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I'm so cappy
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posted October 30, 2013 08:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy        Reply w/Quote
Yes, I believe in it and yes, at the same time I have a couple of problems with it!

First, I don't like the idea of forgetting everything I will learn (including astrology *screams*) in this lifetime, people dear to me, moments of joy. Even though my life has been ****** for the most part and I don't know if I ever reach happiness I still would like to remember, you know? If I were to return. If...Sometimes I wonder how some people are able to keep their memories, there are such cases.

Why do we always have to undergo this amnesia? It's not just about past incarnations, we also forget who we really are and what it's all about. Living here would be probably much more pleasant and maybe not as pointless as some may think if we had access to that knowledge.

Why did we come here at all?
Let's say it all started with us wanting to experience something new. Ok, why not. But did we know we'd forget everything and get trapped here maybe forever? This is such an extreme environment. It's not difficult to get tired of it. Most of us do at some point. We are exposed to suffering, both physical and emotional. We hurt each other. We're scared and lost. This plane of existence makes us so ignorant. Why do we keep coming back? Don't we get smarter or just smart enough once we log out of this crazy game? Don't we have better options? What if we do but don't realize it? Why ghosts who are usually lost or too scared to move on higher are such a common phenomenon? What if we don't become instantly enlightened by default and need time and help to expand our awarness again? And what if there's someone ready to manipulate us in order sent us back? There are many dimensions. What if higher dimensions can offer us at least as much fun and happiness that is possible to experience here? They might be not perfect but they would be pain and disease free! Besides, we would be free from the fear of death.

Why do we keep comming here? Is it unavoidable? Is it the best option? Is it good for us in the long run? I believe that we have the final word. I believe we always have free will. But our thinking can be limited, clouded and influenced. So what can make us come back?


Option number 1 - addiction & fear
Physical sensations are much more intense here. If you were addicted to alcohol, drugs, sex etc., your cravings might not go away with the moment of the death of your body. Ahh, what would you give to feel that pleasure again. Maybe...you simply became addicted to the excitement this world provides in different forms. Adrenaline, babe! Or maybe you're freaked out of being "dead" or scared of punishment?. In all of these cases you might not resist the tempation to jump into a new body, especially if somehow you discover this possibility.


Option number 2 - I want you back!
I wouldn't be surprised if some souls reincarnated with the intention of reuniting with their loved ones who long for them. You worry about them so much and miss them too. But does this idea even make sense? Hellooo! You'll most likely forget them. You don't care and you and wanna join them anyway? Let's say we can choose the body we will live in. What if there will be no baby born in the family? You'll have to incarnate somewhere else and the chance you'll be in their life decreases. And if it's totally random then you're screwed! Can't you just wait for them??? It would probably feel like a few days for you. Visit them as a spirit, become their spirit guide or even stay close to this plane as a ghost for a while if you need it. Sooner or later you'll be together again and then you can figure out what's next - replay, haunting Walmart, moving on higher or whatever entertains you. Just make sure you actually want it.


Option number 3 - mission impossible
So you think you should go back to Earth or whatever planet (cause I'm pretty sure we're not the only intelligent life in the universe) in order to learn something. That's "what we do", right? This is your mission! (Oh, how terribly it felt to realize that you failed to learn to sing metlas songs backwards, ohhh). To be honest, you'd even prefer to stay where you ended up but what can you do, right? Wait...Is this your idea or did someone tell you this? Someone did? Someone's trying to persuade you to return and says nothing about other options? What if this entity is not honest with you? What if it wants you to believe it cause it has agenda and keeping you and others here is part of it? What if some of the more aware entities gain something from our presence in this dimension? Why are we given "missions" and then have to totally forget it? If you happen to "fail" you'll feel like a loser and try again, won't you? And maybe again and again...trololololoooo!


Option number 4 - karma is a biatch

You strongly believed in reincarnation and its unevitability. You have some karma to clear after all, don't you? Gotta look for babymakers! Hehe. If you don't start to question things at least your higher brain then I'm afraid this is gonna be a long ride for you.


Option number 5 - I'm gonna wake up the humanity!
Wanna be new Jesus? Hell yeaaaaaa...aaahhh? Ehem, if your serious then you better pray that YOU wake up. Unless you know a cheat that can trick the system.


As you've probably guessed already I don't feel like coming back. Especially not to this planet. If I really really had to incarnate, I'd try my best to end up in a more peaceful and advanced civilization. And if I'm right and it's all up to us and the physical world is not the best option then you can kiss my ass, once I croak I'm moving to a better party Otherwise I'd shoot myself in the foot. What if this is my only chance? Ugh. I think I'd be satisfied with visits if I missed someone. Meanwhile, while I'm still alive this world, I'm going to continue my research and experimentation. I want to be in charge of my existence and I hope the information on the nature of creation I will gain will help me avoid eternal ignorance. Amen.


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posted October 31, 2013 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lei_Kuei        Reply w/Quote

Not sure if this is any help to you, but alot the things you have pondered here turn up in various works of Gnosticism.
http://www.detoxorcist.com/gnosticism.html

And one cannot really look at Gnosticism and ignore the Gospel of Thomas:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/thomas.htm

Although whether or not you choose attach any meaning to such works is entirely up to you.

I like your post, you ask alot of good questions... and so I have a question for you!

Have you been able to recall any of your previous lives, if not then what makes you believe in reincarnation...?

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posted October 31, 2013 02:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx        Reply w/Quote
I have often thought that, it takes a lifetime to start to get Astrology down, and just about that time- phfut!

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I'm so cappy
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posted October 31, 2013 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy        Reply w/Quote
Wow, I can't believe someone read it all

Thank you for the links, Lei. Unfortunately I have no memories or at least I'm not aware of them. As far as I know they can come back as a dream too. Anyway, I believe in reincarnation because that seems the most reasonable version to me I'm not buying judgement, hell, heaven, any place where you have to stay in for eternity. I think it's all up to where and how long we will stay. But first we need to understand what's going on.

Ellyn, you wouldn't even remember how to read. It's so frustrating when you think of it, isn't it??

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posted November 02, 2013 06:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsPrism        Reply w/Quote
Here's a book recommendation that might interest you:

7 Steps To Eternity

Reincarnation wouldn't make sense if we still had our memories readily available in our conscious mind. Our subconscious mind probably still holds onto everything that has previously happened in all incarnations.

It wouldn't work because we'd actively search for those we've known. We would stray from our path and end up just searching for our 'greatest love' or trying to right some wrongs we've done. Some might not do this and they are allowed certain memories.

It's just easier to make us consciously babies again, set in an environment that will actively push us in a direction we haven't gone (North Node). Perhaps we plan out our lives before we incarnate which lends us the intuition to know if we're doing the right or wrong thing.

Whether we have karma or not, we are most definitely here to think the things we think, be the way we are, do the things we do. You having these thoughts was meant to happen, your knowledge of astrology was meant to happen. Every time someone is hurt, it's meant to happen and every time someone is rescued it's meant to happen. Every thing is purposeful and though we are impacted and then made to choose, there are times when things seem to be chosen for us as well.

There is balance in what we know and what we don't, who we are and who we are not, what we believe and what we don't, on and on.

Reincarnation is a cycle within a cycle. Maybe you are me while I am you and we are all that we see, an evolving entity which is simply trying to become God.

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posted November 03, 2013 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall        Reply w/Quote
Astrology is always evolving.

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posted November 04, 2013 12:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall        Reply w/Quote
You could study a lifetime and never learn it all.

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posted November 16, 2013 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall        Reply w/Quote
If reincarnation is true, you could be born in your next lifetime in an age from the linear past where they know litle if anything about Astrology.

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posted November 19, 2013 02:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel        Reply w/Quote
It depends on the day, as to whether or not I want to come back. I have days when I feel just battered, and then I'll think of how lucky I used to feel, to have my family, and how things could turn around. I don't know why optimism peeps through on occasion - it feels like a tease now.

I don't feel equipped to handle the bad sides of life. I handled it to a point, but I'm obviously not strong enough now. I've wanted to check out so many times, and then I wonder how bad the next one might be - I guess that's what keeps me here, along with the fact that things seem to be improving with my parents again - not my sister, but my parents, as long as I have them... I feel like I should be okay.

Sorry if this is disjointed. I asked about past lives on facebook, tonight, not expecting any responses, but I was pleasantly surprised by what I've been told. I'm exhausted now, but I had been wishing that I had friends here to sit and talk about this stuff with - that's why I turned to them online.

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posted November 29, 2013 09:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith        Reply w/Quote
I've wondered if we expect reincarnation to conform to our own ideas about having some kind of continuous, ongoing, permanent perspective throughout time. The same values and focus, lifetime after lifetime.

The reincarnation stories I've heard emphasize themes, ie "I've always loved this person," or "I've always been a healer"...

It seems too limiting for me. Why should it always be the same soul one is forever pursuing, or why should one's actions even fall under the umbrella term of healer, when love and medicine both have been evolving so that their meanings in one time and culture might be very different from what they mean in another? I mean, doesn't the essence of love change very much, if one is in a matriarchal society where women are in control and might receive worshipful attention, as opposed to a misogynist culture? I assume it means something different each time.

Like cappy said, why is the mental slate wiped clean (so you have to re-learn the same topics again and again)...while the spiritual/emotional slate is like a prison you are born into lifetime after lifetime...until you...what? Find the key?

If the purpose is to accumulate awareness, like picking up points in a video game, where you are striving to get the maximum number of points possible to get you to nirvana, well that is just confusing to me.

Seems the only way to do so is by meditation. But really? The point of being born into this busy, busy world is to learn through thousands of years of trial and error, heartache, and endless struggle...the point is to learn how to sit down and let the universe change you?

Why didn't the billions of people alive on this planet today figure out that one penultimate purpose way back, countless lives ago, when the natural world was so vast and beautiful that the meaning of life was probably more obvious? When our diets were pure, more oxygen was in the air, and basically the whole stage was set for it being an optimal time to cultivate these necessary higher powers one needs to graduate from the cycle of rebirth?

That's what I don't get. Why we all missed that boat every single time.

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posted December 13, 2013 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Faith:
Like cappy said, why is the mental slate wiped clean (so you have to re-learn the same topics again and again)...

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I have days when I feel just battered

I'd say that's why. Dante drank first from the Lethe, then from the Eunoe.

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posted December 14, 2013 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall        Reply w/Quote

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posted December 16, 2013 10:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by shura:
I'd say that's why. Dante drank first from the Lethe, then from the Eunoe.


Come again? I was a literature major who was never assigned Dante.

Can you explain more, or explain from a different angle please?

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posted January 18, 2014 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall        Reply w/Quote
I'm lost by the reference.

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I'll tell you what I think now, my opinions change with time, as I've noticed.

I think manifestation in the physical plane, on Earth, is the ultimate thing, in the sense that we are all "gods", ultimate, perfect beings, in the subtle planes who want to become "flesh" in their perfect form, how to explain? they, us, want to bring that perfection in a physical form. As above so below. "Extra-sensorial" gifts, called siddhis in Sanskrit also point to that. We're perfecting matter. We are incarnating. Gradually.

But as it happens with matter, as evolution shows us, matter takes time to perfect. You cannot make a material, physical creature all at once. You need to have stones first, the mineral, then they evolve into simple life forms, then into complex beings. It is the beauty, law and story of matter not even gods can mess with.

The whole process, as it is in "it's all about the journey" is the key.

A simplistic, abridged explanation.

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Wow, Cappy, I love that head on your shoulders. You should become a journalist, or a writer.

You raised many questions,some of that I've asked myself, why are we here? To suffer apparently. But through Karma and lessons, you learn to appreciate and become who you are right now. Like a lotus that blossoms in mud. I second Leeloo, it's the journey that matters. As for reincarnations mean forgetting everything in previous lives, it would be a relief, as a matter of speaking. Ever thought of reincarnate as an animal waiting to be butchered, and come back again to tell the tale?

It's an interesting read. You cracked me up with the 'playing Jesus' part lol. If someone has to feel like Jesus in order to cope with the reality of their live, they seriously need to wake up.

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posted May 23, 2014 10:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ayelet        Reply w/Quote
I as well don't want to reincarnate, but i don't feel i have a choice in the matter! I, too, don't like the idea of forgetting. I wish i could understand, right here and right now, what it is all about. And if it's about love, then i wish to live it.

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posted May 25, 2014 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall        Reply w/Quote
Understandable.

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Originally posted by Ayelet:
I as well don't want to reincarnate, but i don't feel i have a choice in the matter! I, too, don't like the idea of forgetting. I wish i could understand, right here and right now, what it is all about. And if it's about love, then i wish to live it.

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You forget so that you don't go mad, or crazy, from all the memories of all your other lifetimes, coming in to bother you, in the present lifetime.

Once you die, whether by normal circumstances, or murder, all your memories from your past lives, and current life, comes back.

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