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rajji
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quote:
Originally posted by LEXX:
rajji
From the viewpoint of a belief that the quotes/verses you offered are true;
your arguments and decodings fit.

However;
I person believe Jesus and Yeshua were two different men.
NOT THE SAME MAN!
Yeshua=the gentle teacher; a good man, a peace loving man, a human, not deific.......
a follower of Buddhist teachings and others of Asia.
A man who was a man, and was not anointed/possessed
by the Chritos deceiver entity.
He was not a man of self delusions of grandeur, like Jesus Bar Abbas who belived himself to be the "chosen" one.
Yeshua was a man who did none of the calls to war, division and fighting, as the quotes
I quoted and you did quote too, show.
That man was Jesus, Jesus Son Of The Father;
ie;
Jesus Bar Abbas, the Jewish insurrectionist.
Both men were called Jesus depending on which language one was using.
That was why the Jews wanted Pilate to release "their" Jesus, a good upstanding Jewish man, who had a hatred for Rome and who very strictly followed the Jewish Laws.
Yeshua however was NOT seen as a good upstanding Jew.
He broke their laws repeatedly.
The strict Jews hated him.
The folks who passed through the area on the trade routes that ran near Nazareth and Sepphoris, loved him. So did the Helenized Jews.
People from many cultures loved Yeshua, but strict followers of Jewish Laws hated Yeshua.
The Jews tried to stone him more than once.
His family tried to lock him up, and even his own mother thought him quite insane and guilty of not following the Jewish Laws.

Jesus Bar Abbas however, strictly followed the Jewish Law and he, NOT Yeshua was the man who turned the money changer's tables, and tried to stir folks up against Rome.

Yeshua on the other hand did NOT fight the money changers, but instead said;



quote:
Matthew 22:20-22 (King James Version)

20And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?

21They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

22When they had heard these words, they marvelled, and left him, and went their way.



quote:
Originally posted by LEXX:
Yeshua unlike the Jewish insurrectionist
Jesus Son Of The Father/Jesus Bar Abbas;
did NOT fight with the money changers and get himself arrested during that Passover.
Jesus Bar Abbas was arrested first.
Yeshua was betrayed by his own family,
but history does not record that except in cryptic ways everyone is missing, and not seeing the truth hidden in plain sight betwixt the false history.

So there you have it;
believe me or not.
Two men confused as being the same man by the preachers like that idiot Paul, who found himself a cushy new gig and made most of what folks think was the truth about those men and events.
Then later writers loving the deific versions of the mythos, took it as read that it was true.
The crucifixtion is crucifiction.

So hence the contradictions betwixt the so called stories and words of Jesus.
Two different men.
Cousins.
Looking much alike.
But one a follower of the Laws Of Moses and the messiah wannabe of his devout Jewish followers in Jerusalem, who wanted a man who would stand up against Rome.......
And the other man,
who the Jews wanted crucified;
the good man Yeshua;
who followed Buddhist ideas, Lao-tzu, Confucius, and other teachings.....and was a man and teacher of peace and the Tao;
who had no problem with the non Jews and nor did he follow their rules.
Hence, they wanted him eliminated.
Especially the Priests and the Sanhedrin The highest judicial and ecclesiastical council of the ancient Jewish nation, composed of from 70 to 72 members.
The peace and love teachings of Yeshua were a dangerous threat to them and their ways and power over the Jewish people.
Jesus Bar Abbas on the other hand was their champion.
I find it utterly deplorable that they truth is right out there but folks still buy into all the mythos.

Rant over again.


Lexx im trying to understand your concept..i give you or anybody all the right to correct if anybody thinks that im expressing any counterfeit emotions or thoughts...sometimes our expression of emotions and thoughts needs a reality check..so i always welcome counter arguments..as I feel more grounded..I or my views are not supreme in any case.

So now I personlly do not believe Jesus and Yeshua were two different men.
why?

Yeshuah=jesus how?
Yeshua is the Hebrew name, and its English spelling is “Joshua.” Iesous is the Greek transliteration of the Hebrew name, and its English spelling is “Jesus.” Thus, the names Joshua and Jesus are essentially the same; both are English pronunciations of the Hebrew and Greek names for the Lord.
For examples of how the two names are interchangeable,

Acts 7:45
45 Having received the tabernacle, our fathers under Joshua brought it with them when they took the land from the nations God drove out before them. It remained in the land until the time of David,

Hebrews 4:8
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day.
In both cases, the word Jesus refers to the Old Testament character Joshua.
we can refer to Jesus as “Jesus,” “Yeshua,” or “YehSou” (Cantonese), without changing His nature. In any language, His name means “the Lord Is Salvation.”

The command is to “call on the name of the Lord,” with the promise that we “shall be saved” (Acts 2:21; Joel 2:32). Whether we call on Him in English, Korean, Hindi, or Hebrew, the result is the same: the Lord is salvation.
So that said i would like to use the name
jesus christ for joshua.

quote:
Originally posted by LEXX:

Now "Jesus Bar Abbas, the Jewish insurrectionist.
Both men were called Jesus depending on which language one was using."

It did not depend on the language one was using neitherJesus Bar Abbas, the Jewish insurrectionist.
"That was why the Jews wanted Pilate to release "their" Jesus, a good upstanding Jewish man, who had a hatred for Rome and who very strictly followed the Jewish Laws.
Yeshua however was NOT seen as a good upstanding Jew."


This is what i found to be true-
Who, then, is this character, Jesus Barabbas, who appears very briefly in the gospels? Barabbas is a patronym, a family name, like the patronymn of Peter, who was known as Simon Bar-Jonah. Barabbas is a combination of two Aramaic words, bar, which means son, and abba, which means father. So Barabbas means "son of the father." It may also be derived from the Aramaic words bar for son and rabbon for master or rabbi. If that is the case, Barabbas would mean "son of a rabbi." In fact, some rabbis were also known as fathers in recognition of their teachings and education. So we may conclude that it is possible that Barabbas was the son of a prominent rabbinic family in Jerusalem. He was probably well-educated and well-connected, especially politically. His full name was probably Jesus Barabbas, which appears in in the Syrian and Armenian versions of Matthew 27:16-17.

D. A. Carson wrote, "On the whole it is more likely that scribes deleted the name [Jesus from Jesus Barabbas] out of reverence for Jesus [Christ] than added it in order to set a startling if grotesque choice before the Jews,"1 and I agree with that reasoning. If Barabbas was also called Jesus, he had a very common name in the New Testament times. Jesus is the same as Joshua, and we read of another Jesus in Acts 13 in the account of a Jewish sorcerer Elymas whose family name was Bar-Jesus, meaning the son of Jesus.

Liberation through Jesus Barabbas

What else do we know about Barabbas? He was a political animal who believed in self-redemption, not in redemption through a messiah. The Bible calls him an insurrectionist, using a Greek word that means one who rises up against the existing authority and institutions--a seditionist, in other words. Barabbas had no interest in trusting in the coming Messiah. He wanted to become the savior of the Jewish people and attempted to liberate them from the yoke of Rome through political means. No doubt he joined the local liberation movement, whose modern counterparts would be organizations like the PLO, the Hamas and other freedom fighter groups.

To me this Jesus Barabbas, this dagger-carrying revolutionary, was the forerunner of the modern liberation theology movement which attempts to obtain its piece of the pie by the use of power, violence, and similar means, not by the practice of humility and faith in the gospel of Jesus Christ.Eventually Barabbas and others did take part in an insurrection in Jerusalem against the Roman authority, but their rebellion was suppressed. Barabbas and his comrades were arrested by the Romans, tried, and and condemned to be crucified.

What else do we know about Barabbas? He is called a murderer in Mark 15:7, Luke 23:19, and Acts 3:14, which is not surprising. Liberation theology also believes in murder if it results in obtaining power now. Barabbas was also called a robber in John 18:14. According to Josephus the word used for robber, lestes, refers to members of the nationalist movement called Zealots, who supported themselves by robbery. Barabbas may have been a member of that movement. The two thieves who were crucified with Jesus Christ might also have been members of that movement. Why do we think that? At that time robbery was not a capital offense, and yet these two thieves were sentenced to be crucified. So we may well conclude that the thieves were also insurrectionists, murderers, and members of the movement led by Jesus Barabbas, the Zealot and patriotic freedom fighter.

In Matthew 27:16 Barabbas was described as notorious, but this word really means famous, popular, and notable. Barabbas was well-known in Jerusalem, and it seems he had a large following. He was even known to the Sanhedrin. Therefore, when Barabbas was sentenced to crucifixion, his fans--the Jerusalem crowd--and the Sanhedrin gathered early in the morning to demand his release.

Why did so many people side with Barabbas? They believed in this world, not in the world to come. They believed in having political power now. They believed in materialism and self-redemption. They did not believe the prophets and the promises of God. No, they wanted to take matters into their own hands, leaning onto their own understanding and saving themselves by whatever means. They wanted to wage guerrilla warfare. Their slogan was, "Power now! Fame now! Position now! Wealth now! Dignity now!"

While I was traveling through South India several years ago, I saw this slogan scrawled on a wall: "Salvation is through the barrel of a gun." Those who wrote it, in other words, would say, "We do not wait and believe. We refuse to be humble, gentle and meek. We refuse to endure. We are no longer hoping for pie-in-the-sky-by-and-by. We are people of action who use raw power to obtain what we want." I am sure Barabbas would say the same things.

Who Was Jesus Christ?

Who was Jesus Christ? First, he was a witness to the truth, as he told Pilate. And what was that truth? It was that God is, and that he is transcendent, meaning above and beyond all creation. It was that God is the creator of the world. It was that God is immanent, meaning he is involved in history as the Lord and Ruler of it. It was that all people are sinners under the wrath of God, and that God will punish such sinners for sinning against his majesty. It was that God is just and that he will rule in justice. It was that God is love and so he has a plan to save sinners. It was that he himself came into the world as the promised Messiah to save sinners, but not as a political king with soldiers and swords. It was that Jesus Christ is the exact opposite of Jesus Barabbas in that regard. It was that Jesus is the Son of God, the Son of the Father, the Son of David, who came to reveal the kingdom of God--a kingdom characterized by righteousness. It was that Jesus came to save sinners by suffering the wrath of God in their stead and on their behalf, to give his life a ransom in place of many, as he said in Matthew 20:28.

Unlike Jesus Barabbas, Jesus Christ refused to use raw political power to destroy existing institutions. He told Pilate his kingdom is not of this world. His mission was to save his people from their sins, from their guilt, from death, from the dominion of Satan, and from hell. Jesus came to liberate his people from slavery to sin, not from slavery to human institutions. In Matthew 1:21 we read, "You are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins." And why can Jesus Christ alone save sinners? He can do so because he was not just a man, but he is also truly God. He was perfect man and perfect God--God incarnate.


Liberation through Jesus Christ

Jesus Christ came to testify to the truth that repentance and forgiveness of sins may be proclaimed on the basis of his work alone, especially on the basis of his violent death on the cross. So he went about preaching, "Repent and believe. The kingdom of God is at hand. Put your faith in me. Come unto me and I will give you rest and liberation. I am gentle and meek. Trust me, and be saved, from sin, Satan, death and hell. Be saved from the wrath of God that is coming upon every sinner." Jesus came as the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.

Like Barabbas, Jesus Christ had followers whom he instructed how to behave. But we must see the great contrast between the instruction of Jesus Christ and that of what Barabbas would give. In Matthew 5:2-10 we read: "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted. Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth. Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled. Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy. Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God. Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God. Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven." What a tremendous difference between the ideas of violence and political force advocated by Jesus Barabbas and the words Jesus Christ!

"Two men confused as being the same man by the preachers like that idiot Paul"

From above i dont think that paul could have confused Jesus christ with Jesus barabas.


source
http://www.gracevalley.org/sermon_trans/Jesus_or_Barabbas.htm

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Some Points to Ponder about the so called false apostle Paul.

The new, revised Jesus known by most today has largely been stripped of His Jewish background and culture. Even though the Bible clearly states, "It is evident that our Lord arose from Judah" (Hebrews 7:14), most claiming to worship Him today are uncomfortable with—if not outright hostile toward—His Jewish background.

Many simply don't realize that Jesus lived a life that included regularly going to the synagogue on Saturday, the weekly Sabbath (Luke 4:16), observing the biblical Holy Days (Leviticus 23; Luke 2:41; Matthew 26:17; John 7:2, 10) and not eating pork or shellfish (Leviticus 11; Deuteronomy 14).

Those who know of Jesus' lifestyle commonly think that He deemed it too harsh and demanding and that He lived by it in place of us so no one would ever have to follow its requirements again. But Jesus never indicated that He was now rejecting the culture in which He had lived or that He wanted His followers to reject the biblical instruction regarding these practices.

After Jesus' death, His disciples continued to follow His lifestyle, and they taught new believers to do the same. Paul said, "Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ" (1 Corinthians 11:1). When Paul traveled, he continued to worship God on Saturdays (Acts 13:5, 14; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4), just as Jesus had done.

When the gentiles (non-Israelites) of the city of Antioch wanted to hear Paul's words, they assembled with the Jews the next Sabbath (Acts 13:42-44). Instead of accepting the clear biblical record, many have embraced the false argument that Paul taught the gentiles to meet on Sunday instead of Saturday. It's commonly assumed that the day of worship was changed to honor the day of Jesus' resurrection (another falsehood since Jesus was resurrected on Saturday evening around sunset).
In addition to observing the Sabbath, Jesus also observed the biblical Holy Days. He undoubtedly accompanied His parents "every year" to Jerusalem to observe "the Feast of the Passover" (Luke 2:41), and He continued to observe the biblical days of worship throughout His ministry (Matthew 26:17-19; Luke 22:14-15). Jesus' followers observed these same "feasts of the Lord" (Leviticus 23:4) and taught believers to do the same.

Toward the end of the first century, Jesus' disciple John wrote, "He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked" (1 John 2:6). So he, too, taught believers to live their lives as Jesus had done. How ironic it is that anyone actually following Jesus' lifestyle today is thought to be unchristian. Such thinking simply reflects the profound success of those who designed today's counterfeit Jesus.

The misguided teaching of today that advises people to reject Jesus' example is most often justified by a faulty assumption that Paul changed the gospel—the message of Jesus—because of direct teaching from Jesus mentioned in the book of Galatians. But while it is certainly true that Paul received direct training from our Lord, that training did not change the gospel message.
As Paul outlined what he taught to the Corinthians, he clearly said that his teaching was the same as that of the other apostles. His exact words, "Therefore, whether it was I or they [the other apostles], so we preach and so you believed" (1 Corinthians 15:11), show that he was not a maverick with a different gospel.
While changing Jesus' appearance and cultural background has led to much confusion, the mistaken teaching regarding His expectations of those who follow Him has been the most damaging result of His stolen identity.

Instead of living in accordance with God's laws about such things as the Sabbath, Holy Days and food laws, people are mistakenly told that anyone who follows Jesus' example today is rejecting God's grace and practicing legalism—that is, trying to earn his salvation by works.

While the Bible clearly teaches that salvation is by grace through faith rather than works (Ephesians 2:8-9), it is also clear that "we are...created in Christ Jesus for good works" (verse 10). Indeed, it will be "those who do His commandments" who will be granted access to the tree of life representing eternal life (Revelation 22:14).

Christ's own words also show that there is no conflict between grace and obedience. Jesus emphatically stated: "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'" (Matthew 7:21-23).

Jesus still expects us to obey His commandments. Simply put, a genuine relationship with Christ will always result in a changed life.

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Contrary to popular belief, Yeshua (Jesus) did not bring a new "religion" into the world.

Some People don't understand what Torah observance is all about. They don't seem to realize that Yeshua was the FINAL SIN SACRIFICE who came to abolish the man-made, "rabbinical" instructions that had people bound up and confused about what Yahweh (the Father) had actually said. He did not come to abolish God's original Divine Instructions (Torah - without which we would have NO blueprint for moral, holy living - 1 John 3:4).

Yahweh gave us a new Covenant through Yeshua, not a new Torah! Torah has been around since the beginning, way before there were ever any "Jews". Cain and Abel knew to present animal sacrifices (Genesis 4); Noah knew the difference between "clean and unclean" animals (Gen. 7:1-3). There we no "Jews" until Jacob gave birth to what was to become known as the Tribe of Judah - and yet EVERYONE up until that time who believed in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob was TORAH OBSERVANT....

Yeshua(jesus) is the Living Torah who never, ever negated His Father's original teaching and instruction.


This has been answered clearly in this link. http://www.therefinersfire.org/yeshua_not_christian.htm

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What makes me believe in the Bible ,more and more,is that what it says,works.
For example, what you sow ,you reap.
I try to give love , to the best of my ability.
When I need love,it showers down on me.

The verse--Do unto others as you want them to do unto you.
That verse would make human organizations and human relationships ,work.

There are so many simple things in the Bible such as these which make your life ,work.

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posted March 05, 2011 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
rajji
Thank you for the replies.
I do not have at the moment to respond.
I agree with very little of what you have said and the examples you have given are twisted or tainted in my opinion.
The history is not all correct either.
I will try to reply soon.

Ami,
I disagree with you but respect your choices to believe as you desire.

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posted March 05, 2011 12:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I highly disagree with you but thank you for posting your views.
quote:
Originally posted by rajji:
Some Points to Ponder about the so called false apostle Paul.

The new, revised Jesus known by most today has largely been stripped of His Jewish background and culture. Even though the Bible clearly states, "It is evident that our Lord arose from Judah" (Hebrews 7:14), most claiming to worship Him today are uncomfortable with—if not outright hostile toward—His Jewish background.

Many simply don't realize that Jesus lived a life that included regularly going to the synagogue on Saturday, the weekly Sabbath (Luke 4:16), observing the biblical Holy Days (Leviticus 23; Luke 2:41; Matthew 26:17; John 7:2, 10) and not eating pork or shellfish (Leviticus 11; Deuteronomy 14).

Those who know of Jesus' lifestyle commonly think that He deemed it too harsh and demanding and that He lived by it in place of us so no one would ever have to follow its requirements again. But Jesus never indicated that He was now rejecting the culture in which He had lived or that He wanted His followers to reject the biblical instruction regarding these practices.

After Jesus' death, His disciples continued to follow His lifestyle, and they taught new believers to do the same. Paul said, "Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ" (1 Corinthians 11:1). When Paul traveled, he continued to worship God on Saturdays (Acts 13:5, 14; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4), just as Jesus had done.

When the gentiles (non-Israelites) of the city of Antioch wanted to hear Paul's words, they assembled with the Jews the next Sabbath (Acts 13:42-44). Instead of accepting the clear biblical record, many have embraced the false argument that Paul taught the gentiles to meet on Sunday instead of Saturday. It's commonly assumed that the day of worship was changed to honor the day of Jesus' resurrection (another falsehood since Jesus was resurrected on Saturday evening around sunset).
In addition to observing the Sabbath, Jesus also observed the biblical Holy Days. He undoubtedly accompanied His parents "every year" to Jerusalem to observe "the Feast of the Passover" (Luke 2:41), and He continued to observe the biblical days of worship throughout His ministry (Matthew 26:17-19; Luke 22:14-15). Jesus' followers observed these same "feasts of the Lord" (Leviticus 23:4) and taught believers to do the same.

Toward the end of the first century, Jesus' disciple John wrote, "He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked" (1 John 2:6). So he, too, taught believers to live their lives as Jesus had done. How ironic it is that anyone actually following Jesus' lifestyle today is thought to be unchristian. Such thinking simply reflects the profound success of those who designed today's counterfeit Jesus.

The misguided teaching of today that advises people to reject Jesus' example is most often justified by a faulty assumption that Paul changed the gospel—the message of Jesus—because of direct teaching from Jesus mentioned in the book of Galatians. But while it is certainly true that Paul received direct training from our Lord, that training did not change the gospel message.
As Paul outlined what he taught to the Corinthians, he clearly said that his teaching was the same as that of the other apostles. His exact words, "Therefore, whether it was I or they [the other apostles], so we preach and so you believed" (1 Corinthians 15:11), show that he was not a maverick with a different gospel.
While changing Jesus' appearance and cultural background has led to much confusion, the mistaken teaching regarding His expectations of those who follow Him has been the most damaging result of His stolen identity.

Instead of living in accordance with God's laws about such things as the Sabbath, Holy Days and food laws, people are mistakenly told that anyone who follows Jesus' example today is rejecting God's grace and practicing legalism—that is, trying to earn his salvation by works.

While the Bible clearly teaches that salvation is by grace through faith rather than works (Ephesians 2:8-9), it is also clear that "we are...created in Christ Jesus for good works" (verse 10). Indeed, it will be "those who do His commandments" who will be granted access to the tree of life representing eternal life (Revelation 22:14).

Christ's own words also show that there is no conflict between grace and obedience. Jesus emphatically stated: "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'" (Matthew 7:21-23).

Jesus still expects us to obey His commandments. Simply put, a genuine relationship with Christ will always result in a changed life.

*************

Contrary to popular belief, Yeshua (Jesus) did not bring a new "religion" into the world.

Some People don't understand what Torah observance is all about. They don't seem to realize that Yeshua was the FINAL SIN SACRIFICE who came to abolish the man-made, "rabbinical" instructions that had people bound up and confused about what Yahweh (the Father) had actually said. He did not come to abolish God's original Divine Instructions (Torah - without which we would have NO blueprint for moral, holy living - 1 John 3:4).

Yahweh gave us a new Covenant through Yeshua, not a new Torah! Torah has been around since the beginning, way before there were ever any "Jews". Cain and Abel knew to present animal sacrifices (Genesis 4); Noah knew the difference between "clean and unclean" animals (Gen. 7:1-3). There we no "Jews" until Jacob gave birth to what was to become known as the Tribe of Judah - and yet EVERYONE up until that time who believed in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob was TORAH OBSERVANT....

Yeshua(jesus) is the Living Torah who never, ever negated His Father's original teaching and instruction.


This has been answered clearly in this link. http://www.therefinersfire.org/yeshua_not_christian.htm


I do not know how I can/will respond to all of this because your views and the views of many;
subscribe to the concept that Jesus was the messiah, a deified man, and was crucified and died for our sins and ascended and all that.
You as others do;
buy into all the things you have quoted about Jesus Bar Abbas and Yeshua ben Yosef;
things I firmly feel are warped and twisted and much untruth of who and what really was.

I would like to respond but really am not sure if it is worth my time as you will continue to post replies based on what I believe is the erroneous information that has been used for far too long to try and prove the mythos of a mostly untrue story.


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I am so happy we could share our Points of View,on here.
I was not expecting anyone to change.
*I* just wanted you to know me,really,for my part in it.
I wanted what might be unknown to become known.


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I think my problem with Christians is they like to put Jesus in a box, and the bible makes it so extremely simple to do that.

The closest I have ever felt to God, was not reading what someone else wrote, not listening to someone elses thoughts, not sitting in a church with people just as bad off or even worse than myself. We were all made differently, obviously.

I don't care to share my POV because it is mine, and what is for me may not be for you. I understand many think, the bible has great teachings- and some of it does. And some think the bible is just the best book to be followed every day -maybe for some it is.

But, what is so wrong with taking a step back talking to God, and asking him to show you what works for you, what he wants you to know? If he is so great and can do anything, he'd do that for you. He did it for me.

It's time people start finding their own way, not someone elses, not some book, not what your church, friends, or family teach.

He supposedly said You will do greater things than even he did, now if we are not doing those things, could it be the possibility that what you may be doing isn't all that you are meant to be doing?

I pray, and meditate and for many years I did nothing, and I did not know what to believe. I feel comfort in the fact that I quit everything "christian" all together and let Him show me what he wanted for me. And, I am in a better place spiritually due to that and I will continue to grow in it.

If you enjoy the bible or whatever you enjoy, someone took the time to write what they thought they saw, heard or, knew.

Who's to say, you can't see, hear, or know from the Source himself as well?

The bible is a book, sure people wrote it and they were told what to put in it or what have you. I just see it as another form of an idol for many christians. They'll spend more time in that book than on their knees or waiting to be shown.

To me it's lazy, easy, and not many want to put in work to see what he wants you to see in his time.

I am not being mean, I am not trying to fight. My heart is full of love, and it's sad to think so many aren't living to full potential or even continuing. Finding one thing and staying there- never moving forward, questioning, seeking. Just thinking Oh I know it all, I'll sit here and be content.

Some good points in this thread, some interesting things, some I agree with and some I don't.

I'll end my babbling- I wish you all to find what you were meant to find in whatever journey you pursue.

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posted March 07, 2011 10:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
TxGirl
You may be interested in my posts/threads at Divine Diversities.
Some are under my former user name fayte.m.
Others are under my present user name, LEXX.
In addition to Lexigramming, some of my other passions are rewriting parts of the Biblical Mythos via unconventional research.
Both are passions I have had since around 4 years old.


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~The present time is theirs, but the future is mine.~Nikola Tesla
~There is no box.~H♥
~Balance is not letting anyone love you less than you love yourself.~Felipe
~I remember, therefore I am immortal~LEXX }><}}}(*>~

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posted March 07, 2011 11:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TxGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LEXX, I read through some of it and of course I have questions. I did not read all of it and it is a ton to take in but with that being said- do you have an email I could email you at? I don't know if I can even send private messages but some things I'd like to just keep between us. Please get back to me!

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posted March 07, 2011 09:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by TxGirl:
LEXX, I read through some of it and of course I have questions. I did not read all of it and it is a ton to take in but with that being said- do you have an email I could email you at? I don't know if I can even send private messages but some things I'd like to just keep between us. Please get back to me!

lexx@linda-goodman.com

I know, there is an awful lot, and my views are far from mainstream.
Would love to know if you have any possible
past lives' insights/memories/dreams/visions on such things.
Yes, I do indeed have many posts and threads there.

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~The present time is theirs, but the future is mine.~Nikola Tesla
~There is no box.~H♥
~Balance is not letting anyone love you less than you love yourself.~Felipe
~I remember, therefore I am immortal~LEXX }><}}}(*>~

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