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Topic: Pope Francis the Christian
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Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 1646
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted November 30, 2013 12:29 PM
  
...Finally. After years of useless figureheads, a Pope who speaks truth to power.
How can it be that it is not a news item when an elderly homeless person dies of exposure, but it is news when the stock market loses two points? This is a case of exclusion. Can we continue to stand by when food is thrown away while people are starving? This is a case of inequality. Today everything comes under the laws of competition and the survival of the fittest, where the powerful feed upon the powerless. As a consequence, masses of people find themselves excluded and marginalized: without work, without possibilities, without any means of escape. Human beings are themselves considered consumer goods to be used and then discarded. We have created a “disposable” culture which is now spreading. It is no longer simply about exploitation and oppression, but something new. Exclusion ultimately has to do with what it means to be a part of the society in which we live; those excluded are no longer society’s underside or its fringes or its disenfranchised – they are no longer even a part of it. The excluded are not the “exploited” but the outcast, the “leftovers”. In this context, some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world. This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system. Meanwhile, the excluded are still waiting. To sustain a lifestyle which excludes others, or to sustain enthusiasm for that selfish ideal, a globalization of indifference has developed. Almost without being aware of it, we end up being incapable of feeling compassion at the outcry of the poor, weeping for other people’s pain, and feeling a need to help them, as though all this were someone else’s responsibility and not our own. The culture of prosperity deadens us; we are thrilled if the market offers us something new to purchase; and in the meantime all those lives stunted for lack of opportunity seem a mere spectacle; they fail to move us. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
Moderator Posts: 54139
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted November 30, 2013 01:02 PM
Nah
This guy is a wolf in sheep's clothing, in my humble opinion.------------------
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pire
Knowflake Posts: 2322
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Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 30, 2013 01:05 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Nah
This guy is a wolf in sheep's clothing, in my humble opinion.
look who's talking! IP: Logged |
pire
Knowflake Posts: 2322
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Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 30, 2013 01:08 PM
pope francis  IP: Logged |
NoRainNoRainbows
Knowflake Posts: 1049
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Registered: Aug 2013
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posted November 30, 2013 01:17 PM
No he's not Ami, as i knew about him long before he became a Pope...he is exactly what he is doing as a Pope and some more tohe is scary to some because he walks the walk and not only talks it, which is jaw dropping for a Pope....scary to some to have a christian leader with real courage spirituality in them though isn't it?  Pope Francis IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 1646
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted November 30, 2013 01:19 PM
Perhaps you would care to communicate your thought process, Ami. Who is he creeping up on?IP: Logged |
pire
Knowflake Posts: 2322
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Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 30, 2013 01:22 PM
talking about "walking the talk", I still have a long walk before me... so I present my apologies to ami for my talk :-)though it is obvious I ain't destined to become a pope anytime soon, in this life or another, and nobody can suggest I am a wolf in a sheep's clothing IP: Logged |
juniperb
Moderator Posts: 8119
From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 30, 2013 02:02 PM
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In this context, some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world. This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system. Meanwhile, the excluded are still waiting. To sustain a lifestyle which excludes others, or to sustain enthusiasm for that selfish ideal, a globalization of indifference has developed. Almost without being aware of it, we end up being incapable of feeling compassion at the outcry of the poor, weeping for other people’s pain, and feeling a need to help them, as though all this were someone else’s responsibility and not our own. The culture of prosperity deadens us; we are thrilled if the market offers us something new to purchase; and in the meantime all those lives stunted for lack of opportunity seem a mere spectacle; they fail to move us.
Amen! still the gap widens as the powers in charge are driven to be at the top of the food chain ------------------
Christian, Jew, Muslim, Shaman, Zoroastrian, stone, ground, mountain, river, each has a secret way of being with the Mystery, unique and not to be judged.
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Ami Anne
Moderator Posts: 54139
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted November 30, 2013 02:12 PM
Pire
At least you gave me an  . We are making progress!------------------
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Ami Anne
Moderator Posts: 54139
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted November 30, 2013 02:14 PM
Well, not to get into the last days Prophecy, but there is going to be a huge amalgamation of politics and diverse religions but it will be a godless church.That is all for me, lest I get put in the corner when I am trying to be good  ------------------
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pire
Knowflake Posts: 2322
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posted November 30, 2013 02:19 PM
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there is going to be a huge amalgamation of politics and diverse religions but it will be a godless church.
I think I named it here IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 1646
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted November 30, 2013 02:23 PM
Does the Bible say that when a good man becomes Pope and speaks against the idolatry of money the world must end? I don't think so.Neither does the Bible talk about the Rapture, a 19th c invention. IP: Logged |
Node
Knowflake Posts: 2660
From: 2,021 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 30, 2013 02:33 PM
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Excellent reply.As an atheist, even I am heartened by this new pope. He appears to be modern. He allays his belief with the world situation [s] and is adapting without foregoing those beliefs. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
Moderator Posts: 54139
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted November 30, 2013 02:36 PM
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Originally posted by Catalina:
Does the Bible say that when a good man becomes Pope and speaks against the idolatry of money the world must end? I don't think so.Neither does the Bible talk about the Rapture, a 19th c invention.
I better not talk about this anymore here. I know Juni does not want me to.  ------------------
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Lexxigramer
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From: The Etheric Realms...Still out looking for Schrodinger's cat...& LEXIGRAMMING.♥.. is my Passion!
Registered: Feb 2012
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posted November 30, 2013 08:32 PM
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Originally posted by Node:
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Excellent reply.As an atheist, even I am heartened by this new pope. He appears to be modern. He allays his belief with the world situation [s] and is adapting without foregoing those beliefs.
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Lexxigramer
Moderator Posts: 3763
From: The Etheric Realms...Still out looking for Schrodinger's cat...& LEXIGRAMMING.♥.. is my Passion!
Registered: Feb 2012
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posted November 30, 2013 08:48 PM
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Originally posted by Catalina:
Does the Bible say that when a good man becomes Pope and speaks against the idolatry of money the world must end? I don't think so.Neither does the Bible talk about the Rapture, a 19th c invention.
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Lexxigramer
Moderator Posts: 3763
From: The Etheric Realms...Still out looking for Schrodinger's cat...& LEXIGRAMMING.♥.. is my Passion!
Registered: Feb 2012
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posted November 30, 2013 08:49 PM
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Randall
Webmaster Posts: 39648
From: Saturn next to Charmainec
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 01, 2013 03:43 PM
GU was completely the wrong Forum. IP: Logged |
geea
Knowflake Posts: 779
From: hitchhiking through the galaxy
Registered: Jun 2011
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posted December 02, 2013 01:34 PM
”Finally. After years of useless figureheads, a Pope who speaks truth to power.”Not all of them were useless.
I recommend this movie: ”Karol, the man who became a pope” (its on youtube) about the life of Pope John Paul II IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 39648
From: Saturn next to Charmainec
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 03, 2013 03:11 PM
Thanks!IP: Logged |
shura
Knowflake Posts: 936
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Registered: Jun 2009
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posted December 03, 2013 11:13 PM
Obama part deux. ie Good PR machine, not much else. But, hey, if it makes everyone feel good, what else matters?He's a disciplined and clever politician. I'll give him that. IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 39648
From: Saturn next to Charmainec
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 07, 2013 02:14 PM
Agreed.IP: Logged |
shura
Knowflake Posts: 936
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Registered: Jun 2009
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posted December 07, 2013 02:40 PM
His record in Argentina is at once repulsive and impressive. But what are facts when we have pretty words?IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 39648
From: Saturn next to Charmainec
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 08, 2013 02:38 PM
Yep.IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 39648
From: Saturn next to Charmainec
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 01, 2014 12:37 PM
The future remains to be seen.IP: Logged |
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