posted May 14, 2012 01:03 PM            

Astrology teaches us that we reincarnate until all of our karmic "lessons" are learned; biblical dogma insists that the "good" go directly to heaven; do not pass Go, do not collect $200.

One question astrology does not really answer is what becomes of the consciousness after the final incarnation? (Perhaps it is actually Buddhism that answers this and my own ignorance is the problem).

posted May 14, 2012 01:45 PM            

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posted May 14, 2012 01:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
NO reincarnation

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So then are your thoughts that the nodal points, moon sign and Saturn (karmic placements) relate to the childhood rather than the past life?

posted May 14, 2012 03:04 PM            

I've read plenty of books on astrology and only some of them promoted the idea of reincarnation. I never thought that one had to believe in reincarnation to believe in astrology (though it makes sense to me that if spirits reincarnate with a purpose then astrology would make a lot of sense regarding to how those births happen, similar to how some occultists use astrology to best plan their rituals and spells to achieve maximum effect).

As for what would happen after the final incarnation (assuming a string of lifetimes with a purpose) I'd have to know what exactly that purpose is before hazarding a guess. Ok, I'll assume the experience is to learn and grow, and I'd presume a spirit that has learned enough would reincarnate on another world or dimension or otherwise move on to a different type of existence, leaving Earthly life behind as one outgrows a cradle. And maybe a person can be reincarnated as a planet or star or even new cosmos, who knows?

posted May 14, 2012 10:47 PM            

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So then are your thoughts that the nodal points, moon sign and Saturn (karmic placements) relate to the childhood rather than the past life?

How do you feel about karmic astrology in general? I am guessing you're dismissive of it? Because how would one have karma if there was no reincarnation?

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Right, I don't believe in Karma. I see the nodes as goals in this life. The Bible says "Once to be born and once to die"

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posted May 15, 2012 06:37 AM            

I take nodes to be about patterns that you cling to (south node) which do not bring about the changes that you want (north node). You have to take the north node route to happiness. To me, nodes are a lesson about patterns and learning from opposites--about bringing together opposing sides to create a happy, harmonious, balanced whole. I do not see them as being about past lives.

The moon is about the subconscious, your inner way of being, can be connected to your mother, is connected to your emotions. Saturn, to be, is about discipline and restriction. Again, for me, each placement is about lessons to be learned, not a past life.

As for karma, it's not an absolute. Plenty of rotten people have comfort and luxury; plenty of good people suffer and struggle. I don't believe that people who suffer somehow did something in another life to deserve the pain that they experience now. That's just not what I believe. Suffering is a very tricky subject, and one that I struggle with, but one thing that I do believe about life is that it's 50% fate and 50% your actions. Sometimes, we bring about our own suffering through bad choices; other times, it falls on us and is out of our control. Everyone has a form of suffering in his/her life, and it's something that everyone has to deal with at some point. Some people might seem to have it all, or to have easy lives, but even they usually struggle with one thing or another, though their suffering may be more hidden/internal as opposed to those whose suffering is more obvious.

posted May 15, 2012 08:20 AM            

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It's also curious that the bible makes no direct mention of reincarnation given its many astrotheological references and metaphors. Obviously such a declaration would conflict with its own notions of heaven but the bible is not lacking for contradictions within itself anyways. How does a metaphysically-minded Christian rectify the two?

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AQ, you have literal Bible readers and the Mystical. Both "see" Bibical references differently.

It is accepted by both readers that the Bible was compiled Constantinople in 553 A.D.,giving us todays versions.

That said, more is to be gleaned from the cut books than what is left.

A Mystic wanders through the pages of the Bible and finds many left behind and rich references to reincarnation.

Very basic ones appear in the NT.

Luke 9
[7] Now Herod the tetrarch heard of all that was done by him: and he was perplexed, because that it was said of some, that John was risen from the dead;
[8] And of some, that Elias had appeared; and of others, that one of the old prophets was risen again."

"Rabbi, who sinned, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? (John 9:2)."

Or Jesus the Christ saying "in my Fathers house there are many mansions. What do you sumise "mansions" are ...

John 14:2
In my Father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.

posted May 15, 2012 07:48 PM            

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One question astrology does not really answer is what becomes of the consciousness after the final incarnation? (Perhaps it is actually Buddhism that answers this and my own ignorance is the problem).

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It varies with different Faiths. We become perfected. Such as Jesus saying "what I am, ye are also. ( < paraphrased) Jesus was a perfected soul and we are to work towards that perfection.. That is why we are given many reincarnated returns. God loves us that much

posted May 16, 2012 11:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
People appear to get away with things, but not true.

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Totally, totally, totally

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posted May 22, 2012 04:26 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Actually, you get to pass go immediately and end up on Boardwalk (in the US version) or Mayfair (in the UK version). You immediately get to errect as many hotels as you want and charge everyone for landing on those spots. As you pass go, you don't collect $200, but $200 million.

No reincarnation, no past lives, no future lives, no soul mates/twin flames. Life is a one shot deal in the Bible. You already know that.

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I know what the bible says (well, in one section, anyway), I am just curious how a person rectifies their belief in astrology with their belief in biblical teachings. Technically, it's blasphemous and "a sin" to follow astrology/divination altogether, not to mention celebrity fandom/celebrity worship, also against biblical teachings.

posted May 22, 2012 07:56 PM            

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No reincarnation, no past lives,

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Please explain how if that was true, the Bible states clearly and in most (if not all) versions that:

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[7] Now Herod the tetrarch heard of all that was done by him: and he was perplexed, because that it was said of some, that John was risen from the dead;
[8] And of some, that Elias had appeared; and of others, that one of the old prophets was risen again."
luke 9

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posted May 22, 2012 11:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
People appear to get away with things, but not true.

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posted May 23, 2012 08:54 AM            

I'm not going to engage in some form of endless debate.

The whole concept of Christianity is to live on Earth once, and then retire to the Glory Land for eternity. The Bible doesn't say you'll come back to Earth as someone else. Only one person in the Bible came back to Earth, and He wasn't reincarnated but resurrected and then ascended. "He is risen from the dead" refers to the resurrection of Jesus. You all know that very well.

It isn't as though Sarah, wife of Abraham, mother of Issac, came back as a male goatherder who crossed the Red Sea. That would be reincarnation. Nobody in the Bible got reincarnated.

posted May 23, 2012 11:29 AM            

interesting link. ...

posted May 23, 2012 08:06 PM            

I "judge" no one`s Faith.

posted May 24, 2012 01:47 PM            

The New and Old testament are different Dispensations which is too complicated to get into, now, but everything in the Bible can always be reconciled and is never contradicted. I can say that for 100% certainty. That means that the Bible does not allow for reincarnation. People can say it does but no Biblical Scholar will support that. The extra Biblical books like Jesus lived in Egypt and got married etc etc say all sorts of things, but that is not the Bible.

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