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iQ
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posted June 03, 2013 04:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1. NU 21:35
With the Lord's approval, the Israelites slay Og "... and his sons and all his people, until there was not one survivor left .


2. NU 25:4 (KJV) "And the Lord said unto Moses, take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the Lord against the sun ...."
NU 25:8 "He went after the man of Israel into the tent, and thrust both of them through, the man of Israel, and the woman through her belly."


3. NU 31:31-40: 32,000 virgins are taken by the Israelites as booty. Thirty-two are set aside as a tribute for the Lord. (Human Sacrifice! )

4.
DT 2:33-34 The Israelites utterly destroy the men, women, and children of Sihon.

DT 3:6 The Israelites utterly destroy the men, women, and children of Og.

5.
DT 21:10-13 With the Lord's approval, the Israelites are allowed to take "beautiful women" from the enemy camp to be their captive wives. If, after sexual relations, the husband has "no delight" in his wife, he can simply let her go.
(Clearly an Immoral Priest would have written this command and attributes it to God. There is no way God can be so immoral and authorize rape)

6. Vampiric/Cannibalistic Command:
DT 28:53 "You will eat the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the Lord your God has given you."


7. Genocide:
JS 8:22-25 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly smites the people of Ai, killing 12,000 men and women, so that there were none who escaped.

JS 10:10-27 With the help of the Lord, Joshua utterly destroys the Gibeonites.

JS 10:28 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly destroys the people of Makkedah.

JS 10:30 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly destroys the Libnahites.

JS 10:32-33 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly destroys the people of Lachish.

JS 10:34-35 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly destroys the Eglonites.

JS 10:36-37 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly destroys the Hebronites.

JS 10:38-39 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly destroys the Debirites.

JS 10:40 (A summary statement.) "So Joshua defeated the whole land ...; he left none remaining, but destroyed all that breathed, as the Lord God of Israel commanded."

My Comments: The above facts from the Bible are the worst tribal genocide of Ancient History. No other allegedly Divine Book has such widespread documentation of genocidal violence. Joshua and the God of Joshua are clearly documented as bloodthirsty War Criminals. Since the Creator God of the Universe can never command the bloody killing of His own creation, the followers of the Old Testament could be following a False God or demented/Psychopathic Priests who would stoop so low as to inflict genocide of women and children to occupy land illegally.

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posted June 03, 2013 10:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"shudder"
As a child I read about these forbidden things which are in the bible(s), and was told we are not allowed to question the lord almighty and the holy book.
I knew these things that their god condoned and or even ordered, were horribly wrong but was punished severely for questioning the holy good book.
The Dark Bible I post links to is a collection of the writings of the terrible things that are actually written in the Bible(s). http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/DarkBibleContents.htm

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posted June 03, 2013 10:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by iQ:
My Comments: The above facts from the Bible are the worst tribal genocide of Ancient History. No other allegedly Divine Book has such widespread documentation of genocidal violence. Joshua and the God of Joshua are clearly documented as bloodthirsty War Criminals. Since the Creator God of the Universe can never command the bloody killing of His own creation, the followers of the Old Testament could be following a False God or demented/Psychopathic Priests who would stoop so low as to inflict genocide of women and children to occupy land illegally.
Thank you for posting all that and giving your opinion.
We have a right to point these things out and to question them.
Oh yes people who believe the bible is all good will often become angry and claim we are lying or attacking them personally.
We are simply questioning, pointing out these Human Rights Abuse and Genocide in the Old Testament.
I and scholars have noticed the two radically different creation stories in the bible(s),
I have posted several times about that.
The God in Genesis One is NOT the same entity as the ego heavy psychotic LORD God in second Genesis and onward.
The atrocities are so horrible that it defies logic how anyone could call it the good book.

Again I must state:
I am not knocking anyone.
These things are written, and we have a right to question and discuss these things.

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posted June 03, 2013 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lei_Kuei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is their historical evidence to back up the claims of "Joshua utterly destroying whoever"...

Or is one just pointing to fictional horrors in a novel?

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posted June 03, 2013 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Lexx: Very good research from your side!
We need this discussion to understand the exact origins of the Bible, especially considering the fact that the Nag Hammadi texts precede the texts of the Nicene Conference. It must be exposed to the World that the Gnostics who held the Nag Hammadi scrolls dear were also persecuted and killed.
We have to question every inconsistency of every religious text if we are to get at the True Origin/The True Intention of the text.

@LeiKuei: Pertinent point but in historical studies, the victor's version is always considered the Truth. Maybe we can question the numbers killed but not the basic acts because the horrid acts are used as psychological motivation for more horror. And these invasions are later confirmed in the Quran as having occurred. Two different religions who claim to worship the same god and preach the same dichotomoy [Merciful God who is also the Roasting God] agree on the fact that Joshua led an invasion against various Tribes.

Suppose it is all fiction, then in that case the Bible is devoid of any divinity. In either case, it is unwise to rely on it as the sole source of Divine Wisdom.

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posted June 03, 2013 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lei_Kuei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not in any why defending the blasphemous tomes in question. As "sources" of spiritual wisdom its abhorrent that such stories are in there...

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And these invasions are later confirmed in the Quran as having occurred. Two different religions who claim to worship the same god and preach the same dichotomy [Merciful God who is also the Roasting God] agree on the fact that Joshua led an invasion against various Tribes.

However that does not prove a damn thing to me historically speaking, one novel quoting another is about as far as I'm willing to stretch it. Least I start wondering if Odysseus's adventures also really happened

In any case I find these Biblical "Pot-Shots" as it were to somewhat miss the target? Yes its good too point out to people that there are all these crazy warmongering stories in a "Holy Book", but "Human Rights Abuse and Genocide in the Old Testament"... that's quite misleading, since we DO NOT actually know for sure if such really happened

A more apt title would be : "Stories of Human Rights Abuse and Genocide in the Old Testament"

Anyhow, just something to think about -nods-

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posted June 03, 2013 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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