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Diplopoda
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posted September 15, 2013 06:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diplopoda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted September 15, 2013 07:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Complicated question. I think it firstly depends on the belief system & defining what The Devil and/or Satan means exactly. If you put it under the Christian Belief system, do realise this concept is not that old. Also the belief system there is that forces live outside of us.
If you look at older religions The Devil is one of the ancient life forces & thus life giving. Also it's debatable what 'dark forces' are exactly.
In my opinion there's both darker and lighter impulses in all of us (and also "God" & "the Devil" are within us and part of all) & I think we are all capable in forming our own value system. I don't belief The Devil tricks us, it's our own impulses that may or may not trick us in believing certain things and following certain paths. But if there is never any light used or truths not being re-examined by ourselves to see what actually is truth, it's easy to follow the crowd/what is being told/presented as being truth. Especially if we deny having any darker impulses ourselves.
So I think 'being tricked by The Devil' is a metaphor. How can The Devil tempt and trick you if the 'darker energies' don't live within us? I think that's what The Devil energy is about. He shows where our weaknesses & impulses can be found. He brings that to light (light bringer?).
Just my view of course.

Then again, I expect to be easily put on the stake for this. But how righteous is that?

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posted September 16, 2013 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moving to Divine Diversities.

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posted September 16, 2013 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Diplopoda:
I read that Anton Lavey on his deathbed realised how he was fooled by Sayton and wanted to repent.

I don't believe it. Sounds like the typical false witness certain fundies obsessed with Satan invent.

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The Qn is is it possible to be fooled? Alot of facts are present and there are much more xtian literature and warnings against the devil than there are literature that celebrate the latter.

Given the subjective nature of metaphysical realms then the possibility that entities from such realms are fooling us deserves consideration (that includes the Christian god by the way). There's also beliefs and writings (though the historical texts were almost all burned or possibly seized by the Vatican) that said God/Jesus was the real Satan and Satan was the champion opposed to tyranny. I've heard people give personal experiences how they believe the god of the Bible was an evil spirit that had fooled them and since the Old Testament god is friends with Satan and commands evil spirits to attack his enemies (such as I Kings 22) then it does make a sort of sense.

Oh, and even Aleister Crowley warned every spirit up to God Himself would lie to you if given the chance.

'Course many Muslims say Christians are fooled & deluded just as many Christians say about Muslims...what if both are right?

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I don't see how anyone can be fooled. They know what they're dealing with from the start

Of course one possible reason for you to say this is it's because you're being fooled (even mind controlled by an evil spirit) right now.

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Thing is why do people sell their souls willingly, sometimes even for fun? Why choose darkness when they can have light and love.

One, it would be a rare soul that got sold, and out of those it would seem (and probably is) just a game to them that they don't consider real (even if they're serious I'm sure they thought up the ritual to do it in themselves without any agents of the dark powers coming to them with the "deal of the century, just sign in blood..."). And two, Christianity brings other things besides (the rare) light & love that inflict unnecessary suffering, and other religions and forces bring light & love as well that doesn't torment them so much.

Furthermore, Christianity isn't a major world religion because the ancient Christians played nice with love, but rather their "light" was the fire of the pyre, and their "love" was torture so terrible that victims begged for the means to end their lives and then there were mass killings. If a thousand years of darkness and evil hadn't been used then Christianity would not be a major religion today...and how can something with roots like that be considered a tree of light & love?

Granted, Christianity (like all religions) have evolved...however, that's due to the Enlightenment and social progress rather than doctrine (doctrine fought it and continues to fight all it can against the civilizing influences). There were also ancient and medieval Christians who sounded like awesome people but they were typically tortured, terrorized, and murdered along with the pagans and heretics (the Malleus Maleficarum even listed the worst punishments for priests who helped people escape the Inquisition).

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On a side note, a past shaitanist said kfc is ruled by the devil.

What do u think?


I think the "past shaitanist" was a scam artist targeting a gullible niche market. And btw, I am aware of the rationale for saying KFC is ruled by Satan (or actually Freemasons) but I've weighed the claims on my scales and found them wanting. Well, Col. Sanders being a Freemason sounds plausible, but not that he made blood sacrifices in satanic rites or sold his soul in dark rites for a successful restaurant.

It doesn't help at all that so many "past Satantists" claim the magic of Harry Potter is literally real and other equally absurd things, its ruins their credibility.

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posted September 16, 2013 09:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Twirl
I like how you referred to devil/god in the more ancient mindset of metaphoric representations of our duality of being.

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posted September 17, 2013 03:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I do not find any reference to the spirit being Satan. Would you direct me to that?

It's not Biblical, rather different thinkers, occultists, mystics, and philosophers have decided God and Satan are one and the same. And before the Babylonians the Bible normally showed Satan as working for God as some sort of special prosecutor, but the religion of the Babylonians began to change the religion of the Hebrews until they, too, were a dualistic religion and that's why Satan shows up as God's worthy opponent rather than agent later on in the Bible.

Some Gnostics were among those who believed that Satan was the good guy, and I've heard of plenty of other groups. It's hard to say because when the Church seized their books they tended to burn them and/or stash them in secret vaults (in some cases they made copies before burning the original and apparently never thought anyone would question if the copy they made was accurate). As our species became more civilized then more people noticed just how vile the god of the Bible was along with using evil spirits against those who displeased him and that added to people saying they're one and the same. IIRC, one also said something about how Jesus and Satan both were represented by a lion.

I'll see if I can find a copy of a zine article on how someone claimed that God was Set.

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posted September 17, 2013 03:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here, that zine article that was once posted on a board for neopagans:


DEVIL WORSHIP? By Barry Gibbs

Recently, a friend spoke with me about the state of my soul. His concerned seemed sincere and genuine. So, I felt that I should investigate what he was talking about.

He seemed convinced that all the answers to Life's Questions and mysteries were contained within one book, called the Bible. So, I read it. It seemed to be a rehash of earlier myths with a twist of monotheism thrown in. Fascinating!

The majority of this book appears to be written by a people called Hebrews or Jews, and concerning a nation called Israel. So, who exactly --were-- these people?

The Jewish historian Flavius Josephus, (c. 1st century AD), identified the Hebrews of the Old Testament with the Hyksos peoples who settled in Northern Egypt during the 18th century BC. In about 1630 BC they seized power, and Hyksos kings ruled Egypt as the 15th dynasty (c. 1630-1521 BC)[1]. The native Egyptians were none too fond of the Hyksos, and after 108 years of Hyksos rule, they were overthrown. Some were chased out, some remained as slaves to the Egyptians.

The religion of the Bible is unique among mid-eastern religions in that it espoused a form of monotheism. So, where exactly did they get this unique idea of only one god?

Moses is regarded as the author of the first 5 books of the Bible (though strangely recounting his own death and burial, Deut. 34). The time of Moses is accepted as being the 14-13th century BC, just after the rule of Akhnaten, the heretic pharoah, who ruled Egypt in the 14th century BC. Ankhnaten was regarded as a heretic because of his unique idea of monotheism, worshipping Aten as the only god. Akhnaten is the first monotheist in recorded history. Moses was raised in a pharoah's house, (Exodus 2), and was undoubtedly exposed to the ideas of the despised Akhnaten. Moses adopted the idea of monotheism to the worship of the god of his people.

So, who exactly --was-- the god of the Hyksos?

Their chief deity was the god Set/Seth/Sutekh, the ass-headed god of the Egyptians [2]. This god, however, revealed His name to Moses as YHWH. Jehovah. (Exodus 6:3. Interestingly, this god says that he appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, but was not known by his name Jehovah. Yet in Genesis 22:14, Abraham names a place "Jehovah-Jirah" after him.) The name YHWH and its variants was not new, as noted by Robert Graves:

"...The name IAHU is far older than the Sixteenth Century BC and of wide distribution. It occurs in Egypt during the sixth dynasty (middle of the third millenium BC) as a title of the god Set." [3]

And further, in the form of denial, by the Christian author, William Drummond:

"It has been absurdly pretended by some of the pagan writers, that the Jews worshipped their god in the form of an --ass-- in the temple of Jerusalem. In order to support this...they remark, on the authority of Apion, who was an Egyptian, that [Hebrew letters, I can't duplicate them here], which without the --Masorah-- answers to the letters IHVH, signified as an --Ass--. They say, that --Jehovah-- was pronounced IAO, or IEO, and that this meant Ass in Egyptian. They further remark, that we continually meet with --Pi-Jao-- [Phi Jehovah, in Hebrew] in the mouth of the Lord [see, E.G., Numbers 9]...That Pi or Phi is nothing else than the Egyptian article, and that, therefore [more Hebrew letters] should be rendered --The Ass--. The absurdity of this reasoning needs not be pointed out." [4]

The ass, as reference to the ass-headed god Set, doesn't seem that absurd to me. From the third millenium BC to as recent as the 2nd century BC, where King Alexander Jannaeus the Maccabee captured the golden ass mask of Edomite Dora, and performed a magic ceremony in Jerusalem to summon the ass god. [5] Robert Graves comes to the conclusion that, "When Israel was in Egypt, Jehovah was Set," [6] as does Martin Bernal.

"There seems every reason to suppose that just as the Hyksos conquest can be identified with the Biblical sojourn in Egypt, the Hyksos Seth was the Israelite Yahwe." [7]

Having established that the Hebrew god Jehovah/Yawhe was previously known as Set/Seth, then what was the nature of this deity?

The Egyptian goddess of the night sky, Nut/Nuit and the earth god, Geb, had four children: Osiris, Isis, Set, and Nepthys. Set was jealous of his elder brother, and secretly aspired to the throne. Set, with seventy-two accomplices [note there are 72 spirits of the Goetia, my personal note, not the guy who wrote this], tricked Osiris into a wooden box and cast Him into the Nile. Isis rescued and resurrected Her brother/husband Osiris, and conceived a divine child, Horus. Set became infuriated and hacked Osiris' body into 14 pieces and scattered them. Again, Isis rescued Her beloved, and Osiris became Lord of the Dead.

In another myth, Set was protector of the sun god Ra/Re. The evil Set, however, betrayed Ra, and lead a rebellion against the sun god. Set's betrayel of Ra so enraged Ra's daughter, the gentle love goddess Hathor, that She assumed Her fierce aspect as Sekhmet to utterly destroy the rebellion.

Set was once a martial deity to the Egyptians, aiding them in battles. But He betrayed His people to their enemy, the Hebrews. According to J. Viaud, Set had "become the incarnation of the spirit of evil, in eternal opposition to the spirit of good[8]." Martin Beranl writes that:

"In Hellenistic Times, Seth was rendered Typhon but unlike all the other Egyptian gods, he lacked a Greek divine counterpart. The reason for this seems obvious: Seth as the epitome of evil could not be equated with a respectable divinity. [9]"

The evil reputation of Set in known in folklore as well:

"The breath of Set was the South wind from the deserts which, then, as now, caused a wave of criminal violence in Egypt, Libya, and Southern Europe whenever it blew. [10}"

So, Set was the epitome of evil. He betrayed and murdered his own brother Osiris. Set betrayed the sun-god Ra, whom he was sworn to protect. Set betrayed his own people to foreigners. Even Set's breath was evil, bringing waves of criminal violence. "All that is destruction and perversity arises from Set.[11]" For all practical purposes, Set was the Egyptian devil. This same deity became known as Jehovah, the god of the Bible. From his history of betrayel and his reputation for evil, this deity is not one who could be trusted. As the Bible itself says, know a tree by its fruit. (Matthew 7: 17-20.)

It seems my friend's soul, which he entrusted to this deity, is in more serious peril than my own. I've informed my well-intentioned friend that I want --no part-- of this devil-worshipping death cult of christianity.

Barry Gibbs


FOOTNOTES

1. --Encyclopedia Britannica-- Micropedia, vol. g, page 197, Hysksos.

2. --Encyclopedia Britannica-- Above cite; --Ancient Egyptian Pharaohs-- by Jo Forty, P. 66 (JG Press, MA 1998)

3. --The White Goddess--: A Historical Grammar of Poetic Myth by Robert Graves, p. 337 (33rd printing, Farrar, Straus, and Giraux, NY 1999)

4. --Oedipus Judaicus-- by William Drummond, P. 2-3 FN 1. (Random House, UK 1996)

5. --The White Goddess-- Above cite, p. 49, 278

6. ibid, p. 337

7. --Black Athena-- by Martin Bernal, Vol. 1, p. 66-67 (Rutgers University Press, New Brunswick, NJ 1991)

8. --New Larousse Encyclopedia of Mythology-- p. 19 (Crescent Books, NY 1989)

9. --Black Athena-- above cite, vol. 1, p 66-67

10. --The White Goddess-- above cite, p. 278

11. --New Larousse Encyclopedia of Mythology-- above cite. P. 20

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posted September 17, 2013 04:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Gnostic Religion by J. Jonas tells of how Archons (claiming to be gods or celestial servants of those gods, giving "laws" contrary to Creation, and permeating the Monotheistic religions, but also Hinduism and others) oppose the exodus of souls to higher planes, seeking to keep us ignorant and entangled in the lies they weave for us, for they cannot live without us. (Could Archons be the Men In Black?) Our souls are "the dew from Above" that gives them the strength to exist.

I wish I could recall which book it is by Charles Fort on the strange it was, but I can't, but he made the observation that it appeared there was a supernatural force or forces that saw and treated humanity like cattle and were careful to nurture certain beliefs while preventing us from figuring out what was going on.

Robert Monroe is well known for his OOBE books, and he has encountered Archonic entities, which he calls "intelligence forces":

The same impersonal probing, the same power, from the same angle. However, this time I received the impression that I was inextricably bound by loyalty to this intelligence force, always had been, and that I had a job to perform here on earth. The job was not necessarily to my liking, but I was assigned to it. The impression was that I was manning a 'pumping station', that it was dirty, ordinary job but it was mine and I was stuck with it, and nothing, absolutely nothing could alter the situation...I got the impression of huge pipes, so ancient they were covered with undergrowth and rust. Something like oil was passing through them, but it was much higher in energy than oil, and vitally needed and valuable elsewhere (assumption: not on this material planet). This has been going on for eons of time, and there were other force groups here, taking out the same material on some highly competitive basis, and the material was converted at some distant point or civilization for something very valuable to entities far above my ability to understand...

Again, there was the feeling of being the pumping station attendant, the approach of the entity down the beam....the search of my mind...I mentally (orally also?) asked who they were, and received an answer that I could not begin to translate or understand. Then I felt them beginning to leave, and I asked for some indication that they had been there, but was rewarded only with paternal amusement. Then they seemed to soar into the sky, while I was calling after them, pleading. Then I was sure that their mentality and intelligence were far beyond my understanding. It is impersonal, cold intelligence, with none of the emotions of love or compassion which we respect so much, yet this may be the omnipotence we call God. Visits such as these in mankind's past could well have been the basis for religious beliefs, and our knowledge today could provide no better answers than we could a thousand years past. By this time, it was getting light, and I sat down and cried, great deep sobs as I have never cried before, because I knew without any qualification or future hope of change that the God of my childhood, of the churches,of religion throughout the world was not as we worshipped him to be--and for the rest of my life I would suffer the loss of this illusion.

--Robert Monroe Journeys Out of the Body

I can add more still.

The point being, Diplopoda should apply the question of can one be fooled by "Shayton" (or other evil spirit) to herself, because maybe she herself has been fooled, and that's an interesting twist for this thread that also deals with the question she asked even if she never intended it for herself (and yet as an honest question the possibility has to be considered as well).

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posted September 17, 2013 06:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
PixieJane
I shall try to reply more later today.

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posted September 17, 2013 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diplopoda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lexxigramer,

I don't like the metaphoric usage, because it shows me that it is taking the intellectual view of things. It's more like a spectator sport. I'm not here to preach, as you're here to nitpick my words.

I've been a seeker for a long time, and I am just stating what I felt, and for this thread, I am stating my doubts. Please don't cross threads or bring in info from other threads. This doesn't mean in any shape or form, that I am a christian. Being a believer in god is different from being a member of an organised religion.

Usually people "preach" for a reason. alot of times the reason is to better understand what they're preaching.

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posted September 17, 2013 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diplopoda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Your personal assertions are ridiculous. I have in no way shape or form made this a personal attack unto anyone, yet you have made this into a personal attack on me. Maybe if you had used a detached manner of answering I wouldn't question your level of sanity.

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I don't see how anyone can be fooled. They know what they're dealing with from the start

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Of course one possible reason for you to say this is it's because you're being fooled (even mind controlled by an evil spirit) right now.

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posted September 17, 2013 04:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it would still need a definition of what you see as Satan & The Devil first. Otherwise I (and I assume others) don't know what you mean by it.
And out of my curiosity: is Sayten a different way of spelling Satan? Or is it spelled like this for other reasons?

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posted September 17, 2013 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diplopoda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Twirl. It's just a different spelling. I didnt want to channel the entity by saying the exact name. Changing the spelling can block it out.

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posted September 17, 2013 06:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Diplopoda, NOT a personal attack on you. You asked a question if others who believed differently than you were fooled by an evil spiritual entity and I said it was, but it was just as possible that you, too, were fooled, just as they were. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander and if you can ask how others hold different beliefs and if it's because Satan tricked them then why can't you be asked the same question in turn? Especially as it comes down to the real question of how do you REALLY know? Nowhere did I attack you, though I did challenge your idea of God, and you're acting as if I personally insulted you. Are you God? No? Then why feel attacked? I can understand your feeling confused or baffled or even disturbed, but not attacked.

And btw, if you look around you'll see I question my own beliefs all the time (and typically respond well to those who ask probing questions as I did you), including my experiences with the paranormal and divine. It doesn't bother me so I find it hard to understand why it bothers you. But since it does then I suggest you don't throw stones at the beliefs at others anymore as your own glass house doesn't seem able to take it when someone picks up one of your own thrown stones ("are you fooled by Satan?" to potentially everyone who believes differently than you) to throw it back (if you find it insulting to be asked this then you should consider it insulting to ask others the same question ESPECIALLY when you originally posted this at Through The Looking Glass where you knew your target audience likely dabbled in such things at least).

Btw, I wouldn't have replied to this thread at all but you put in, "What do you think?" So I shared what I thought as requested. If you want others to simply agree with you then NEVER ask a Libra to bring out the scales by asking us what we think (especially not one with as much Sag and a dollop of Scorpio and Leo like me).

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posted September 17, 2013 10:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diplopoda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How verry presumptuous of you. You don't talk like a Libra at all BTW.

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Btw, I wouldn't have replied to this thread at all but you put in, "What do you think?" So I shared what I thought as requested. If you want others to simply agree with you then NEVER ask a Libra to bring out the scales by asking us what we think (especially not one with as much Sag and a dollop of Scorpio and Leo like me).


I feel the same and I am not a Libran.
If he only wanted folks to agree with him,
well I would have avoided this thread.
On that note......

Diplopoda....
I will not address you again.

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posted September 18, 2013 02:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, changing the spelling to avoid channeling.
Okido, well...this thread seemed to have died. I assume that defining what it means, isn't happening.

For what it's worth, I very much liked the questions & information posted. I think they tickle the brain & challenge to look at it from different angles. Being able to examine & question the own beliefs is what leads to a deeper understanding in my opinion. Switching perspectives or considering another side isn't something that is (or has to feel) personal. It's being open to something else & creates understanding. Even if disagreed. Are thoughts and feelings truth? Or are they just that, 'a' thought and 'a' feeling?
Anyway... It's really early here & in need of coffee...
Byebye peeps on this thread

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Bye Twirl.
Btw I was writing based on experiences and not perspectives. There's a difference. I wasn't sure how what was posted was related anyhow. I won't say more anyway

Leaving this thread with a nice image

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posted September 18, 2013 11:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To describe any experience one should put across how & why you see something (and/or feel about it). Otherwise others keep guessing what you mean in the first place. If I don't know how you see the Devil, if you consider yourself Christian, etc, how can I possibly understand what you are trying to put across & what perspective you have. So it's all about perspective to start with. Now I just think: I assume she beliefs Satan is real & beliefs in hell and maybe she didn't think about it much, because she doesn't want to share how she sees it in the first place, but perhaps she is just afraid to talk about it or she just beliefs there's only one way in life or she actually didn't want to discuss but preach after all. Without putting anything in a certain perspective there's no conversation, just assumptions and I might very well type this in Spanish. If you are not willing to examine how you've come to belief or want to share that at the very least or try to see how others may look at it differently, I don't understand why you would open this thread in the first place.


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To describe any experience one should put across how & why you see something (and/or feel about it). Otherwise others keep guessing what you mean in the first place. If I don't know how you see the Devil, if you consider yourself Christian, etc, how can I possibly understand what you are trying to put across & what perspective you have. So it's all about perspective to start with. Now I just think: I assume she beliefs Satan is real & beliefs in hell and maybe she didn't think about it much, because she doesn't want to share how she sees it in the first place, but perhaps she is just afraid to talk about it or she just beliefs there's only one way in life or she actually didn't want to discuss but preach after all. Without putting anything in a certain perspective there's no conversation, just assumptions and I might very well type this in Spanish. If you are not willing to examine how you've come to belief or want to share that at the very least or try to see how others may look at it differently, I don't understand why you would open this thread in the first place.



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To describe any experience one should put across how & why you see something (and/or feel about it). Otherwise others keep guessing what you mean in the first place. If I don't know how you see the Devil, if you consider yourself Christian, etc, how can I possibly understand what you are trying to put across & what perspective you have. So it's all about perspective to start with. Now I just think: I assume she beliefs Satan is real & beliefs in hell and maybe she didn't think about it much, because she doesn't want to share how she sees it in the first place, but perhaps she is just afraid to talk about it or she just beliefs there's only one way in life or she actually didn't want to discuss but preach after all. Without putting anything in a certain perspective there's no conversation, just assumptions and I might very well type this in Spanish. If you are not willing to examine how you've come to belief or want to share that at the very least or try to see how others may look at it differently, I don't understand why you would open this thread in the first place.



It's only about perspective if you're an outsider looking in.

I posted this in the hopes someone would know where I'm coming from and furnish me w the answ I need x

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quote:
Originally posted by Twirl:
To describe any experience one should put across how & why you see something (and/or feel about it). Otherwise others keep guessing what you mean in the first place. If I don't know how you see the Devil, if you consider yourself Christian, etc, how can I possibly understand what you are trying to put across & what perspective you have. So it's all about perspective to start with. Now I just think: I assume she beliefs Satan is real & beliefs in hell and maybe she didn't think about it much, because she doesn't want to share how she sees it in the first place, but perhaps she is just afraid to talk about it or she just beliefs there's only one way in life or she actually didn't want to discuss but preach after all. Without putting anything in a certain perspective there's no conversation, just assumptions and I might very well type this in Spanish. If you are not willing to examine how you've come to belief or want to share that at the very least or try to see how others may look at it differently, I don't understand why you would open this thread in the first place.



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Originally posted by Lexxigramer:
Well said.


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