posted May 24, 2013 10:33 AM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:

Global Unity will never be achieved until we find tolerance in our hearts and actions..

I would like to add there isn`t a place for ethnic divide as well in GU or elsewhere in LL.
Please keep religion in DD and political events in GU. I feel responsible for the latest postings as mod as I haven`t been diligent in keeping the line from being crossed. I know the line can often be blurred but lately it`s been over reached.
I apologise for my lack of moderation .
It is now brought to all`s attention and will be addressed as best one can.

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Im sure that if you had the ability you would have closed tye problematic threads but mod laws were abused in order to create discord and personal attacks.

I hope you have not been offended by any posts against you and know that many people here respect you

posted May 24, 2013 10:46 AM            

i won't say names but it is clear that someone had no intention of discussing the gruesome murder in London,
and every intention of dragging it into another mindless hateful "religious" racist god knows debate, like the other 100 threads they start...i'd say more if i didn't think the whole thing is too funny lol

posted May 24, 2013 10:50 AM            

Each person and each nation will choose a side, as is happening in the world with people such as we in GU and DD and countries that you can all see.

This will not stop until the Final Battle of Armeggedon.

Choose the right side. I am done here and Blessings to you all. I mean that with all my heart.

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posted May 24, 2013 11:24 AM            

And the excuse machine begins to go into overdrive.

After all they did say "my coffee is cold!!!"

Uhm, no, they were professing "Allah Akbar!!!!" w/bloody hands to all of the world.

Personally, I would have shot them, and then had a cheeseburger. Islam, is a dignified religion with poets that outstrip anything we have in the West.

posted May 24, 2013 12:14 PM            

Japan doesn't allow Muslim immigration? Japan doesn't allow Muslims citizenship? And Japan hasn't endured terrorism? Really? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin_gas_attack_on_the_Tokyo_subway This terrorist attack was organized by Christian terrorists spouting the same sort of bloodthirsty, Luciferic, armageddon lust we've seen spouted here on LL.

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The last great battle before the end of the age,as we know it, is the battle between the spirit of Isaac( the Jews) and the spirit of Ishmael( the Arabs) played out in the nations just as it is being played out here

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How ugly this is.
Is it worth mentioning Paul's allegory where Issac represented Christianity and Ishmael represented Judaism?

posted May 24, 2013 12:20 PM            

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When one is out of bounds, one is out of bounds and like a rabid dog there is but one solution and it is not rational conversation with a fanatic.

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Interesting interview from someone who tried.

posted May 24, 2013 05:22 PM            

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Is it worth mentioning Paul's allegory where Issac represented Christianity and Ishmael represented Judaism?

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Yes! This is a basic understanding of many Christians who read and comprehend the New Testament. Paul , as you know, isn`t my favorite but his allegory is clear to me and worth a look for anyone not familiar with it..

That is not to demean the Ishmaelites Islam or their hertiage but to add another dimension of Ishmael.

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posted May 24, 2013 08:15 PM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
Israel is an inspirational country as far as integration of multi-ethnic Jews into a democratic set up is concerned. Largely secular, the country has grown by leaps and bounds thanks to innovation and cutting edge engineering. A few question marks about their policy towards Gaza exist but let us not forget that they are very fair when dealing with Arabs who hold an Israeli Passport.

Nobody in their right mind would want Israel to NOT Exist. Yes, everyone would like a peaceful solution where an independent, secular, democratic Palestine State exists along with Israel. Everyone would like the Hezbollah and the Hamas to disarm.

No civilized person would like a 7th Century based book of laws like Shariah installed in the modern world in totality. But hundreds of millions follow the good laws of Shariah regarding prayers, fasting etc. You have no right to denigrate these good portions of Islamic Law.

Muslims who have migrated to the west rarely follow even the good aspects of Shariah even for their personal life, leave alone desiring it as a rule of Law.

So why the allegations against Muslims, who know more than any Messianic Jew the dangers of Islamic Fundamentalism? The Pakistani Army for instance is most brutal in stopping the terrorists, more than USA. Same can be said of Turkey. Saudi Arabia, the chief exporter of wealth for terrorist groups does not tolerate any terrorist within its borders.

This could be a game of "Guerilla Warfare" where a few unemployed youth are brainwashed into becoming terrorists to ensure there is enough fear to allow Armed Forces and Dictators in Middle East, and thus allow loot of Oil. Has American import of Oil come down since 9-11? Nope, US Big Oil Corporates have financially gained since 9-11,

Sensible people follow the money. The gainer is almost always the creator of the problems.

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The Moderates won't make a peep against the Muslim terrorists. They are afraid because the Muslim terrorists rule by brute force.
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Utter rubbish, totally false allegations. Not befitting Secular, Liberal Astrology Forum like Linda Land.

It is we Moderates who have helped minimize terror attacks by exposing the possible terrorists for years throughout the World. Why has there been no 9-11 since 9-11? It is because of sensible secular Muslims who anonymously report potential trouble makers whenever they are spotted in any mosque. USA, UK, India, Pakistan, Turkey etc have all managed to clamp down on terrorists thanks to Moderate Muslims.

I urge you take back the false allegations against Moderate Muslims. You are creating disharmony, disunity and religious hatred in these sacred forums where people from all religions and races have been so pleasantly interacting like a Global Family, until your sudden and inexplicable descent into Right Wing Messianic Fundamentalism. Your False Allegations against Moderate Muslims have no place in this forum, you may have actually broken Forum Laws. And your actions are surely going to strengthen the extremists who want to paint a false a picture of Westerners to the innocents they try to brainwash everyday.

You are also irresponsibly denigrating years of efforts of millions of moderate Muslims in mitigating hatred from the background and promoting interfaith harmony. We show other Muslims that "See, Westerners are secular humanists, look at Linda Land for example. We must support them and Democratic Values", and then all your hate filled posts harm all the efforts of positive marketing.

Think about the consequences of your hatred.

You are stoking flames of more hatred, of unnecessary violence, and possibly motivating violent crimes of hatred against American Muslim Citizens. Plus helping incite extremists to commit acts of terror.

You blame Obama for all problems in America but this kind of false allegations against Moderate Muslims is the most Anti-National activity an American can do under the present circumstances.

Know This: You become exactly that which you hate. Wake up from this Hypnotic Spell.

I also urge the Moderator to DELETE any and every thread that promotes hatred towards Islam, Christianity or Judaism. Religious Hatred WILL NOT BE TOLERATED in our Website because the hate posts will come up in Google search and chase away new members, especially Moderate Muslims who are breaking away from any extremist influence. God only knows how many Internet Hate Laws have been violated in the last few weeks, we must not allow even a chance of a lawsuit for inciting religious hatred.

Peace out.

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posted May 24, 2013 08:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
If you find a Christian who is always trying to be perfect( and we all hate this type) she does not understand the NT times. I will explain. In New Testament times, a person who has accepted Jesus as personal savior and lord can do ANYTHING and not break the law. That person can kill, steal, do terrorism, hate, rape etc and still have God's grace. Your eyebrows raise. You want to throw tomatoes at me but let me explain. In the NT Dispensation, Jesus has borne all our sins. That means that anything I do is forgiven by God. I can kill a hundred people with a machine gun and still be forgiven. I can hate and act like Hitler and still be forgiven. In fact, God will never cast me out for my actions. Man will punish me. However, Jesus sacrifice made me clean, holy and pure in God's eyes.

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posted May 24, 2013 09:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
If you find a Christian who is always trying to be perfect( and we all hate this type) she does not understand the NT times. I will explain. In New Testament times, a person who has accepted Jesus as personal savior and lord can do ANYTHING and not break the law. That person can kill, steal, do terrorism, hate, rape etc and still have God's grace. Your eyebrows raise. You want to throw tomatoes at me but let me explain. In the NT Dispensation, Jesus has borne all our sins. That means that anything I do is forgiven by God. I can kill a hundred people with a machine gun and still be forgiven. I can hate and act like Hitler and still be forgiven. In fact, God will never cast me out for my actions. Man will punish me. However, Jesus sacrifice made me clean, holy and pure in God's eyes.

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That is genuinely frightening. Shivers up the spin inducing. These words are not in the spirit of Christ; these are the lies of the Adversary. What iQ said is true - we become what we hate.

posted May 24, 2013 09:29 PM            

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That is genuinely frightening. Shivers up the spin inducing. These words are not in the spirit of Christ; these are the lies of the Adversary. What iQ said is true - we become what we hate.

Lexx, I know you have experienced this sort of perversion masquerading as "Christianity" before. I'm sure you recognize the scent of it.

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posted May 24, 2013 09:38 PM            

Very disturbing indeed. I also need to leave for a bit and center myself.

posted May 24, 2013 10:04 PM            

There are other sects who are covered by this umbrella as well. I implore you to know this sect is not the norm. It is a virulent sect that stains the soul of Christianity and is not a wide spread religious belief. Yet they have a voice as well as my Faith and others do.

To be aware, when you open a thread on Bible study by a member of any fundamentalist sect, is to know you will be offended on some level. The key is to not open it and read what you know up front will offend your sensibilities and heart. This will help prevent the negativity and darkness from seeping into you and the forums.

Lexx, as mod here, has to read and I understand how difficult it is for her . I support her in that endeavor & know she must comment.
Let us not become what we are horrified by.

posted May 24, 2013 10:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
If you find a Christian who is always trying to be perfect( and we all hate this type) she does not understand the NT times. I will explain. In New Testament times, a person who has accepted Jesus as personal savior and lord can do ANYTHING and not break the law. That person can kill, steal, do terrorism, hate, rape etc and still have God's grace. Your eyebrows raise. You want to throw tomatoes at me but let me explain. In the NT Dispensation, Jesus has borne all our sins. That means that anything I do is forgiven by God. I can kill a hundred people with a machine gun and still be forgiven. I can hate and act like Hitler and still be forgiven. In fact, God will never cast me out for my actions. Man will punish me. However, Jesus sacrifice made me clean, holy and pure in God's eyes

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posted May 24, 2013 10:19 PM            

I am not offended by personal attacks on me, my Faith nor political stance. I know who I am, what I have Faith in and stand by my beliefs.
Altho, I am offended when any other race, religion that is based on hate and divisiveness or politicial stance is treated with disgust and trampled on. That`s the Aquarian way, just ask pire or any of the lovely Aqua`s in LL

posted May 25, 2013 03:40 AM            

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My take on Christianity as it is portrayed is that none are too far to be saved (with one exception), and God forgives all sin IF the sinner is truly repentant. That's the key...sincerity. In that instant the sinner is transformed (born again) and would not commit more atrocious acts. For example, the Biblical Saul brutally slaughtered Christians until his transformation in the dessert when he became blinded by the light of God and ultimately repented and was saved and changed his name to Paul (the ultimate 180 degrees). While the thought of evil people going to heaven may seem repulsive, the idea is that they are no longer evil if they have truly repented. And you will know those by the fruit that they bear. A Christian may have done horrible things in some cases, but that Christian should not be the same person after being saved and should no longer desire to commit those acts (in theory). The one exception being the unpardonable sin (blashpheming the Holy Spirit). While there is some disagreement as to what that is, the concensus seems to be that it is the complete and utter rejection of God...the point of no return, so to speak...evil beyond redemption. I would say Hitler probably qualifies as such a person, but who knows. That's my take on Christianity anyway.

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Actually, Paul did much much worse, he did not sully his hands with actually killing anyone, he let others do it and acquiesced to the killing.

For me, that is even worse, one knows better however bias and prejudice allows for doing such things.

As long as one can hide behind "mommy's" hem, it's fine..as Rev King said:

posted May 25, 2013 09:12 AM            

Padre, yes..

posted May 25, 2013 04:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
My take on Christianity as it is portrayed is that none are too far to be saved (with one exception), and God forgives all sin IF the sinner is truly repentant. That's the key...sincerity. In that instant the sinner is transformed (born again) and would not commit more atrocious acts. For example, the Biblical Saul brutally slaughtered Christians until his transformation in the dessert when he became blinded by the light of God and ultimately repented and was saved and changed his name to Paul (the ultimate 180 degrees). While the thought of evil people going to heaven may seem repulsive, the idea is that they are no longer evil if they have truly repented. And you will know those by the fruit that they bear. A Christian may have done horrible things in some cases, but that Christian should not be the same person after being saved and should no longer desire to commit those acts (in theory). The one exception being the unpardonable sin (blashpheming the Holy Spirit). While there is some disagreement as to what that is, the concensus seems to be that it is the complete and utter rejection of God...the point of no return, so to speak...evil beyond redemption. I would say Hitler probably qualifies as such a person, but who knows. That's my take on Christianity anyway.

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Truly lovely, Randall. You really understand and that is very precious to me.

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