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Topic: Fooled by Sayten?
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Lexxigramer
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posted September 18, 2013 04:48 PM
  
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Diplopoda
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posted September 18, 2013 05:14 PM
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Twirl
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posted September 18, 2013 05:32 PM
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Originally posted by Diplopoda:
It's only about perspective if you're an outsider looking in.I posted this in the hopes someone would know where I'm coming from and furnish me w the answ I need x
I disagree with that. You can ask 10 people who just saw 3 people walking by & they will all give you a different description of what happened/those people.
Also, you assume I'm an outsider, but who says I actually didn't spend time in church?
Long story short: think you can either ask questions in Christian communities altough I stand by my first answer: you can only be 'tricked' if there's an internal desire within you to play with. So the 'tricking' is done with your own temptations. So ultimately the devil doesn't trick, we trick ourselves.
That's why the following card in tarot is the tower; the destructions of structure we believed were true, but turned out false. The chains from the devil we put on ourselves. This is also the answer to your other question: why tarot is perceived by the church as tools from The Devil. IP: Logged |
MetalAphrodite
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posted September 18, 2013 09:09 PM
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Originally posted by Diplopoda:
Is it possible for anyone to be fewled by Shayton?I read that Anton Lavey on his deathbed realised how he was fooled by Sayton and wanted to repent. The Qn is is it possible to be fooled? Alot of facts are present and there are much more xtian literature and warnings against the devil than there are literature that celebrate the latter.
The latter of what?It's possible to be fooled by anyone. If we're defining Satan/Shayton according to the Holy Bible, you have to first identify his role in an individual's life. quote:
I don't see how anyone can be fooled. They know what they're dealing with from the startWhat did they think they could get by following the dark path such that they feel cheated at the end?
Do you really think that's the case? That any one individual knew the 100% absolute truth at any given point in time before they lived their lives and that they should stick to that path unwaveringly?I found it interesting that the tree of knowledge of good and evil was that- a tree whose fruit contained knowledge of good AND evil. Consider this for a second. I'm not sure how much research you've done about eating from the tree of life, or what traits are prescribed to people who eat of the tree of life, but it's something I'm still trying to digest and understand. A person who claims to know 100% truth and claims to never have been fooled treads a fine line into foolishness. We can only measure what is by admitting what we don't know. Otherwise, hubris may be a strong culprit towards jerking us around down a destructive path in general. quote:
Some people say Lucider is the bringer of light and God is the one fooling us by keeping knowledge from us which is our birthrightThing is why do people sell their souls willingly, sometimes even for fun? Why choose darkness when they can have light and love.
I don't prescribe to the belief that Lucifer is the bringer of light. All I know is that the bible is my foundation of knowledge. I regard it as one big parable to sort through, whose knowledge can be answered within the same book(I only read KJV. I should probably try learning the original language of the bible to have a stronger understanding of the knowledge). quote:
On a side note, a past shaitanist said kfc is ruled by the devil.
I don't understand the purpose of this statement. Just as there are different denominations of the Christian religion and people who worship and believe differently in the Christian faith, I'm sure there are differing sects of Shaitanists/Satanists as well. Having said that, I'm not sure why you chose to randomly throw KFC, of all places, in your OP. quote:
What do u think?
I'm curious as to what exactly are you trying to define and destroy here. It seems like you're trying to identify what doesn't belong...Like, do you like KFC but now are conflicted as to whether or not that's okay since one person told you it was affiliated with the devil? <-- Just an example.
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hippichick
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posted September 19, 2013 12:31 PM
Ok...deep breath, Terri~ I was raised a "Christian" but even as a babe I sat in the pews wondering why we "worshipped" a dead man on a cross? Twirl and Pixie, great answers! (I loathe quoting) Years ago, as still a baby nurse I struck a bond with a patient in the ICU. He was into the same music I was, his gfriend was cool too... Then: he was intently reading this book, very intently... Taking notes etc. Then he went off to a procedure and left the book there, I got nosey and curious: Yea, Anton LaVey's Satanic Bible... I was shocked! Well into my own path by then, found my own spritual path without religion, but I was still shocked! So, when he comes back I question him on it. He tells me it is not to be taken literally, no more than "The Bible" I was still angry, preached to him on my anti devil perspective at that point in my life and let well enough alone. Years later...another hospital, here he is again... YEARS later.
I said "do you remember me?"
He said "yes I do." And that is all the exchange we needed. Still a really cool guy. Years forward, I go to LL and see this post, will have to try to find it on Satinism or the like.....read it off and on. Then I got curious and researched Anton LaVey and Crowley... Their tennents make somewhat sense to me, a little harsh and quite negative, but it is not what tis seems, IF one is truely following the word of these two founders. Wicca was founded only about 60 years ago, and it is a baby religion as Satinism is. Religion is a term I dont buy into. I take little grains of truth from all and make my own path. And I must mention that I can say this, again after having a horrid experience in my house Monday...the house was formerly inhabited by "Satinists." Now, what am I going to do with that information? Not do what I did to try to shoo it away on Monday, but I am going to not buy into Satinism, Christianity, Buddhism, etc... But I am going to buy into love, and pureness and presence of be-ing.... So, anybody who is "fooled by Satan" is fooled by themselves.
There is always that devil/angel on opposing shoudlers, metaphorically speaking, one can choose to listen to the extraneous environment or one can choose to listen to one's heart, which is always, always, connected to soul, the Divine, The Universe...
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hippichick
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posted September 19, 2013 12:48 PM
found it
Great search engine Randall!!!
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum21/HTML/000495.html IP: Logged |
Diplopoda
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posted September 20, 2013 05:48 AM
Hippi
Lets not get into semantics here.
I read your post and yeah u chose spirituality over organized religionYou give full power to man and assume they're more powerful than the beings above them. Nobody has yet to answer my question with a full understanding. Intellectual curiosity is different from experience. IP: Logged |
Diplopoda
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posted September 20, 2013 06:05 AM
I was asking if anyone had direct experience and not something they read and debate about.The KFC example was from an ex Shatanist who converted because they prayed to the former and they get to eat that meal that they couldn't before. Hard to explain. IP: Logged |
Twirl
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posted September 20, 2013 06:26 AM
It's like talking to the 4 of pentacles.
While you have said others are presumptuous, you actually are, because you don't even seem to want to put the time or polite effort in and explain your viewpoint or take the time to politely respond to people that did take the time to explain. That's how conversations start generally.
Again, I'd advice you to post on a Christian forum which provide you with answers you wish to hear, because you are not open to any other answers nor options nor seem to want to even think about it & I find your responses plain rude.
Luckily I just explained that that's just 'a' viewpoint & a matter of perspective, but I would like to add this perspective has been based on an experience: the replies you have written on this thread. And perhaps more people experienced it this way as well. Would that make it real to you? @Hippi: I found your story very interesting. Thank you for sharing how that worked for you. IP: Logged |
Diplopoda
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posted September 20, 2013 06:55 AM
I would respond in kind to a sincere answer but I felt the answers were acuusatory and ganging up againist me. You mentioned I didn't respect your opinion nor that of your friends'. But u didnt respond to mine and also wanted to refute without properly understanding what I'm speaking of. If you don't want me to post here any more just say so. I'd go where answers are given by more than one person n not strings of words.IP: Logged |
Twirl
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posted September 20, 2013 07:54 AM
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Originally posted by Diplopoda:
I would respond in kind to a sincere answer but I felt the answers were acuusatory and ganging up againist me. You mentioned I didn't respect your opinion nor that of your friends'. But u didnt respond to mine and also wanted to refute without properly understanding what I'm speaking of. If you don't want me to post here any more just say so. I'd go where answers are given by more than one person n not strings of words.
I'm sorry you feel that way. If you will re-read your thread I think you will find this is an inaccurate statement since you now actually twisted it around 180 degrees. I specifically asked you what you were speaking of & how you saw it so I could understand, even after I had no reply on my first answer at all. Also you have been given answers by 5 people so far. That counts for more than one in my opinion. If you would just also have listened to what the others had to say and explain at the same time why you felt this way or how you see it, I think it would have been a different conversation.
And I think you misunderstand me if you think I do not want you to post here. There's freedom of speech, this is a forum and you must do what you feel is right.
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Diplopoda
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posted September 20, 2013 08:21 AM
There's a reason I didnt explain further.Some things shouldn't be spoken of I don't want negativities attached to me I had a first hand experience of speaking about someone with plenty dark entities and they came to me instead. Whenever I speak of something evil I get bad feelings I don't want that. If you do go ahead and speak amongst yourselves. I have had enough. Go ahead and think the devil is cool, read their manuals , watch their movies and listen to their music... I'm not here to preach or tell u what to do Just don't want to talk about it. If u have had a first hand experience u wld kno what I'm talking abt But u don't so u keep questioning. IP: Logged |
Diplopoda
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posted September 20, 2013 08:51 AM
One more thing: God Blesses
The Devil CursesHow one can be fooled by the devil: the devil promises insane riches and success And they deliver but the price you pay is your soul. If you're really interested go google about selling your soul. I did google it before. But be careful when reading the contracts, u don't want to be accidentally tricked into selling ur soul. Remember words have meaning and value especially in utterance. U say your pagan but u don't even understand that Alot of pp sell their souks sometimes for fun like pixie said but its real and not a joke.
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Twirl
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posted September 20, 2013 09:02 AM
So the actual question was: "I had a bad experience with what I belief are evil energies. I am now afraid if it's actually possible to get harmed or tempted by Shayton & I wonder if any of you had similar scary experiences & how you have dealt with it. I don't feel comfortable discussing how I see it, because I feel that envokes negative vibes and it makes me scared.
Have you heard similar experiences and how do you deal with it?" Anyway, enough time spend indeed on my part. Hope you will find your answers.
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Twirl
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posted September 20, 2013 09:04 AM
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Originally posted by Diplopoda:
One more thing: God Blesses
The Devil CursesHow one can be fooled by the devil: the devil promises insane riches and success And they deliver but the price you pay is your soul. If you're really interested go google about selling your soul. I did google it before. But be careful when reading the contracts, u don't want to be accidentally tricked into selling ur soul. Remember words have meaning and value especially in utterance. U say your pagan but u don't even understand that Alot of pp sell their souks sometimes for fun like pixie said but its real and not a joke.
Is this addressed to me?
Also, one of the 'traits' operated on is 'fear' which keeps the chains of The Devil firmly in place. You can keep on assuming things I suppose without checking your facts. Best of luck. IP: Logged |
Diplopoda
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posted September 20, 2013 09:28 AM
Lol you are funnyGo ahead thinking you can be more powerful than the dev just by your magical thinking IP: Logged |
Diplopoda
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posted September 20, 2013 09:30 AM
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Twirl
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posted September 20, 2013 09:34 AM
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Originally posted by Diplopoda:
Lol you are funnyGo ahead thinking you can be more powerful than the dev just by your magical thinking
Ooh, I'm not that sure... He just seemed to reply to me on this forum AND tricked me into spending my time and energy into this reply...
Wow. That is in fact something to think about. How interesting. Thank you very much for your opinion & insights!
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Diplopoda
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posted September 20, 2013 09:39 AM
 Nah I'm not the dev You just haven't mrt him that's why you're replying like a duck on a hot plate right now :/ Count yourself blessed IP: Logged |
NoRainNoRainbows
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posted September 20, 2013 12:12 PM
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Originally posted by Diplopoda:
By the way twirl you are really a woman? You sound like a fkn man. If you're a woman u know we don't operate on ego. U can say I'm scurred but that doesn't spur me to be scurred of your scary taunts.
Darn drag quinns
Not interested in this conversation at all, and not the forum i'm supposed to moderate, but i will tell you that actually Twirl is a woman, a very beautiful one to. and yes very smart. not throwing emotions all over the place, is actually a sign of politeness not gender specificness. so I have no idea what the point of your very insulting post was. exchanging opinions, no matter how different is welcome, insulting people or accusing them of silly stuff for the fun of it, is well....just plain silly. PS(Hope the moderators of this forum step in next time, before it gets too personal, and about insults) IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted September 20, 2013 01:58 PM
Please, watch the personal insults.IP: Logged |
PixieJane
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posted September 20, 2013 07:32 PM
The only reason I'm not locking this thread now is because Randall has intervened. My suggestion to any who wish to discuss the other subjects brought up that others found of interest is to start a new thread (copying & pasting from here if you wish) and let this one die gracefully. Obviously, anything by the OP should be left out of the new thread. IP: Logged |
Lexxigramer
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posted September 20, 2013 08:04 PM
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
The only reason I'm not locking this thread now is because Randall has intervened. My suggestion to any who wish to discuss the other subjects brought up that others found of interest is to start a new thread (copying & pasting from here if you wish) and let this one die gracefully. Obviously, anything by the OP should left out of the new thread.
Same here.
That insult post was really nasty and gender biased and even homophobic and more.
Ugh. 
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Lexxigramer
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posted September 20, 2013 08:08 PM
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Originally posted by NoRainNoRainbows:
PS(Hope the moderators of this forum step in next time, before it gets too personal, and about insults)
I would have; and seriously wanted to step in;
but for the past several months too many people have gone at me negatively for simply doing my moderating job by the exact rules posted by Randall. 
Worse yet is a few were mods too, oddly supporting and or encouraging rule breaking and some going at me with insults "for picking on so and so".
I am tired of some people treating me nasty just for doing my moderating job as Randall wants it done. IP: Logged |
hippichick
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posted September 28, 2013 07:26 PM
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Originally posted by Diplopoda:
Hippi
Lets not get into semantics here.
I read your post and yeah u chose spirituality over organized religionYou give full power to man and assume they're more powerful than the beings above them. Nobody has yet to answer my question with a full understanding. Intellectual curiosity is different from experience.
I give full power to what man?  Pure essence of love is not a man, not that I know of anyway...If so, enlighten me, surely I am missing something  IP: Logged |
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