posted July 13, 2012 09:55 PM            

I used to be a neocon. Then my research convinced me that I had been misled to believe a colossal pack of lies.

It was agonizing for me to come to terms with my own conscience, once I realized that I had wished for the destruction of innocent people.

It feels much better in my heart, and more in line with my values, to see the truth and know that I am on the side of peace. I won't wish for anyone else to die, much less a whole country.

posted July 14, 2012 12:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
It's mainly about oil and natural gas.

I used to be a neocon. Then my research convinced me that I had been misled to believe a colossal pack of lies.

It was agonizing for me to come to terms with my own conscience, once I realized that I had wished for the destruction of innocent people.

It feels much better in my heart, and more in line with my values, to see the truth and know that I am on the side of peace. I won't wish for anyone else to die, much less a whole country.

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posted July 14, 2012 01:10 PM            

while it may be true that we cannot just STOP at this moment it is a noble aim to work toward peace on earth. i too believe that it is possible, however naive it might seem, to at least revert to concentrating on a defense so strong it does not need to obliterate whole nations. iran is taking a macho stance now, but it would take the wind out of their sails if america suddenly proved she was NOT an agressor...then how would they justify their bragging?

i doubt this is a scenario for the next decade(though anything is possible) but one day a commander in chief will see the benefit of retrieving the huge portion of our budget spent not on DEFENSE, as it is described, but pre-emptive OFFENSE and holding stations all over the world...but first some way of transferring the profits and jobs sustained by the military industry will probably have to be found...

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posted July 14, 2012 02:09 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
yet, one has to wonder how switzerland has managed to keep its independent neutrality all these years. a tiny little country which DOES have conscription, every male of 18 has to serve, BUT they have never waged war on anyone or needed to USE their army.

anything is POSSIBLE.

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Yes, but that is ONE country. I am talking the world

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posted July 14, 2012 03:08 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
yet, one has to wonder how switzerland has managed to keep its independent neutrality all these years. a tiny little country which DOES have conscription, every male of 18 has to serve, BUT they have never waged war on anyone or needed to USE their army.

anything is POSSIBLE.

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in my opinion this is not impossible...but more a dream than possible reality...

people will always find reasons to fight one another...religion...greed...hunger for power..etc

this is just a bad side of humanity...and many die to feed needs that will never be met
but this is how the world works

if we will find...in some strange way...to change some of humanities basic behaviour we will then have peace on earth

but again how can we find something that is capable of such change...and in such a global scale?

posted July 14, 2012 10:02 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
The more tears and sweat you put out in peace time in preparation for war, the less blood flows in the gutter when war strikes. Unilaterally bidding for peace when the Opfor seeks your total annihilation is not more than naïveté.

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Nuclear thumbs up, if you will excuse the metaphor

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posted July 15, 2012 12:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Nuclear thumbs up, if you will excuse the metaphor

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posted July 15, 2012 12:51 AM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
The more tears and sweat you put out in peace time in preparation for war, the less blood flows in the gutter when war strikes. Unilaterally bidding for peace when the Opfor seeks your total annihilation is not more than naïveté.

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posted July 15, 2012 05:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Well, there is a time for war and a time for peace. The Book of Eccleiastes (sp) says that there is a time for all things. A Christian does not have to be anti-war, as there are righteous wars.

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Just out of curiosity how do you reconcile this with not judging others (Matthew 7:1-2, Luke 6:37, Romans 2:1), turning the other cheek (Matthew 5:38–5:48), bless them that curse you (Luke 6:27–31), and the Golden Rule (Matthew 7:12, Luke 6:31)?

And what do you think of how the war is being waged so far, like using drones to bomb funerals where many families (with children and pregnant women) are at, disaster sites (thus killing good samaritans and what passes for the fire department) and the like? Is this righteous or heinous?

And if the US goes to war with Iran, do you think the US should use the same tactics as Iraq did when they invaded Iran? If not, then how should our tactics differ?

posted July 15, 2012 08:38 AM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
My Jewish cousins know it too well, and they never take peace for granted. They teach me to keep my friends close, and my enemies closer.

I was trained by the best: by God's children. By the people who protect the Holy Land. They taught me well.

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