posted February 22, 2013 03:57 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
well padre, i will agree to disagree there...passing judgment is a form of "sanction" in my book...and most people have redeeming graces, so demonizing them as total arseholes is crude at best.

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YOU judge everyone. ROTFL

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posted February 22, 2013 04:22 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
well padre, i will agree to disagree there...passing judgment is a form of "sanction" in my book...and most people have redeeming graces, so demonizing them as total arseholes is crude at best.

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One's version of what is "judgment" would mean actions are not even be noted.

posted February 22, 2013 04:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
"Judge" means to inflict a punishment or sanction, "Discern" is to see things for what they actually are in real life.

In Greek it is Dekrino.

For all of that, President Obama is anything but an idiot, he is every bit the fmr Professor even down to his sort of "thus sayeth from the Mountain Top" approach.

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posted February 22, 2013 04:42 PM            

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judge (v.)
c.1300, "to form an opinion about; make a decision," also "to try and pronounce sentence upon (someone) in a court," from Anglo-French juger, Old French jugier "to judge, pronounce judgment; pass an opinion on," from Latin iudicare "to judge, to examine officially; form an opinion upon; pronounce judgment," from iudicem (nom. iudex) "judge," a compound of ius "right, law" (see just (adj.)) + root of dicere "to say" (see diction). Related: Judged; judging. From mid-14c. as "to regard, consider." The Old English word was deman (see doom). Spelling with -dg- emerged mid-15c. http://www.myetymology.com/english/judge.html

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No offense juniperB, however Dekrino is koine Greek, and that from 1100 yrs or so before the French definition that you reference.
"Some cite Matthew 7:1 as proof that we should do no judging whatsoever: "Judge not, that you be not judged." Here, the Greek word for "judge" is krino, meaning to condemn, avenge, damn, sentence, or levy a punishment."

Read more: http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Topical.show/RTD/cgg/ID/2500/Krino.htm#ixzz2LfNn9l28

Further Christ goes onto say give a righteous judgment not one based on appearances.

This is one of the myths about Christianity that I find humorous when referenced by none Christians.

posted February 22, 2013 05:40 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
Again, as i said, i will agree to disagree. Usage is, imo, 99% of definition.

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Oh sure, just keep in mind if the New Covenant is meant as a blueprint for Christians, then usage at the time of writing is far more coherent than current usage from a Christian pov.

posted February 23, 2013 05:51 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
a worthy mission, padre, and a lot of work unravelling i would think?

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Not as much as one would think, generally speaking it is either Greek, or Hebrew, the problem is the English translations sort of offers a one dimensional view of what was being spoken about.

posted March 09, 2013 07:09 AM            

The most logical choice would be a cardinal from either South America or the Philippines as both have huge and growing roman catholic populations, while attendance is declining everywhere else.

My background is Filipino and my great,great,great grandfather was a priest and in the Philippians they are
treated almost like celebrities.

A tangent decision would be to chose the African candidate.

If I were to place a bet I would say an Argentina pope, why?

Strong religious base combined with an emerging South American economy means South America is the only thing saving the Roman Catholic church.

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posted March 12, 2013 10:52 AM            

Hint--- The Anti Christ

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posted March 12, 2013 02:27 PM            

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posted March 12, 2013 04:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Well, watch who this guy hangs with

Hint--- The Anti Christ

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I am apalled, I do NOT hang with him and I`m a gal

posted March 12, 2013 06:15 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
So the title of this thread should be "big joke" instead of big news...fair enough!

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posted March 13, 2013 01:15 AM            

Here are a few of the candidates from the list:

CANADA
Marc Armand Ouellet (68y)
June 8, 1944 - (Lamotte) Amos, Quebec

GUINEA
Robert Sarah (67y)
June 15, 1945 - Ourous, Guinea

MEXICO
Norberto Rivera Carrera (70y)
June 6, 1942 - LaPurisima, Durango, Mexico

HONDURAS
Oscar Andres Rodriguez Maradinga (70y)
December 29, 1942 - Tegucipalga, Honduras

ARGENTINA
Jorge Bergoglio (76y)
December 17, 1936 - Buenos Aires, ARG

Leonardo Sandri (69y)
November 18, 1943 - Buenos Aires, ARG

BRAZIL
Joao Baez de Aviz (65y)
April 24, 1947 - Mafra, Brazil

Odilo Pedro Scherer (63y)
September 21, 1949 - Cerro Largo, Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil

posted March 13, 2013 12:36 PM            

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Given that Scola is the favorite, this means that each time we see black smoke, the more likely we are to see an unorthodox candidate such as Turkson.

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