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Topic: Forgivness ---- Bible Perspective
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Ami Anne
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posted March 03, 2011 06:07 PM
  
Well, AG, *I* go with Andrew Wommack.
I don't want to change and see no reason to.
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Ami Anne
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posted March 03, 2011 06:07 PM
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NickiG
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posted March 03, 2011 06:12 PM
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Randall
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posted March 03, 2011 06:12 PM
I think there's a time to fight in Christianity. Jesus didn't turn the other cheek when He saw the money-changers in the temple. He chased them out, and according to some interpretations, He even whipped them. IP: Logged |
Lucia23
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posted March 03, 2011 06:14 PM
Sometimes (and I'm not talking here about dynamics on an internet site, so please no one read this as a response to Ami Anne's last post to me...I mean it to address the general issue of forgiveness in relationships), one person will be very hurt by something another says or does, and the other will not have intended any hurt, and can't see why it was hurtful, so s/he can't just "own" the slight.I'm not talking about moral things that people widely agree on, but something where neither person is clearly "right" nor "wrong." I think what's most important is to look at the big picture of the whole human being, not some tiny action or other. For a good relationship or friendship to work, it has to be more important to both people to share love than to be validated as "right." IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted March 03, 2011 06:14 PM
Jesus was NO wimp. Why should His follower be?
Some people think Christians should be wimpy people. Many of the men get feminized cuz of this false belief and it is gross,quite frankly.
There are very few Christian guys who are macho cuz of this false belief ,too, so it makes slim pickins for us,Christian girls  ------------------
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Lucia23
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posted March 03, 2011 06:17 PM
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Jesus didn't turn the other cheek when He saw the money-changers in the temple. He chased them out, and according to some interpretations, He even whipped them.
Yikes! I try not to do any behavior that I don't condone in others. So if I don't think going around whipping people is right, I won't do it, even if other people do. I thought that WAS Christian--the Golden Rule? But I'm very uninformed about Christiamity and haven't studied the bible. Nonviolence does not need to be wimpy. IP: Logged |
LEXX
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posted March 03, 2011 06:24 PM
Jesus quotes:
(Luke 12:49-53)49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled? 50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished! 51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: 52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. 53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
********************************** Matthew 10:34-39 34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. 37He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. 39He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted March 03, 2011 06:26 PM
On one hand, it does take bravery to not react physically. I can fight, but I will try to talk things over and avoid a fight. That doesn't make me weak. It makes me strong. But on the other hand, sometimes you just have to fight. Like when you see a woman being physically abused and try to come between it. Some guys cannot be reasoned with. But I do respect Gandhi for what he accomplished without responding physicality for physicality. I would not call Gandhi weak. He was stronger than most of us could ever hope to be. But I'm not Jesus, and I'm not Gandhi, so I sometimes want to react in like kind. But I do try to forgive no matter what.IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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From: Pleasanton, CA
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posted March 03, 2011 06:30 PM
Ever hear the parable of The Sheep & The Goats? It ties in. Something to the effect of, "Whatever you've done to the least of my brethren, you've done it unto me."39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you. - Jesus, Matthew 5:38-42 40"The King will answer and say to them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.' - Jesus, Matthew 25:40 34"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you" - Jesus, John 13:34 The picture of how Jesus wanted people treating other people is pretty clear. Jesus did have a temper tantrum once, but I don't think he sought to hurt people, nor was it in retaliation for physical violence against himself. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted March 03, 2011 06:39 PM
Well, the Bible says "Work out YOUR salvation with fear and trembling"
That means EACH person does what they think it best from their own study and personal investigation.
That is mine, AG.
You have yours and that is YOUR right,too.------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted March 03, 2011 06:50 PM
I want a guy who is a man. If I am out with my guy and someone kicks him, or WORSE me, I don't want my guy to lisp,"Sorry ,I can't fight "  ------------------
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EverEvolvingSpirit
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From: A Place of Pure Love <3
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posted March 03, 2011 06:50 PM
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EverEvolvingSpirit
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posted March 03, 2011 06:52 PM
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Randall
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posted March 03, 2011 07:06 PM
Well, I do try to resolve things peacefully if it's just me. But lay your hands on my girl, and you're going to get your arm broken. But I will forgive you as you are carted off to the hospital. Self-defense is justifiable in my view (and in the eyes of the law).IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted March 03, 2011 07:29 PM
Nothing in the Bible advocates that you decide morality for yourself. That passage has nothing to do with deciding what's best for yourself. The passage before it advocates putting others first as Jesus did.I haven't said anything here to be argumentative. I only seek to illuminate the actual Christian belief. If you follow Christ, and you accept His morals, you shouldn't be violent...ever. EDIT: I guess I'll add more since the conversation seemed to stop here. Morality is inherently subjective. I think most people come up with their own moral code in time. In this instance, I'm truly only making the point that it's not Christian to adhere to an "eye for an eye" philosophy. I do know several Christians that would respond violently to violence, who do advocate military service and so forth. On some things Christians would rather beg forgiveness than truly submit to Jesus' way. That is their prerogative, but it should not be thought of as the way of their God. IP: Logged |
EverEvolvingSpirit
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From: A Place of Pure Love <3
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posted March 03, 2011 11:38 PM
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Originally posted by Randall:
Well, I do try to resolve things peacefully if it's just me. But lay your hands on my girl, and you're going to get your arm broken. But I will forgive you as you are carted off to the hospital. Self-defense is justifiable in my view (and in the eyes of the law).
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Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted March 04, 2011 04:44 AM
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Originally posted by Randall:
Well, I do try to resolve things peacefully if it's just me. But lay your hands on my girl, and you're going to get your arm broken. But I will forgive you as you are carted off to the hospital. Self-defense is justifiable in my view (and in the eyes of the law).
You live in the city,EES.
You ,definitely ,need a man like this or
you could not go out of the house 
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Jesus never put his trust in man cuz he knew what was in man.
He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted March 04, 2011 05:04 AM
Actually,AG,I 10000% disagree. The Bible is a very practical book.
If something is WAY out there like you should let your girl get beaten up while you stand there quoting Bible verses, you have the Bible wrong,with all due respect.
A Christian may be DIFFERENT than the normal population as far as standards but you are not called upon to be an idiot or a fool as YOU are suggesting by your stance.
One is not called up to let oneself get beaten up emotionally or physically in order to be a Christian.
You and I disagree 1000% of that.
*I* will never change so it is silly to try to convince me.
PS Lest anyone go here,the Bible has certain standards and stances which are out of step with current society.
It is a book whose standards remain the same irrespective of social norms.
However,you are more equipped to deal with society as a Christian cuz the Bible is a book about practical life as well as about God.
The Bible "works" on how to live cuz it was made by God.
That is why all people resonate with it, somewhere,deep inside, even though they will NOT admit it,often.
Deep inside ,every man has a reverence for the Bible.
Remember,I said deep.
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Jesus never put his trust in man cuz he knew what was in man.
He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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EverEvolvingSpirit
Knowflake Posts: 954
From: A Place of Pure Love <3
Registered: Feb 2011
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posted March 04, 2011 06:26 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
You live in the city,EES.
You ,definitely ,need a man like this or
you could not go out of the house
Brooklyn at that :/ Yes, it is good to live peacefully but sometimes it is absolutely necessary to kick someone's ***. If someone laid a hand on my son, I'd probably be going to jail. You wouldn't be able to pull me off that ******* Not very realistic to say one should never practice violence no matter what. I think of the Infamous Mariah Carey/Eminem/Nick Cannon Triangle. When Eminem was degrading and threatening Mariah for the "Obsessed" song she apparently made to mock him. Nick Cannon posted bible quotes on his Twitter instead of telling Eminem to lay off his wife or get his *** kicked :/ The bible is a tool for strength. Not a book to hide behind when you're a coward. I know for sure my man, who is a practicing Christian will not hesitate to protect his woman or children. He and Ami are very good examples of strong Christians  IP: Logged |
EverEvolvingSpirit
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posted March 04, 2011 06:27 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Actually,AG,I 10000% disagree. The Bible is a very practical book.
If something is WAY out there like you should let your girl get beaten up while you stand there quoting Bible verses, you have the Bible wrong,with all due respect.
A Christian may be DIFFERENT than the normal population as far as standards but you are not called upon to be an idiot or a fool as YOU are suggesting by your stance.
One is not called up to let oneself get beaten up emotionally or physically in order to be a Christian.
You and I disagree 1000% of that.
*I* will never change so it is silly to try to convince me.
PS Lest anyone go here,the Bible has certain standards and stances which are out of step with current society.
It is a book whose standards remain the same irrespective of social norms.
However,you are more equipped to deal with society as a Christian cuz the Bible is a book about practical life as well as about God.
The Bible "works" on how to live cuz it was made by God.
That is why all people resonate with it, somewhere,deep inside, even though they will NOT admit it,often.
Deep inside ,every man has a reverence for the Bible.
Remember,I said deep.
Excellent writing. IP: Logged |
EverEvolvingSpirit
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posted March 04, 2011 06:36 AM
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MyFavoriteWeapon
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posted March 04, 2011 06:46 AM
I take the Satanic approach in this situation. If someone smacks you, you turn around and beat their face in, by doing this not only do you earn the respect of those around you, but you leave the attacker with wounds of wisdom to think upon.IP: Logged |
EverEvolvingSpirit
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posted March 04, 2011 07:29 AM
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Originally posted by MyFavoriteWeapon:
I take the Satanic approach in this situation. If someone smacks you, you turn around and beat their face in, by doing this not only do you earn the respect of those around you, but you leave the attacker with wounds of wisdom to think upon.
Notably "bruises" of wisdom. Then they would've learned their lesson to fall back  IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted March 04, 2011 08:37 AM
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Thank you so much for your words.
They mean more to me than you will ever know!------------------
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