posted July 15, 2012 08:43 AM            

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Just out of curiosity how do you reconcile this with not judging others (Matthew 7:1-2, Luke 6:37, Romans 2:1), turning the other cheek (Matthew 5:38–5:48), bless them that curse you (Luke 6:27–31), and the Golden Rule (Matthew 7:12, Luke 6:31)?

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These are all very good questions and asked with respect, unlike the one Kat asks me, to try to be a jerk. I am happy to try to answer, to the best of my ability. The Bible always has an answer. The answer is always logical and no part of the Bible EVER contradicts another part.

OK, it will be a long answer, I cam see that lol

One has to look at 2 different dispensations--the Old testament and the New One must also look at the affairs of the earth and what will transpire and man's own personal code of conduct as he lives on the earth.

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posted July 15, 2012 08:49 AM            

This one fact can get Christians really messed up with people who are out to just mess with them. That is why so many Christians get jerked around by people. One must discern who is asking for real help and who is just being an idiot. That takes discernment and maturity. Jesus told His disciples to dust the dirt from their feet and walk away from certain people. One must or one will be pulled down to the lowest level, with some people. So, to answer your question, a Christian is not called on to help everyone, in an indiscriminate manner. The person must listen to the still small voice inside and use his discernment.

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posted July 15, 2012 08:53 AM            

This is all available to the student of Prophecy, and it is easy to understand with a little persistence to the subject.

The earth will play out, in this way until the end of the earth, as we know it, which will be the Age of the Millenium. This exact term may not be right, but there will be a New form of Earth as there will be total peace. That is where they get the saying, the lion lies down with the lamb.

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posted July 15, 2012 08:55 AM            

Please, feel free to ask more, if you care to. xx

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posted July 15, 2012 09:33 AM            

To answer your question about Iran, briefly, these wars have spiritual roots. These roots must be understood, to understand what in the heck is happening. O'Bomber messed up the Middle East so badly, as he does not understand the roots of the problem. He is responsible for much the conflagration in Syria and the other places in the Middle East. This will get worse, as he has no idea what he is doing.

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posted July 16, 2012 08:00 AM            

Christians have been targeted and manipulated probably more aggressively even than the general public, in that their very belief system has been tinkered with deliberately by the higher-ups.

I don't have time to lay out my case for that extensively right now, but many of the evangelist "luminaries" of today are VERY politically active. They share ideas for shaping the Christian political landscape at the "Christian CFR," the Council for National Policy, which is, to me, one of the most sinister think tanks out there.

Thanks to the trickle-down effect of their efforts, I go into a church and find pamphlets about how it is "godly" to submit completely to the most invasive TSA churches. Military songs are sung in churches now.

GOTT MIT UNS.

The Nazis thought their calling was Christian, too. Everyone ought to remember that and take it as a warning.

All I'm saying is, delve deep in your research, learn to recognize propaganda, before you find yourself stupidly (pardon me) supporting all-out genocide.

Iraq has been destoyed.

posted July 16, 2012 08:59 AM            

I did not do it or wish it. The Bible foretells what will happen because it is Divine.

So, I am going from that perspective. You are going from your own: what feels right to you.

The Bible says that men do not have the intelligence to form their own ways and have it work out.

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posted July 16, 2012 09:33 PM            

Anyway, I'm not at all clear on what is meant. The vague understanding I get from Ami's answers are that Jesus "Golden Rule" is the default position but that there's a plan that Christians can discern in Bible prophecy that provide exceptions to the Golden Rule.

Ok, here's a question: why doesn't God just pull a Sodom on places like Iran so that Christians can continue to follow the Golden Rule without resorting to bloodshed and massacres? That is to say, what's the point of fighting? To die a martyr and/or show faith? And if so, then shouldn't drones not be allowed as that shows a lack of faith by refusing to put one's self at risk by sending robots in your place? Or is there another reason so that Jesus would say, "let the drones fly like horses of the apocalypse"?

And what's the Christian policy for accepting refugees from Iran? Many of them are Muslim, even if they don't sympathize with their government (and are often fleeing it in terror), should they be forced to convert (or at least renounce Islam) before being accepted in the West? What about the gays that flee Iran, should Christians demand they convert or be returned to Iran for execution since the Bible also say they deserve death just like the Koran? Or should they (all refugees, including Muslim and gay) be accepted with mercy (common sense prevention against enemy infiltrators taken of course) and the war strictly against Iran's theocratic government alone?

I am genuinely curious how the mind works on this, I'm not trying to make trouble, I want to understand.

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posted July 16, 2012 10:16 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Ok, here's a question: why doesn't God just pull a Sodom on places like Iran so that Christians can continue to follow the Golden Rule without resorting to bloodshed and massacres? That is to say, what's the point of fighting? To die a martyr and/or show faith? And if so, then shouldn't drones not be allowed as that shows a lack of faith by refusing to put one's self at risk by sending robots in your place? Or is there another reason so that Jesus would say, "let the drones fly like horses of the apocalypse"?

Or put more simply, why are Christians put into a position that they must break the Golden Rule to fulfill God's plan?

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Great, great question, Pixie. I will endeavor to answer. You can ask me any questions about what I have said.

You seem to be mixing up Dispensations, which happens a lot when people want to study Prophecy, or anything Biblical. In Old testament times, people had to follow the Law. That showed they had faith. God saves by faith. In New Testament times, people have direct faith in Jesus and are saved.

So, that being said, I want to try to answer your question. The world will play out as it will. Man is allowed free will. EVERY person and country must choose whom it will serve--the spirit of the true God or the spirit of Anti-Christ( the false God/ false teachings)
God allows that to each person and each country. Choice is very important to God.

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posted July 16, 2012 10:18 PM            

The hard part to grasp is that God already knows what each country will do. Prophecy tells us all. It tells us what will happen. So, the individual Christian who knows prophecy can look at current events and see God's timetable.

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posted July 16, 2012 10:24 PM            

So, as far as Iran, Iraq, Syria etc--The Bible tells us what will happen with all countries. Most leaders don't understand this and so the events play out. The Bible student knows it and sees it, but he is a rare breed.

No one can stop these events, as they are foretold and must happen.

One can only get one's own house in order i.e find Jesus.

The world will go though the Tribulation, but the people who are TRUE believers in Jesus will NOT. God will not pour His wrath on his children. So each person must find God.

As to the drones, Obama sends the drones. Obama seems as if he is totally ignorant of Bible prophecy and so is flying by the seat of his pants and has no idea what he is doing in the Middle East. He is a clown

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posted July 16, 2012 10:30 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
And what's the Christian policy for accepting refugees from Iran? Many of them are Muslim, even if they don't sympathize with their government (and are often fleeing it in terror), should they be forced to convert (or at least renounce Islam) before being accepted in the West? What about the gays that flee Iran, should Christians demand they convert or be returned to Iran for execution since the Bible also say they deserve death just like the Koran? Or should they (all refugees, including Muslim and gay) be accepted with mercy (common sense prevention against enemy infiltrators taken of course) and the war strictly against Iran's theocratic government alone?

Or put more simply, who or what should Christians refuse to apply Jesus's commandments to?

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Well, any person can come to God through Jesus. Gay, Muslim, anything does not matter. Each person must find Jesus, in his HEART, to be saved. Many church goers are not saved. It is a heart relationship one must have with God. If you just spout Bible verses but have a cold heart, you are not saved. So, every person must find Jesus.That includes gays, Muslims. Jews etc
So, it doesn't matter what anyone is. God sees one thing--saved or not saved.

There is the earth plane and the spiritual plane. The earth plane is getting worse and will do so until the return of Jesus after the Tribulation. Then there will be peace of earth, in the Millenium.

In each person's spirit, he can find God, even if the earth is falling down around him.

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posted July 17, 2012 04:09 AM            

1. Christian
2. Hindu
3. Gay, and not changing for anybody.
4. Devout Muslim, but doesn't agree with the Iranian regime thinking it barbaric and not true Islam.
5. Sufi Muslim, and not welcome in Iran after caught dancing in a way the authorities decided was lewd.
6. Moderate Muslim, pursued after saying the Iranian government was composed of crazed killers and liars who tortured his uncle to death.
7. Casual Muslim, doesn't really care about religion he was just raised that way and the authorities have considered something he said publicly once to be blasphemous to Islam. Nevertheless he has no interest in changing religions.
8. Questioning Muslim, sickened by what he's seen in Iran and is exploring other religions.
9. Atheist.
10. Marxist

posted July 17, 2012 07:14 AM            

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What if 10 Iranians seek asylum in the USA as they will likely be tortured and/or killed if they don't get it. None are even suspected of crimes (at least by US standards). Here are the Iranians seeking asylum:

1. Christian
2. Hindu
3. Gay, and not changing for anybody.
4. Devout Muslim, but doesn't agree with the Iranian regime thinking it barbaric and not true Islam.
5. Sufi Muslim, and not welcome in Iran after caught dancing in a way the authorities decided was lewd.
6. Moderate Muslim, pursued after saying the Iranian government was composed of crazed killers and liars who tortured his uncle to death.
7. Casual Muslim, doesn't really care about religion he was just raised that way and the authorities have considered something he said publicly once to be blasphemous to Islam. Nevertheless he has no interest in changing religions.
8. Questioning Muslim, sickened by what he's seen in Iran and is exploring other religions.
9. Atheist.
10. Marxist

Should the US (we'll say it's officially a Christian nation for simplicity's sake as opposed to having freedom of religion) deny any of them asylum in the US knowing that doing so would probably result in their being tortured and killed? In other words, who would Jesus send back to Iran rather than granting asylum?

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No, of course not. Jesus came for the lost. Every person is lost before they find Him.
Pixie, I don't know where you got your teaching on the Bible, but it is very, very confused.
I was thinking about this last night as I am happy to share what I believe with anyone who is a sincere seeker to try to understand.
I think I can help make some things clear,

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posted July 17, 2012 07:17 AM            

The larger error is in the earth dimension and the spiritual dimension.
I heard a great teaching on that.

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posted July 17, 2012 07:22 AM            

He fought in the army. He was not a Conscientious Objector. It was funny that he said he would never fight against Israel, even though he does not understand Prophecy, but that is another issue.

Anyway, he is a regular guy kind of person. He did a teaching on the spiritual walk versus the earth walk, one could say.

He said that when he teaches about the Bible, to people who care to know, he would give his life to do that. He has let people spit on him, even, as he was doing God's work.

However, if someone stole his wallet, he would defend that and chase the guy down etc.
He would fight in war to defend his country.

You have to deal with the earth the best way you can and have your spiritual walk the best way you can, is the point.

There is no perfect walk for a person, when they are on the earth. No person will show Jesus--24/7. It can't be done.

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posted July 17, 2012 07:26 AM            

Please, ask any questions, if you have any more.

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