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When I was in my 20s, I was in a new-age type conference program meeting. It was deep evening. The room was darkened. Heart-opening music was playing (? ~ Pachelbel Cannon in D) . We were supposed to be paying attention to ourselves, doing an emotional and energetic-Release-- viewing our present lives and people we've known from our growing up past, using a Higher "Compassionate" viewpoint and perspective. Forgiveness.

There were over 50 people spread out over the carpeted floor, laying on mats in that darkened room. Soft music playing.

Suddenly! There was shrieking, and a great commotion going on in the far end of the room. It was the only more brightly lighted area at a very-far distance (opposite end of this long-narrow room) from where I was.

Helper-persons had gathered around this woman continuously flailing and screaming and shrieking, in drama and complete hysterics. (Couldn't really seem to discern what she was saying.)

A part of me was curious to know and see but!, I strictly kept my head down and eyes lowered, in order to give this poor woman "privacy"--. I returned once again to concentrate on the assigned task for this program's evening.

This woman (whom later I realized I had personally met and knew things about) was in actuality suffering from acute mental-illness; she was triggered into a breakdown (catharsis) on that night. She had come to the brink of a realization of the consequences suffered from the wrong that her husband had been doing to her. The family had already been financially sunk before, then revived by her own hard efforts. Once again, he had completely in totality devastated the family's finances-- Blame? he had had a gambling-addiction. They were still legally married. Now she and her small son were losing their grand home. She and her son had started to live in her car.
--
This woman's purge went on past the point of no return; refusing to be consoled! It was disrupting to the atmospheric lift -- at this moment, the crux of the entire shadow-work program experience.

What I semi-found out afterwards, was that this woman (on the other side of the room) was hysterically claiming to have known me in a past-life. In her fantasy, she was wildly accusing me of horrible impossible things.

One of the helper-people had come by my spot to see how I was doing.. and I was fine-- still working the assignment. (Unaware that I had become the energetic target of this woman's outburst.)

I had put my head back down.
Then suddenly---

I spontaneously began experiencing an Open Vision. I'd never had anything 'like this' happen to me (during awake hours) before! Like a switch, I was incredibly lucid and felt transported to somewhere-else at some other time and place, walking a path in a natural setting...

I walked along when suddenly I 'saw' before me the sight of Jesus hanging on The Cross. I knew I was 'invisible', unseen, and I sunk down to sit at the base of the Cross under his right arm... I looked out on the darkened valley below. The Cross was situated on a cliff (a Mount).
I didn't know if it was sunrise or sunset-- but the skyline was vividly outlined.
Although it was day, the sky above was completely dark-- the stars were out. The horizon was glowing with gorgeous deep golds, yellows, orange and reds.

As I sat there, far out on the horizon of hills/mountains that encircled the valley below, I observed people making their way towards the Cross. They walked in a single-file along narrow dirt paths in the sides of the hills as they made the descent, in separate small groups, tribes. I noticed how they were dressed in their various international cultural outfits as they came. Within each small group, one person was carrying a lighted torch.

I watched the groups appear out in the horizon. The twinkling lights of their torches moved along the trails, through passages in-between the dark mountain hills.

Eventually the various groups had all joined together inside the 'bowl' of this dark valley. They were there to observe this event. They were Witnesses, silent, and looking up at The Man on The Cross. The deep dark of this valley twinkled with these pin-points of lights from individual torches below.

I thought I was all alone--
Felt as though no one knew I existed on earth: not a soul.
I felt invisible and completely unseen.
I continued witnessing this event -- this gathering -- as a non-person crouched at the base with my back supported by the wood of the Cross.

Suddenly, from nowhere I Heard a man's voice {?FatherGod}. He spoke in a Strength, and I noticed the Voice was intimately speaking into-me--
{the 'me'-- the one who wasn't thinking she was visible, who was not counted at all~~ by anyone}.
He had Love and an OverStrength.

He pointed out that 'all these I see' were each my soul's personal assignments.

{It was informing that I HAD a Purpose and a Reason for being Here. That I had a personal-charge of (Caring) and responsibility over these-- over this Gathering of individuals--- over each individual soul-- within each small represented-group.}
..
And before I could be 'daunted' by the impact and crush of Reality of the Task that was before me, the energy instantly shifted me back into the room (softly).

I found myself back in this reality, grounded in the environment of the room with everyone, from wherever it was I'd just been. Checking, I was really truly okay.
. .

2001
I am not accustomed to having spontaneous lucid "open visions." My only-few experiences before had come in the way of night-dreams.
So I'd only had one more of 'those' open ones was at end of Feb 2001, while in a conference, Saturday morning, during a Worship Song Service at an out-of-State convention.
I was standing, singing with all the meaning in my Heart, when I instantly completely shifted-out of being conscious standing in the room for moment. The shift took me into heavenly realms where I was given a revelation, then in a snap transported back into that room. Normal.
. .
In 'that' momentary experience,
God supplied me FULL, with an anchored Soul Knowing that He Loved Me--. It made a Healing difference in me that lasted to even now, over a decade past.
..
Happened just before I went through another horrendous time-period, of terrible trials in my life. I was about to be 'betrayed', and my life placed into terrible jeopardy because of it.

I've had a few nightdreams that had turned lucid before.
There was NOTHING that compared to 'this'!, ever again, in my whole lifetime.
Haven't had anything like it since.


I have played with the notion of Past Lifetimes.
From my own inner observations I would not cancel that idea.
The most IMPORTANT LIFE, is the 'one' being alive in NOW-- in the body that reads my posts.

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What "bothers" me about eastern-religious-philosophy, is how impossibly-condemning it is. -- You can't get out of (negatively) "owing" other people, and are doomed to suffer being forever in the condition of 'deficit' with harsh penalty-- being ever-burdened under cruel eternal "punishments" life after life after life?

{Reminds me of mythological Prometheus and Chiron(Jesus)!!}


Children are 'abused' by the freewill of others.
Children are 'abused' by priests and clergy?
-- so,
Are we to point the punishing finger of 'blame' and scapegoat these, as "having deserved it"?
That maybe these are under the spell of retrograde planets that demand they still need to be punished?

That's where this eastern-notion 'fails' in its Compassion in this 3D world--
"Original Sin"! Are we are still suffering karmic punishments for the mistakes others made?


In Christian perspective..
"original karma-seed" was obliterated and destroyed by the one-time for all Sacrifice of "Jesus" who allowed his 'self' to be punished-- absorbed ALL (sin-eater) as the "hanging-scapegoat" for The Collective Soul!

His Act expunged EVERY incepting-sin seed that keeps people bound to the 'wheel' of karma.

From the sacrificial ONE act, alchemically/metaphysically..
Every single karmic debt-owed--
whether for previous or future (lives) --
was written-off as satisfied!
The Karmic DEBT is Paid.

Debtors no more,
the ONLY debt we have now,
is to Love One Another.
~ Romans 13:8

It was a private Promised arrangement between SourceGod, down through his Body-Representative brought here to earth (Jesus)
through Mary's body, and the Supernatural fertilization by being OverShadowed by the Holy Spirit (which is the Force-emanation from the Love between Father+Son).
God from God. Light from Light.
Mystery of True God from True God.

When Jesus descended into the hell-realms after body-death, he 'freed' the souls in that realm (pleasant place called Paradise), who were 'trapped' there after their passing from the body.

Upper Heavens had been closed--
access had been barred with a veil or ceiling in place.

The sacrifice of Jesus {"the Alpha-and-Omega"} PAID-in-Full ALL 'consequences'. Punishments associated with ALL DEBTS that were Energetically-Karmically Owed --
{and which was not 'our' own individual-fault, as we had Inherited it}.

It was an alchemical, metaphysical Mystical moment and Event-- closed out a circle of ages, and incepted the opening of a new one.

Your 'originating-karma seed' was destroyed and expunged from the Collective.

This is also why an Awakening IS Possible.
We now have Direct-Access to God.
We are under Open-Heavens now.
Portal is Available.
Gates have been removed.

Because we don't have an evolved 'flesh-nature', we commit individual personal sins (mistakes/wrong-doings), for which we are responsible to make-amends for.

'You are forgiven-- now Go and sin no more' is what Jesus said to the woman about to pay the law-penalty-- of being stoned to death-- because "the men" caught her having sex with another "man" in the community --> .. They placed the death-penalty on HER, and didn't ~seem to feel that her partner-in-crime deserved punishment??? hmmm.

BE your Best Self.
Forgive yourself for mistakes made.
Allow others to be forgiven for theirs.

In Christian parlance,
'It's all under the Blood'..
Your Debt is Forgiven.
BE Liberated.

Walk in Freedom-- IN this lifetime.
Have Compassion for Others.
Help Others who are burdened to 'lighten' their loads.

'Bear one-another's burdens'
- Galatians 6:2

Be Light Bearers

(music) Love One Another
(Glad, acapella)
[2:32] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwvou61wOPo

(music) Free At Last
(Rambo-McGuire, perf by Pattie Howard, gospel)
[2:54] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV-iInEDJ_U

Surrender ALL Karma

(music) Withholding Nothing
(William McDowell, lyrics)
[4:33] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdnV75zIQUA


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Much-Later Note:
After reading this, I looked into my ephemeris for the date of that experience.
1979, there was a Total New Moon Eclipse 29.01 Leo ON that day of the program, in my tropical Ninth House.
Eclipse was conjunct Venus 27+ Leo with Jupiter nearby at 21+.
I was not sky-aware (in astronomy nor astrology) during that period of my life.

Looking back: What I do know is that I've been eclipse-sensitive throughout my life, and without realizing it.

I had thought to remove my post, but, I'll let it stand as-is. It belongs to this past-life thread, in that it adds a non-eastern way that some can view this topic.

Be Blessed
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Can you imagine a reality show like this? "Follow this Jewish Black girl as she tries to grow up...and in her last life was Hitler."

Oh good gods, they'd have to have incredible security on her, given both the people who hate Hitler, and those who worship Hitler and sure it was just Jewish propaganda...

Though the whole world would be different. There wouldn't be much use for school (though it doesn't teach much anyway), and good gods, can you imagine history class? History is not only written by the victors, but also manipulated by anyone who wants to control the future (so how it's interpreted changed every generation). That would be much harder to do with, "Uh, I was there."

Although I have heard people mention that they felt they were killed in a previous life because of someone else in an even more previous life recognizing them (that is their souls recognized one another though they were strangers in that life), and violent hostility resulted (just as others claim a sense of knowing, peace, and even love came over them when meeting others from previous lives).

Okay, that's enough of me thinking about that right now.

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Good one, Pixie!

{sarcasm}
In that reality-tv show, the Jewish Black Girl, who had once lived as Hitler would NOW become the target of HATE. ..

But WHAT hate----
Would it be due to her skin-color?
Her religion?
Her female gender parts? ..

The KKK Nazi-renaissance political groups wouldn't be able to recognize her, even though SHE'D BE "the" soul-incarnation of their "beloved inspirer and leader"...

How much self-love-hate would Hitler experience looking in the mirror? Or!! How he/she'd handle getting along with parents, rabbi/teachers???

WWHD ? {despicable}

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I've found that reincarnation works differently than some philosophies seem to think it does. In some belief systems, we have one Soul that comes into the physical from the nonphysical and when the body dies, goes back into the nonphysical to rinse and repeat ad nauseum until we get it fully right.

I use to believe in this back when belief was more of a focus. But when I decided to drop dogma and human beliefs of all kinds, and go within and communicate with guidance directly primarily as a way of gaining information, perspectives started to change in many areas and on many levels.

One of those was the reincnartion process. I've found that direct, literal reincarnation of a particular Soul is actually the exception to the rule, rather than the rule.

Most incarnations are about a "larger" (metaphorically speaking) part of ourselves which we could call our Expanded self, our original Light being self, our Spirit self or whatever you want to call it, which creates Souls from within itself and projects them out to have lifetimes and other level experiences. When the Spirit level of self creates these Soul selves, it gives them a measure of freewill and a sense of self awareness and individuality.

However, they are ever intimately connected to the larger self that they were birthed from.

This is actually a microcosmic act of what Source did with itself when it split itself up into the many while also retaining it's original self awareness/identity. Our Spirits/Light Being selves being those original "children" that it split itself up into.

Well, no surprise perhaps that the children would do something similar.

Anyways, direct, literal reincarnation of a Soul that has already lived a human lifetime, certain can and does happen. It seems to be rare simply for the reason that human lives tend to be very difficult, and who knows that better than a Soul who has already directly been through it? Hence, if a Soul is like, "nah dude, I'm good with that for like the next 10, 000 years", the Spirit level of self is like, "sure, no problem, I will just create a new Soul self with some of you (your memories, energies, patterns, etc) in it to live a new lifetime to address karma, learn lessons, grow to love, etc".

A Spirit self can, and often does, have multiple selves going on in a relatively same time/space cycle. A rather intuitive friend of mine had a dream of seeing me as being connected to a die with 5 on it.

I've become aware of, and met two other Soul selves that are also part of the same Spirit that I am. I suspect that I met another, but I'm not as sure.

I'm not sure if the "5" includes or doesn't include me.

My partner has had dreams about some of the Soul selves that are incarnated during this time period as well.

As to karma, some very intense and verified synchronistic experience has shown me that it is very real and still very much exists.

As to Yeshua's life, it was indeed a powerful event, but it wasn't so much about erasing karma--no one can do that, not even the Source iteself can at this point--it's part of the inherent structure of reality. If you pull that integral thread out, you unravel the entire thing.

But Yeshua's life/example, willing death, and resurrection POLARIZED the fear here. It was like a shockwave of pure Light went out, and for a moment, everything was crystal clear and balanced.

Having that materialized pattern in the earth, makes it easier for us to be able to follow suit and walk in his footsteps. Some other teachers had gotten close and relatively close to the level of Love that he attained, but he was the only one of us so far that completely broke through while still connected to a body. (the 2nd coming is about a more collective attainment of this).

In a symbolic sense, it was like he cut a clear, full path through a very dense jungle forest--a path that stays clear. Having that path, seeing that path, being able to walk in the energetic resonance of that path, makes it easier for us to follow him to that same destination--At One Ment, full Source and pure Love realization. Meanwhile, he is a living guide, in both a physical and nonphysical sense, that is a great resource to tap into. He is like the Guide of guides, the Teachers of teachers. As regards an accessible individuality, no better individual to commune or communicate with if one is serious about their spiritual growth.

But karma still very much exists, and as we treat others, there is a deep part of us that seeks to experience that for ourselves when we go off the path of Love.

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I was thinking about this thread, yesterday, and again just a little while ago.

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