it very much put that spirituality in grave jeopordy. I won't tire you with a long-winded essay (unless you ask for it ), knowing you are mathematically inclined I don't suppose I could ever convince you otherwise. Suffice it to say that 1) I do NOT believe the European "dark ages" were all that dark, at least in terms of the metaphysical, and 2) it was right and good that Jundi Shapur was taken down. (oddly enough by the Muslims. who says God doesn't have a sense of humor? history is so convoluted) I think it would have been disastrous had that materialistic mind-set entered Europe too soon. Not that the Arab was bad in any way, per se, just that it would have been a case of wrong time, wrong place. God, for lack of a better word, was as surely behind the Muslims when they sacked Jundi Shapur as he was against them at Poiters.

The whole Logos doctrine is so interesting, isn't it? Tell me more about what you think of it. Nice touch with the ennead. I hadn't thought of that. Isn't it fun to make these little connections?

Now why would I hit you?

posted August 13, 2005 12:50 AM              

and of course all societies have their aristocratic establishments and so did arabs of that time... but the moors of that time were particularly well known for their religious tolerance and this is what nurtures spiritual evolution.........

and in fact it was morocco who had close relations with the u.s. revolution and who lent some of their sufi spiritual ideas to influence the freemasonry of the founding fathers...like my favorite, thomas jefferson

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1750 - 1912
During the American Revolution, so many American ships called at the port of Tangiers that the Continental Congress sought recognition from the "Emperor" of Morocco. This was accorded, in effect, in 1777, making Morocco the first country to recognize the fledging American republic. Negotiation of a formal treaty began in 1783, and resulted in the signing in 1786 of the Moroccan-American Treaty of Friendship. John Adams and Thomas Jefferson, both future U.S. Presidents, were the American signatories.

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as for the logos, i agree with magus that it can be considered as a song, and as i have said before, i prefer to believe that we can praise the song of creation without worshipping the created over the creator...

posted August 13, 2005 10:37 AM            

Love,