posted April 03, 2013 08:17 PM            

Four boys, one girl.

posted April 03, 2013 08:23 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Of course there's nothing wrong about loving it (The Source) and being grateful but thinking that we are expected to worship it and if we don't it will get will get angry is plain stupid. What do YOU think?

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It's all just words. Religion is just talk.

Mutter "I believe in Jesus Christ," muster up some convincing emotions to go along with it, and the gates of heaven will open to you.

Fail to say the magic words and you burn eternally.

Couldn't they come up with anything better than that?

posted April 03, 2013 10:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
It's all just words. Religion is just talk.

Mutter "I believe in Jesus Christ," muster up some convincing emotions to go along with it, and the gates of heaven will open to you.

Fail to say the magic words and you burn eternally.

Couldn't they come up with anything better than that? *looking*

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"Worship" (for me) is complete and TOTAL union, immersion, a merging of two into One experience. I approach my Lover with rituals (foreplay), or He will approach me during a busy time and bid my soul to come away with Him, quiet time, for a while.

This is a "relationship" I have with Him. I want to completely give 'all that I am', and His Spirit responds and exchanges with me. Worship is Mystery, and can be the most tender moment, the most powerful vulnerable state of Being that is possible to know...

Faith, if you imagine your husband, and use words in the same manner as above quote... How would you "feel" about that approach for "intimacy" with you? Does that "romance" you? or intice you to want to take the next intriguing steps towards him?

And especially when you're 'distracted' with so many cares... (cute) being a mommy that's a climbing tree? Can you be 'in the mindset' to have intimate 'relations' with kids pawing on your body, or calling out to you for things? Meditation, quiet time?

... It's all about the 'touch' you use with your inner words... It's the mood and imaginations that these words and emotions evoke. Glints... spark-exchange? Emotions are a sign of the Soul trying to stir... They are a clue to what happens in the hidden places. We turn our attention and affections "there"...

Worship is sex... sex with God! God is a Spirit, and when you have a true worship experience, you will (biblically?) "know" Him... You will know that you no longer can say you're a virgin, and yet each new experience is like 'the first time' over and over again... You look with anticipation for "more" of Him.

It's like your writing, or your artwork, Faith... "Leave art for a day, and she'll leave you for three?"

"God" has "feelings"... God must be wooed, not 'used' like an on-demand machine.

So... Lets stop "reading" the Book on How-To, and get to the business of some 'hands on' one on one experience...

posted April 03, 2013 10:48 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
Faith you said "to you" not "UNTO"...you will surely burn!

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katatonic.... oh no!! YIKES!!!

I said GOD, and SEX!!! ..... ooooh, I'm mellllting-- 'burning' with Desires?!! Learned the wesson of Cooking with the Oil of JOY!!!

posted April 03, 2013 10:56 PM            

Within occult schools 'beloved' is a name given to God (the lover's yearning for the beloved found in Sufi poetry) and also the name accorded a fully enlightened initiate (the 'beloved disciple' of the New Testament)

One Whisper of the Beloved

Lovers share a sacred decree –
to seek the Beloved.
They roll head over heels,
rushing toward the Beautiful One
like a torrent of water.

In truth, everyone is a shadow of the Beloved –
Our seeking is His seeking,
Our words are His words.

At times we flow toward the Beloved
like a dancing stream.
At times we are still water
held in His pitcher.
At times we boil in a pot
turning to vapor –
that is the job of the Beloved.

He breathes into my ear
until my soul
takes on His fragrance.
He is the soul of my soul –
How can I escape?
But why would any soul in this world
want to escape from the Beloved?

He will melt your pride
making you thin as a strand of hair,
Yet do not trade, even for both worlds,
One strand of His hair.

We search for Him here and there
while looking right at Him.
Sitting by His side we ask,
"O Beloved, where is the Beloved?"

Enough with such questions! –
Let silence take you to the core of life.

All your talk is worthless
When compared to one whisper
of the Beloved.

posted April 04, 2013 06:15 AM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Why would a supreme being need it? Such a craving would indicate the presence of ego which doesn't make sense since God is perfect. Or at least waaaay closer to perfection than us. Ego is a human thing. Of course there's nothing wrong about loving it (The Source) and being grateful but thinking that we are expected to worship it and if we don't it will get will get angry is plain stupid. What do YOU think?

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posted April 04, 2013 07:31 AM            

But to me what you are talking about is spirituality, not religion. To merge with the divine (generic) is not the same as merging with Jesus...I can't see them the same way. Jesus has a fully laid-out agenda.

posted April 04, 2013 05:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
That is nice mirage..very Song of Solomon

But to me what you are talking about is spirituality, not religion. To merge with the divine (generic) is not the same as merging with Jesus...I can't see them the same way. Jesus has a fully laid-out agenda.

I can't love someone like that.

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(I don't blame you Faith... I can't either!!)

Thankyou for ref to SOS! *grinning ear to ear* -- hot!

Religion has 'separated' the "ideal of" Jesus from your own spirituality, Faith! ....The "total Jesus-route package" for you may not be good at all! Religious errors contaminated this image for many? The Church has made some 'graven' mistakes-- to the imagination. They call it Jesus when it's NOT! I'm sooo sorry (and angry) that they did this to you--and to ME, in whatever ways I can't see or realize this myself...

But God makes a way to melt away what does not belong, in spite of whatever the churches threaten. There's the 'organized institution' called the Church, and then there's The Bride-- the "Spiritual" and universal non-local body? We have been in a dense deep fog where 'you can't see your hand in front of your own face'... but we can feel the winds of the Spirit starting. We call out to each other, in darkness yet within a great light... We have and keep expectation for whatever 'that' is for each one.

The Bride was meant to glorify The Beloved... (thanks shura...)

{song changed}/ This is ADDED 4/5/2013 105pm
(music) I Just Want To Be Where You Are (Don Moen) [3:40] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4hWvR_Vv1Q

{ah-heck! This song is really good too, but has that "Jesus" reference in it, okay? so you've been forwarned, but it's NOT heavy-handed, I promise!! I paste it back in now...}
Please listen to this song... (after the first two minutes of song, there's a Jesus reference for short stanza, then the last two minutes repeats the first section... Please imagine this as a "universal" type of songs of worship... ) Imagine a possible connection in the Universal Light~~ And our awakening into the connections we discover more and more with one another?
(music) Oh, The Glory of Your Presence (S.Fry) [5:24] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psuYGOHJ-1s

God "inhabits" our atmosphere of worship...

God is Spirit--- and those that worship him, worship him in spirit and in truth!

God is Love--- and he who abides in love, abides in God, and God in him...

Where charity, and love, prevail... God is ever found! Brought here together by God's Love, by Love are we thus bound!

Love one another

posted April 04, 2013 05:14 PM            

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Originally posted by felngfrogy:
Oh and Lexxi...I have 5 boys and twins are my last, one of my twins is so open...I have had no choice but to change my views on life because of him. He speaks of a home not here, and he knows what planet earth is and a red star is his real home(watching a mayan prophecy docu.) I opened up more after he revealed things to me. And having a child who knows has been a blessing, he in ways is like a teacher too, im a better mother and person because through him I've learned to really open my heart and mind to the possibiliteis of the unknown and there is nothing to fear. I hope your parents thought of you as a blessing as well!

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posted April 04, 2013 05:20 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:
what a wonderful analogy, mirage

Within occult schools 'beloved' is a name given to God (the lover's yearning for the beloved found in Sufi poetry) and also the name accorded a fully enlightened initiate (the 'beloved disciple' of the New Testament)

One Whisper of the Beloved.........

- Mawlana Jalal-ad-Din Muhammad Rumi

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THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH for touching my heart with this poem, shura!!

And also thanks for adding the interesting bit of information...

posted April 04, 2013 05:35 PM            

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Originally posted by geea:

... The love of God is not the same as our human love: human love in many of the cases is conditional and ephemeral, bound by our material senses.

... Imagine the love of a mother or a father to his/her children multiplied with infinity. That is God”s love and we still cannot comprehend it with our minds.

So yup, this is my humble opinion, and where my mind wonders about God

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posted April 07, 2013 05:50 AM            

From "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine: Treachery, Faith, and the Great River (#7.6)" (1998):

Odo: Has it ever occurred to you that the reason you believe the Founders are gods is because that's what they want you to believe? That they built it into your genetic code?

posted April 07, 2013 11:21 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
As I know we have some Star Trek fans here I thought I'd throw this in, because what Weyoun 6 says does remind me of what I've heard plenty of people in real life say.

From "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine: Treachery, Faith, and the Great River (#7.6)" (1998):

[b]Odo: Has it ever occurred to you that the reason you believe the Founders are gods is because that's what they want you to believe? That they built it into your genetic code?

Weyoun 6: Of course they did. That's what gods do. After all, why be a god if there's no one to worship you? [/B]

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posted April 09, 2013 12:37 PM            

If we wish to know the truth about religion, and "God", we must study the mystics, -- not the masses, as is so frequently done. More than that, we must go the way they went.

The true mystics of all faiths have always asserted that "God" is simply a word, a name, for something which defies description, and which may only be hinted at through actions, images, and ideas. It was the opinion of many such mystics that this "something" is worthy of a great name, and that no greater name could be found than the name of "God". Likewise, many things in their experience are described as "sacred", "holy", or "divine", because no lesser words seemed fitting. This is, of course, a value judgment, and not open to dispute.

The word "God" may apply to the ultimate truth, but it may also apply to the images we have conceived (perhaps drawing upon archetypes already seeded within our own subconscious minds), in order to bring us closer to that truth. The former is the common root of all mystically inspired faiths, while the latter are individual outgrowths, variously expressed. In the first instance, we can say very little about "Him"; maybe nothing at all. In the second, we must reflect that our conceptions are flawed; that, by their very nature, they have the power to reveal, as well as to conceal, spiritual realities. If symbols or symbol-systems do not resonate with you, simply find another way which feels more comfortable for you.

As human beings, many of us find it helpful to make use of a human symbol for God. In attributing personal characteristics, we are speaking in a figurative way. Figurative is not necessarily the same as fictional, but neither is it matter-of-fact. In the Hindu tradition, they have a notion of "the chosen ideal". The devotee selects from a pantheon of gods or avatars the one to which he/she feels a special affinity. This "chosen ideal" serves as a stand-in, or surrogate, for The Ineffable. Many people find it helpful to focus their devotions on this symbol (or Word), while retaining an awareness of "God" as something utterly beyond conception, and certainly beyond description.

The greatest mystics have found, through the experience and practice of deep meditation, a level of consciousness so secure, so peaceful, and so profound, that they were able to experience a complete transcendence of the personality, the body, and all sense of separateness; with the input of the mind and senses hushed, they were able to sink, and to settle, into the very seat of their being; to actually experience their connectedness with everyone and everything. The love and fearlessness this inspires has made these individuals beacons of virtue. The best of them have become enduring symbols for something infinitely greater than themselves; historical guideposts, signifying the revelation of the purest truths and mysteries.