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Topic: Which sign is the Devil?
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DOCTORaquaman
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posted February 16, 2012 08:00 PM
  
I don't want this thread to derail into a discussion about whether the Devil being real or not, so just pretend we're talking about the fictional character of the Devil. Which astrology archetype would match his personality the best? One could argue that Leo would be a good module because their negative side is extreme selfishness/only out for themselves, while on the positive they really are the funnest people. I've also read that Leo rules pleasure, self expression, sex (at least the physical act), and it can be argued that sex is our greatest pleasure. Even if you are a druggie or something and disagree with sex being the greatest pleasure available in this reality, the fact remains that you'd only be doing drugs because boredom has always been the real enemy here. So in a sense, no matter how you carve it up, pleasure is the most seductive thing in this universe, and with the Devil being a seducer, and Leo governing pleasure, the Devil is very much like Leo. On the other hand, and from experience, I'd say that Scorpio is the sex sign - the seducers, vamps, etc. Darkness, mystery, power plays, bondage, wicked sexy devils they are, and can create that mood that makes sex with them a real treat. They are also the sign of extremes (of emotions), so what makes a Scorpio more entertaining than Leo imho is that you'll see a character that is strong/weak, cool/passionate, genius/crazy, and when they love you, it is heaven, and when they hate you, they can make your life a living hell. In a sense, the Scorpio psyche is like the battle between God and the Devil, and the worst of Scorpio people love destruction, manipulation, seeing others hurt, and much like Leo, are only out for themselves. Almost like they regressed from their later incarnations, but derive pleasure from the worst of humanity (as Scorpio is the 8th sign, Leo being the 5th). Scorpio can also be the most loyal and deepest loving of all though, whereas I don't see Leos being very deep people (no offense but they are more like what you see is what you get types), so who's closer to being like the Devil? IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted February 16, 2012 08:10 PM
i have read that aquarius is the sign of the devil,which i am not proud of seeing as i am an aqua too haha,the negative side of aquarius is rebellion ,the devil rebelled against God,he refused to see God as greater then himselfIP: Logged |
lalalinda
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posted February 16, 2012 08:15 PM
Hello DOCTORaquaman! Welcome to LL  IP: Logged |
DOCTORaquaman
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posted February 16, 2012 08:18 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
i have read that aquarius is the sign of the devil,which i am not proud of seeing as i am an aqua too haha,the negative side of aquarius is rebellion ,the devil rebelled against God,he refused to see God as greater then himself
yeah but Aquarians love humanity though...I'd say that they are also the most fair minded (to the point of dispassion) and the most outside the box thinking too, which goes hand in hand with the fact that they are quite outside themselves (unlike their opposite Leo) that they were pretty much born to think like that. perhaps the devil is just a collection of all the negatives of every sign? Idk, I still feel like one sign represents it much closer IP: Logged |
athenegoddess
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posted February 16, 2012 08:19 PM
well the devil only exists in the human consciousness. The positive representation of the devil would hands down go to Capricorn. I'd describe it more as evil of every sign. IP: Logged |
RedScorp
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posted February 16, 2012 08:20 PM
The devil can tempt and can try to persuade and can dangle pleasure and desire before you all the devil wants, but in the end, it's your choice. The devil has no power over you; rather, he has as much power as you allow.  IP: Logged |
DOCTORaquaman
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posted February 16, 2012 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by RedScorp:
The devil can tempt and can try to persuade and can dangle pleasure and desire before you all the devil wants, but in the end, it's your choice. The devil has no power over you; rather, he has as much power as you allow.
So what sign best describes him then? edit: and how do you know it isn't a she? sounds much more like a she to me (remember Eve and the apple), and Scorpio and Capricorn are the two feminine signs from the ones we've discussed. Scorpios are all about control, power btw IP: Logged |
RedScorp
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posted February 16, 2012 08:34 PM
Oh shiiit, well, I tried to avoid using she/he when referring to...it. But, being raised in a patriarchal society, I apologize for the force of habit. I try not to describe God as a he or a she as well ('cause frankly, I believe God is beyond being either).IP: Logged |
RedScorp
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posted February 16, 2012 08:35 PM
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L0veLess
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posted February 16, 2012 08:37 PM
capricorn's tarot card is the devil so i've always associated it with capricorn. And capricorn is a goat which the devil looks like with the horns and cloven hoof. As for traits cap shows that are devil related, I guess you could say pride and being selfish and wanting to control everything ruthless determination. But every sign has the negative qualities of 'the devil'. So im just gonna say capricorn because its traditionally associated with it. IP: Logged |
DOCTORaquaman
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posted February 16, 2012 08:40 PM
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Originally posted by RedScorp:
Oh shiiit, well, I tried to avoid using she/he when referring to...it. But, being raised in a patriarchal society, I apologize for the force of habit. I try not to describe God as a he or a she as well ('cause frankly, I believe God is being either).
I feel you. The way I see it, it breaks down to energies. God removed from all societal beliefs and biblical folklore is simply the masculine creator of our existence (what science endeavors to describe), whereas the Devil I see as the feminizing principle (faith, religion) to keep people from destroying ourselves. I don't know what I'd call the two energies combined. God too I guess, but maybe the purpose of MAN's creation is to be that balance. IP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming
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posted February 16, 2012 08:46 PM
Pluto is Hades god of the underworld who kept the gates of hell and decided who could go in and ho couldn'tSaturn is i dunno who or what in greek/roman mythology anybody know? But it's probably either scorpio or capricorn IP: Logged |
DOCTORaquaman
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posted February 16, 2012 08:46 PM
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Originally posted by L0veLess:
capricorn's tarot card is the devil so i've always associated it with capricorn. And capricorn is a goat which the devil looks like with the horns and cloven hoof. As for traits cap shows that are devil related, I guess you could say pride and being selfish and wanting to control everything ruthless determination. But every sign has the negative qualities of 'the devil'. So im just gonna say capricorn because its traditionally associated with it.
Cappies are quite the sex machines too so that's a good argument. Then again, Tarot is like a tool for man to use as a compass when navigating the metaphysical universe and hence the makings of the compass was prone to all kinds of errors and biases that come with tradition, while astrology is like the metaphysical universe itself, the big picture, and astrology is where we as mankind strive to describe it better. IP: Logged |
DOCTORaquaman
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posted February 16, 2012 08:52 PM
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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
Pluto is Hades god of the underworld who kept the gates of hell and decided who could go in and ho couldn'tSaturn is i dunno who or what in greek/roman mythology anybody know? But it's probably either scorpio or capricorn
Pluto does reprsent Scorpio, then again, they say Mars used to rule Scorpio. But they were probably just confused because they were trying to describe passion, and Scorpios are very passionate, but Mars is more about physical passion so that would be Aries. Saturn represents Capricorn and half of Aquarius. Very confusing indeed. IP: Logged |
amowls**
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posted February 16, 2012 08:53 PM
The Anti-Christ on Astrotheme has a huge Aqua stellium lol. I would bring this up, being the contrarian that I am.IP: Logged |
athenegoddess
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posted February 16, 2012 08:53 PM
the anti christ is the mass of the human consciousness right now. lol. not one person.IP: Logged |
DOCTORaquaman
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posted February 16, 2012 08:58 PM
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Originally posted by amowls**:
The Anti-Christ on Astrotheme has a huge Aqua stellium lol. I would bring this up, being the contrarian that I am.
LOL. I had to google that, Aquarius sun with Aquarius moon. But the Anti-Christ is supposed to seduce us all too right? How the hell is a 50 year old dude going to seduce us? Every generation before like 1990 seems to have a completely different (read: lame) sense of humor thanks to no internet. edit: that's not to say anyone that's not young right now isn't funny, i'm just saying that the chances of a 50 year old dude adjusting to the cultural trends that came with technology enough to seduce the entire world than say a 30 year old, and I'm just guessing that this kind of figure would require the internet to seduce the world as it exists today IP: Logged |
DOCTORaquaman
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posted February 16, 2012 09:00 PM
can we just compromise and say that the Devil would be Capricorn Sun, Scorpio Moon, and Venus Aquarius?
or does it not work like that because he/she represents an entire set of energy that would probably encompass all of astrology itself?
this is a really good discussion btw IP: Logged |
L0veLess
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From: Midgard
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posted February 16, 2012 09:02 PM
i think this is bullshi*tIP: Logged |
DOCTORaquaman
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posted February 16, 2012 09:13 PM
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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
the anti christ is the mass of the human consciousness right now. lol. not one person.
Totally agree. However, you couldn't imagine one person being put in the limelight to represent this force? Kinda like Hitler and Germany's frustrations with the Jewish bankers, only this time against all the Jesus cults. IP: Logged |
athenegoddess
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posted February 16, 2012 09:15 PM
No, can't really imagine one person. IP: Logged |
DOCTORaquaman
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posted February 16, 2012 09:19 PM
well Jesus Christ (the opposite of the Antichrist) is in a similar boat now because we can't really imagine one person in such a position, but regardless that's how the story went and now look at the world today.IP: Logged |
Xiiro
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posted February 16, 2012 09:20 PM
The Devil card in tarot, is affiliated with Capricorn and symbolizes one's ability to be their worst enemy. The Devil card is often depicted with a naked man and/or woman, enduring tortures or sensual pleasures while chained to a goat-headed or devilish looking figure. At first glance, the man and woman appear to be slaves of their tormentor. Further investigation however, reveals the chains hang loosely around the victim's limbs and indicate that freedom could be won by simply standing up and walking away. This card often points to our involvement with negative habits or actions, not because we are victims of circumstance (as we may tell our self), but because we are comfortable with the arrangement.... BUT in order for something to have an astrological chart, that object must have a location in both space and time. According to Christian mythology, Lucifer was an angel and was therefore created prior to the "Creation Story" (when God is said to have created space, time, and systems like astrology, used to define space and time).So according to Christian mythology, the Devil doesn't have an astrological sign. IP: Logged |
athenegoddess
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posted February 16, 2012 09:22 PM
Well now you are on to something. Christ was individualized divine energy of the Sun. He was the Sun manifesting in physical reality. Unfortunately the 'devil' doesn't have the same power because it simply doesn't exist so there will never be an individualized devil.IP: Logged |
RedScorp
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posted February 16, 2012 09:22 PM
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Originally posted by DOCTORaquaman:
well Jesus Christ (the opposite of the Antichrist) is in a similar boat now because we can't really imagine one person in such a position, but regardless that's how the story went and now look at the world today.
That's kinda unfair, I think. Jesus Christ is/was the human embodiment of God. Just because the Antichrist is his opposite, I don't think that's reason enough to refute his position. EDIT! Also, what athenegoddess said. IP: Logged |
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