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Aste*risk
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posted December 25, 2008 08:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aste*risk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Which archetype would have the most problems or fears with intimacy?

As far as I've seen, both put forth a great amount of effort to avoid it.

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I'd say it's not that simple,aspects to moon and venus from sat/uran would give "problems" I know cancer moons that are conj saturn and they find emotional intimacy difficult,aquarian( and gem and libra) moons do not like heavy emotional displays,
capricorn itself is business first attitude,uranus is colder than saturn in my opinion,but only because when it cuts off it really doesn't feel a thing,saturn will at least still feel a sense of responsibility

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posted January 14, 2019 02:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DRVM614K     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
aqua would be most against it. caps fear having and being without. cap is the principle of fear.

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posted January 14, 2019 03:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lalafortunaea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aquarians are good at convincing themselves that they're fine without intimacy.

They secretly crave it, and fear it, but they push those feelings away so far that they don't even know they feel them sometimes.

I dare say even some Aquas do know just how much they crave and wish for intimacy, but they have to keep up the denial to protect themselves.

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posted January 14, 2019 08:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leo-Cancer98     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by afflictedvenus:
I'd say it's not that simple,aspects to moon and venus from sat/uran would give "problems" I know cancer moons that are conj saturn and they find emotional intimacy difficult,aquarian( and gem and libra) moons do not like heavy emotional displays,
capricorn itself is business first attitude,uranus is colder than saturn in my opinion,but only because when it cuts off it really doesn't feel a thing,saturn will at least still feel a sense of responsibility

Out of curiosity, in regards to feelings, behavior and ACTUAL long-term commitment in romantic relationships (ultimately marriage), what would you conclude of this Saturn dominant individual:

1. 1st House Aries Sun in exact trine to Saturn. It trines Uranus by 4 degrees as well.
2. 7th House Libra Moon trine Mars (3") and square Uranus (4").
3. 12th House Pisces Venus square Saturn (3")
4. Unaspected 3rd House Gemini Mars
5. Saturn in exact conjunction with MC.
6. Pisces Rising ruled by Capricorn Neptune & Aries Jupiter = Aries/Capricorn Rising.
7. 1st House Stellium (Sun, Mercury, Jupiter & North Node)

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posted January 14, 2019 11:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ithinkimightbewrong     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i think aqua/uranus is more cabable of love..

aqua can even be infactuatated for a min (even if they'd be gone the next)...they're not scared of it...it's whatever feels right at the moment

cap put a lot of energy into avoiding love/intimacy and probably punish themselves for feeling it....

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i know when it comes to physical intimacy....saturn aspecting your sexual planets will very likely leave you dry/baren/asexual...whereas with uranus it'd be a lot more open and kinky

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posted January 15, 2019 01:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cap and Aqua are both ruled by Saturn(traditionally).

Saturn is averse to excess i.e excess emotions,excess anger etc. So to keep Saturn happy, one must be balanced(Sat is exalted when in Lib).

Both may find intimacy a little awkward if rushed into (Saturn is about taking things slow and letting them unfold in their own time). But i think that what they ultimately reach out for is "sincerity". So its only awkward for them when the gesture seems "insincere"(the act is done in public too often, too "loud" and attention grabbing,indiscriminate, not consistent)

I know a lot of Saturn Moon women who cringe at public proposals or flamboyant tokens/ displays of affection etc.

Aqua tends to get more intimate with the expression of words(like most air signs). So the intimacy is based more on rapport and being each other's sounding boards on what is going on within. Not so much hugs and kisses(barring Taurus/Cancer placements).

Aqua is about establishing friendship first. Then building on from there. So even when they are very hot for you and can't control themselves etc. When all has cooled down & back to a manageable place, they will default to their original intent i.e "building a friendship".

So don't be alarmed when your Aqua seems to be pulling back or cooling off of you. When it was only yesterday that they were all over you etc.

Intimacy for Aqua comes through friendship and rapport building. So when Aqua shares how they were bullied when young and made fun of because perhaps they weren't popular with boys/girls or struggled to be integrated socially etc. This is them being "intimate". They are letting you into their insecurities and past pain

Aquas ime dont like to be probed and have their "psychological makeup" anlaysed(barring Pisces placements). So anytime they offer up information of that sort through their own volition. That is their attempt to "connect".

Cap ime does not do the whole "bear your soul" thing(unless there is Cancer in the mix).So their method of being intimate is through subtleties.

Cap may ask about your family(Cap and Cancer are all about the ties that bind), a friend you were concerned over and try to be your "rock" by being there for you in trying times and taking care of things that you are not in a headspace to be worrying about i.e paying your bills, fixing your leaking tap, sending your cars to repairs etc.(things that are tangible).

But Cap will hardly express their own concerns and fears so candidly. Nor cry for help when in a bind. So you have to have pincers sensitive enough to discern when they are playing stoic externally but really drowning internally (depression is often their recurring enemy)

In physical intimacy(which they appreciate more than Aqua really), you will have to lead the way. But be subtle and mindful of where and when. As Cap is easily embarrassed because of being very shy of these things(unless there is strong fire in the chart) but paradoxically loving them.

To know a Cap is being intimate is when they unexpectedly show their more gooey, romantic side. Thinking in terms of "we", going out in public together and being seen or them getting involved in your family.

Contrary to popular belief, hugs and kisses go a long way to warm them. But again, less is more. Be subtle, be mindful of where and when you give these(better in private than public). And be SINCERE.

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posted January 15, 2019 04:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Madpoe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hands down...I think that was the best possible explanation I've read in a long time Aries 23. I'm an Aquarius with Cap Venus.

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posted January 16, 2019 01:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for girlwiththerainysoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
capricorn finds it harder to express emotions and open up...most of them never do that with a loved one

aquarius can't seem to be able to find the person they have this big desire to confide in ...they're always looking for the one

as for intimacy, they're both capable of it, but capricorn craves more physical and aquarius intellectual intimacy

neither of them are too big on physical intimacy and they can both be known for not having a certain type they find themselves attracted to (as opposed to taurus, virgo, leo or cancer for instance who are more picky about lovers)

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posted January 16, 2019 01:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for girlwiththerainysoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
Aquarians are good at convincing themselves that they're fine without intimacy.

They secretly crave it, and fear it, but they push those feelings away so far that they don't even know they feel them sometimes.

I dare say even some Aquas do know just how much they crave and wish for intimacy, but they have to keep up the denial to protect themselves.


this is so true

I have a dominant Aquarius Saturn and there is also Uranus in Capricorn making aspects to my Sun, Mercury, Mars and the North Node...I'm very Uranian and I highly resonate with this statement

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posted January 16, 2019 01:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Madpoe:
Hands down...I think that was the best possible explanation I've read in a long time Aries 23. I'm an Aquarius with Cap Venus.

Thank you. Am around a few of them. Mom is Cap Venus,Dad is Aqua Sun/Cap Moon,Aqua Venus,Cap Mars. And best friend is Aqua Sun/Venus and Cap rising.

I myself have Saturn/Venus conjunct. So yeah...


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posted January 17, 2019 12:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
Aquarians are good at convincing themselves that they're fine without intimacy.

They secretly crave it, and fear it, but they push those feelings away so far that they don't even know they feel them sometimes.

I dare say even some Aquas do know just how much they crave and wish for intimacy, but they have to keep up the denial to protect themselves.



Having Uranus opposite Sun and ASC (in Cancer with a Piscean Moon) I can say that I am pretty detached.. The detachment is real.
I just had internet relationships because all I need is mental and emotional connection, one which is not physical and has a lot of space.

The need for freedom, the suffocation and boredom when someone gets too close is real. I need space to "breath".

Fear of intimacy while craving it is different. I would say Aqua is the sign that needs no physical intimacy.
Gemini would be the 2nd one I guess.

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posted January 17, 2019 12:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Aries23

One more time I agree with you.

I belive Cap needs physical intimacy as an earth sign even though they need their time as you said.
Aquas would prefer to not have physical intimacy at all if possible. If a sign has to be asexual that would be Aqua for sure. Aqua needs mental intimacy and physical distance.

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posted January 17, 2019 09:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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[b]@Aries23

One more time I agree with you.

I belive Cap needs physical intimacy as an earth sign even though they need their time as you said.
Aquas would prefer to not have physical intimacy at all if possible. If a sign has to be asexual that would be Aqua for sure. Aqua needs mental intimacy and physical distance.[/B]


True. Even with added Venus in Pisces.

Speaking to one right now with the square to Pluto and Venus/Saturn square and Venus/Mars square.

He is very noncommittal. Lives in his head. But very much romantic.

He also tends to prefer distance a lot. Just moved to another place last year. And as a result of that move,he is now being very vocal about his feelings for me.

I am sceptical. But I let him speak.

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posted January 17, 2019 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Electro DGX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm an Aqua that has been talking to a Capricorn. Lately we haven't been talking much.

I personally felt like the one that built up strong feelings for them and got attached when they didn't want to. I have complicated circumstances with my father and they used that as an excuse for not wanting to go into a relationship and not develop feelings. I almost felt rejected in the sense that after we had first started talking, it seemed like I wasn't a priority to them. After a while it was me who was taking the initiative to ask them to hang out, to start a conversation, to do something with them. I tried holding off from talking to them to see if they would do anything, only to find that they didn't try to hit me up, never tried asking me out after the first week or so of seeing each other. A while after I contacted them mentioning how we haven't hung out in a while, and they in turn said, "Yeah you've been busy lately," even though I had told them nothing about my situation or why I haven't asked.

If anything I was the one that wanted the intimacy, and in turn I felt as if I was expendable to them. As if it wouldn't change anything if I was or wasn't friends. Might be my Scorpio dominance talking but it was frustrating and upsetting.

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posted January 17, 2019 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
True. Even with added Venus in Pisces.

Speaking to one right now with the square to Pluto and Venus/Saturn square and Venus/Mars square.

He is very noncommittal. Lives in his head. But very much romantic.

He also tends to prefer distance a lot. Just moved to another place last year. And as a result of that move,he is now being very vocal about his feelings for me.

I am sceptical. But I let him speak.


Hahah this sounds so familiar to me.
I can see how he feels more comfortable to express his feelings now that he is far.

It's weird how Uranus acts.
I have Cancer Sun, ASC, Mercury and Pisces Moon plus Pluto square Venus and Mars and yet Uranus opposite Sun and ASC is enough to make me Uranian.
I don't think Uranus is romantic. His Venus in Pisces might make him like that.

I always feel like Uranus and Neptune are very similar when it comes to romance.
Both want distance.. Uranus for the freedom, Neptune for keeping the idealistic image of someone for as long as possible plus Neptune is in love with the longing.
They both live in their head.
They both are asexual one seeking mental connection while the other an emotional one.


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posted January 17, 2019 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
I'm an Aqua that has been talking to a Capricorn. Lately we haven't been talking much.

I personally felt like the one that built up strong feelings for them and got attached when they didn't want to. I have complicated circumstances with my father and they used that as an excuse for not wanting to go into a relationship and not develop feelings. I almost felt rejected in the sense that after we had first started talking, it seemed like I wasn't a priority to them. After a while it was me who was taking the initiative to ask them to hang out, to start a conversation, to do something with them. I tried holding off from talking to them to see if they would do anything, only to find that they didn't try to hit me up, never tried asking me out after the first week or so of seeing each other. A while after I contacted them mentioning how we haven't hung out in a while, and they in turn said, "Yeah you've been busy lately," even though I had told them nothing about my situation or why I haven't asked.

If anything I was the one that wanted the intimacy, and in turn I felt as if I was expendable to them. As if it wouldn't change anything if I was or wasn't friends. Might be my Scorpio dominance talking but it was frustrating and upsetting.


Aquas get depended on independent people.

How long have you known each other?

Why did you fall for someone you didn't know yet at all? There is a chance that he/she doesn't like you or wants to be friends with you.

However you sound Aquarian and not Scorpio like.

You remind me so much of a person with Moon, Venus and Mars in Aqua.

You seem excited, excitement fades easily, the real attraction and bonding do not need to be rushed. When someone acts like this it personally makes me distrust them.
Don't get me wrong it's ok to get excited and want to be friends with someone. However most people confuse excitement with feelings. Feelings last, excitement fades.
So for a Cap/Saturnian there is no need to rush and sticking around is what counts. They are shy and they need to take their time.

That thing with your father (I don't know what it is and how serious it is) but although it may sounded like an excuse for you, it might be smth serious for him/her.

Caps will think of practical things too, they don't show excitement.

I may undertood smth wrong though


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posted January 17, 2019 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Electro DGX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
Aquas get depended on independent people.

How long have you known each other?

Why did you fall for someone you didn't know yet at all? There is a chance that he/she doesn't like you or wants to be friends with you.

However you sound Aquarian and not Scorpio like.

You remind me so much of a person with Moon, Venus and Mars in Aqua.

You seem excited, excitement fades easily, the real attraction and bonding do not need to be rushed. When someone acts like this it personally makes me distrust them.
Don't get me wrong it's ok to get excited and want to be friends with someone. However most people confuse excitement with feelings. Feelings last, excitement fades.
So for a Cap/Saturnian there is no need to rush and sticking around is what counts. They are shy and they need to take their time.

That thing with your father (I don't know what it is and how serious it is) but although it may sounded like an excuse for you, it might be smth serious for him/her.

Caps will think of practical things too, they don't show excitement.

I may undertood smth wrong though


We've known each other for four months. They have never met my father before, I've only talked to them about issues that I have dealing with my father and issues regarding sexuality.

We agreed with a friends with benefits situation, which I understood considering the situation that I have with my father. However, it started to get to where I was always the one asking to hang out and going through the trouble to actually meet up at said time/place though he would make no effort. He took off on me once while we were hanging out so he could take a friend to go gambling, and talks about gambling and the casino a lot.

I started to develop feelings for him the more we hung out; we had a lot of chemistry, shared a lot of the same interests, were willing to talk things out, etc. It wasn't just some superficial bout of exciment. I still do have feelings for him and am willing to see where things go. The only thing that I've noticed is that he doesn't have much emotional investment in his responses. I've talked with him about how I feel disconnected from my family and about how my mom just passed away from cancer last year (June 2018). Even when saying, "I don't feel like I have a real family," his reply was, "Well then you need to fix that." Makes it seem like I can snap my fingers and everything will just magically fix itself. Even when talking about how hurt my dad has been after spending 21 years with my mom and pretty much watching her rot away for five years, he has the audacity to say "he needs to get over it,". It hasn't even been a full year.

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posted January 17, 2019 08:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
We've known each other for four months. They have never met my father before, I've only talked to them about issues that I have dealing with my father and issues regarding sexuality.

We agreed with a friends with benefits situation, which I understood considering the situation that I have with my father. However, it started to get to where I was always the one asking to hang out and going through the trouble to actually meet up at said time/place though he would make no effort. He took off on me once while we were hanging out so he could take a friend to go gambling, and talks about gambling and the casino a lot.

I started to develop feelings for him the more we hung out; we had a lot of chemistry, shared a lot of the same interests, were willing to talk things out, etc. It wasn't just some superficial bout of exciment. I still do have feelings for him and am willing to see where things go. The only thing that I've noticed is that he doesn't have much emotional investment in his responses. I've talked with him about how I feel disconnected from my family and about how my mom just passed away from cancer last year (June 2018). Even when saying, "I don't feel like I have a real family," his reply was, "Well then you need to fix that." Makes it seem like I can snap my fingers and everything will just magically fix itself. Even when talking about how hurt my dad has been after spending 21 years with my mom and pretty much watching her rot away for five years, he has the audacity to say "he needs to get over it,". It hasn't even been a full year.


Hmmm I see.

It seems like he doesn't actually care at all. Capricorns are not good at expressing with words their emotions and maybe they don't even know how to handle emotions at all.. that's true but the way he replies to you means:
1. he doesn't care at all because he doesn't have feelings for you
2. He has been through similar or worse situations and he's been through it
3. He is tired of listening others' people problems or he is turned off by you looking " weak" in his eyes. Maybe the way you talk about your problems.
4. Like many people he can't even mentally understand how hard it is what your father and you have been through etc.

However no matter what from the ones above it is, still his replies are too "I don't give a s***".

I think friend with benefits is a bit dangerous, one gets the sex and it's fine (usually the guy) and the other one is bonding eventually (usually the girl). I see this happening very often.

Do you want to talk about how the situation with your father is affecting you when it comes to intimate relationships?

I think he doesn't want you tbh.
But if you want him that much I would advise you to continue hanging out with him even if it's you that would initiate it.
However it would be good if you stopped having sex with him for a while like a month but still hanging out with him.. If he stops hanging out or getting upset for not getting sex then there is no hope. If he continues hanging out with you though then he might like you but be in that Cap mode.

You could open a thread at Interpersonal Astrology and upload the natal charts both yours and his and your synastry aspects.

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posted January 17, 2019 09:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Electro DGX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hmmm I see.

It seems like he doesn't actually care at all. Capricorns are not good at expressing with words their emotions and maybe they don't even know how to handle emotions at all.. that's true but the way he replies to you means:
1. he doesn't care at all because he doesn't have feelings for you
2. He has been through similar or worse situations and he's been through it
3. He is tired of listening others' people problems or he is turned off by you looking " weak" in his eyes. Maybe the way you talk about your problems.
4. Like many people he can't even mentally understand how hard it is what your father and you have been through etc.

However no matter what from the ones above it is, still his replies are too "I don't give a s***".

I think friend with benefits is a bit dangerous, one gets the sex and it's fine (usually the guy) and the other one is bonding eventually (usually the girl). I see this happening very often.

Do you want to talk about how the situation with your father is affecting you when it comes to intimate relationships?

I think he doesn't want you tbh.
But if you want him that much I would advise you to continue hanging out with him even if it's you that would initiate it.
However it would be good if you stopped having sex with him for a while like a month but still hanging out with him.. If he stops hanging out or getting upset for not getting sex then there is no hope. If he continues hanging out with you though then he might like you but be in that Cap mode.

You could open a thread at Interpersonal Astrology and upload the natal charts both yours and his and your synastry aspects.


That's how I feel about it too; I feel like he just doesn't give a **** .

I honestly thought it might be a little different considering his chart. He's got Cap Sun, Venus, and Neptune with all three conjunct each other (Venus-Neptune under a degree), all in his 8th house. He also has a 4th house Leo Moon and a Taurus ASC (Gemini Chiron in First). I kind of expected the Leo Moon to show differently but it's like he keeps his emotions out of everything unless he gets angry (Mars in Scorpio conj. Pluto).

Even when I am being emotional and venting to him, I will ask him if I'm being too overwhelming or if I'm doing something that bothers him. He always constantly tells me that if he has a problem with something then he will tell me because he's blunt like that (8th house Sag Mercury I suppose). Sexually we are very compatible thanks to both of us being Scorpio Mars, but I don't feel like he's emotionally invested in me at all.

As far as the situation with my dad goes; he's not aware of me being a homosexual male. He puts full faith in the bible and believes that the bible is how things should be, and expects me to live by that same standard when that's not how I feel about it at all. He constantly makes crude, offensive jokes including saying that if "he were to shoot some place up I would shoot up a fag-bar". If this Cap Guy was to meet my dad it would just spring out into a massive argument between them because of their views on things, and I don't want to be in the middle of that. My dad is just emotionally immature, believes he's right all the time and has a smart-ass comment for absolutely everyone and everything he comes across.

I haven't hung out with him in over an entire month at least and the Cap guy has said nothing of it. When I told him we haven't hung out in a while he just said, "Yeah you've been busy lately," even though he's never asked me to hang out and I just haven't been talking as much. I'll see where things go with time but as far as I'm concerned I doubt that things will change.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

I always feel like Uranus and Neptune are very similar when it comes to romance.
Both want distance.. Uranus for the freedom, Neptune for keeping the idealistic image of someone for as long as possible plus Neptune is in love with the longing.
They both live in their head.
They both are asexual one seeking mental connection while the other an emotional one.


You are so right. Yes....

Uranus in 8th in my case and ruler of the 5th(Sun) conjuncts Neptune.

The more emotional and mental connection there is, the more aroused I am with regards to sex.

I even liken myself as a sapiosexual and demisexual. These labels though

I like air Mars/Venus and Sun positiojs because I think they "get" me. Ofcourse there is sexual activity. But its so mental and emotional all at once.

Oh yes, The Aqua is just continuing to pour his heart out. There is so much he has said and continues to say. My goodness!!!

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
I'm an Aqua that has been talking to a Capricorn. Lately we haven't been talking much.

I personally felt like the one that built up strong feelings for them and got attached when they didn't want to. I have complicated circumstances with my father and they used that as an excuse for not wanting to go into a relationship and not develop feelings. I almost felt rejected in the sense that after we had first started talking, it seemed like I wasn't a priority to them. After a while it was me who was taking the initiative to ask them to hang out, to start a conversation, to do something with them. I tried holding off from talking to them to see if they would do anything, only to find that they didn't try to hit me up, never tried asking me out after the first week or so of seeing each other. A while after I contacted them mentioning how we haven't hung out in a while, and they in turn said, "Yeah you've been busy lately," even though I had told them nothing about my situation or why I haven't asked.

If anything I was the one that wanted the intimacy, and in turn I felt as if I was expendable to them. As if it wouldn't change anything if I was or wasn't friends. Might be my Scorpio dominance talking but it was frustrating and upsetting.


Don't don't don't ever depend on a Cap Moon, Cap Asc or Cap Sun for deep emotional support. You may find their approach very "business-like" . Unless there is Pisces,Cancer placements involved in the mix.

But even with those more "softer" placements. There are limits. So dont expect there to be a constant openness to hear "woes me" stories.

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@Electro DGX

Wow. I just glazed the surface. But you are going through so much more...

Can I just say 2 things?

1.You will have to find a way to insulate your Dad or any other negative comments from family members from yourself. This is for your sanity.

I would strongly recommend therapy. So that you can build inner strength and resilience from all the external negativity.

If you can't afford therapy. I would suggest reading material that covers the subject matter of sexual orientation etc. But with a positive bent.

2. I dont think you will benefit from romance right now. Just friendship. As you are in a very vulnerable position right now, there is a tendency to look for a connection with someone and overemphasize "rapport" even when its not reciprocated or not there.

This Cap guy you speak of sounds quite self involved and too immature to support you in an authentically helpful way.

I also think that he may unknowingly be confirming abandonment issues that you have with your Dad. So as you reach out for.more attention and more connection. He denies you.

You can diversify your friendship circle so that you don't lean on one person. Because i think you are expecting "undying,unwavering" support from one person. And he just does not have the resources. Regardless of how much you "like" him.

Your story sounds so familiar to me. And the thing is that it looks bleak only because of where we are contextually. Its not fixed.

Avoid romances for now. They spring dependency issues each and every time

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posted January 18, 2019 11:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
That's how I feel about it too; I feel like he just doesn't give a **** .

I honestly thought it might be a little different considering his chart. He's got Cap Sun, Venus, and Neptune with all three conjunct each other (Venus-Neptune under a degree), all in his 8th house. He also has a 4th house Leo Moon and a Taurus ASC (Gemini Chiron in First). I kind of expected the Leo Moon to show differently but it's like he keeps his emotions out of everything unless he gets angry (Mars in Scorpio conj. Pluto).

Even when I am being emotional and venting to him, I will ask him if I'm being too overwhelming or if I'm doing something that bothers him. He always constantly tells me that if he has a problem with something then he will tell me because he's blunt like that (8th house Sag Mercury I suppose). Sexually we are very compatible thanks to both of us being Scorpio Mars, but I don't feel like he's emotionally invested in me at all.

As far as the situation with my dad goes; he's not aware of me being a homosexual male. He puts full faith in the bible and believes that the bible is how things should be, and expects me to live by that same standard when that's not how I feel about it at all. He constantly makes crude, offensive jokes including saying that if "he were to shoot some place up I would shoot up a fag-bar". If this Cap Guy was to meet my dad it would just spring out into a massive argument between them because of their views on things, and I don't want to be in the middle of that. My dad is just emotionally immature, believes he's right all the time and has a smart-ass comment for absolutely everyone and everything he comes across.


ELECTRO DGX

Don't think of things all together.

Now it's a difficult time for both of you (you and your father).

I'm blunt too and I get a ****** off at how easily offended people are being nowadays and how they pretend to be innocent/good hearted whenever it's easy.. (mostly in theory).

You dad has the right to dislike whatever he dislikes being it homosexuals, blonds, fat, short, white, smart, poor, ugly or whatever else people and/or things. We all have likes and dislikes, we all feel like something is wrong or right and we (hopefully) have a reason for it. You have to respect his opinions even if you don't agree at all with them.

Same goes for him.. he has to calmly respect and accept your opinions, feelings and choices.
He seems like a hypocrite to me, someone who is obsessed living according to the bible who teaches to be kind, respectful, understanding and compassionate to others yet he fantasizes about shooting up a fag-bar.. Next time ask him if his bible teaches that too.

I think the Cap guy wasn't using the situation with your father as an excuse after all.
I can see why he wouldn't like to be involved, although if he really had feelings for you it shouldn't stop him from being with you.. However if you told him too soon (for him) about this situation it makes sense why he chose to not get involved emotionally.

I'm very familiar with his chart. One of the guys I liked had Leo Moon, Sag Mercury, Cap Venus conjucting Neptune, Scorpio Mars.
Is his Moon in square with his Mars?
This makes people very self centered. It gives an Aries Moon vibe.
According to your description he also has 8th H in Cap or late Sag. In any of them it would make sense but if it's in Cap he needs a lot of time to bond. I have Saturn in 8th H in Aqua. I need TOO much time, so much that I don't belueve anyone can give it to me.

The one I mentioned started wanting to meet him after 2 months or so. He was the coldest one I knew but in a bad wau I didn't like. That's why I never fell for him. It's different when someone is sensitive and emotional inside but needs time to express it, or doesn't know how to express it but I sense it and they somehow end up expressing it even if it's just in their eyes, and it's completely different case when someone is truly insensitive.

What is you chart like?
Don't judge how someone will be with you based on his natal chart. Judge it based on your synastry and his natal chart. We are not treating everyone the same, some people we find adorable and we're naturally nice to them and others may drive us crazy in a negative way just by the way they breath.

Let's suppose that you were heterosexual. You wouldn't have the need to tell anything about your intimate life to your father in the first place. I think you're afraid that he will find out at some point and you may be unprepared emotionally for the extreme way he will for sure react and what he will do. You probably want to tell him to feel free and get rid of that constant fear mode you're in.

You don't want to be in the middle of an argument between your father and the Cap guy. So Why would the Cap guy want to be involved with your father for your sake when you are not ready to put up with him even for the Cap guy that you have feelings for?
If somehow the Cap guy has understood the way you feel about this then he would think that you don't like him as much as you say in the end.
Don't get me wrong I understand how you don't want to deal with that but I'm trying to make you see it from a valid different point of view. If I was the Cap guy I would think that you are kind of ashamed about me or not sure or that you didn't want me enough since you wouldn't be able to face that kindnof hardship for me.

I think at this point though because of the situation it's better to not say anything to your father if. you don't feel ready to.
You are not actually obligated to talk to him about your intinmate preferences and relationships. It's something personal.

If it's possible for you to be independant, live by your own and be in a typical cold relationship with your father it would be the best. Then when and if you feel the need to tell him about your romantic life you can do it whenever you are ready.

You must be depressed thinking that nothing goes right in your life. I don't know your relationship with your mother but I had a very close and great one with my father. Funny thing is my mom is a bit like your father and we are not getting along most of the time but still I care for her too much just because she is my mother. She was always holding me back and after my father's death I allow it. Thinking more about it when my father died I was also hurt because of how things got with the guy I liked and we stopped contacting each other like we did.

I got over all of these and a lot more actually. So you can do it too. Take extra care of yourself. Don't do stupid things that will cost you a lot later. Later your life may get beautiful enough that you will regret doing to yourself what you did in the past but you won't be able to turn back time.
Don't harm yourself in anyway for no one including yourelf. We have just one chance to live. Since we will anyway die at some point we should prolong it as much as possible even if it is to live the most miserable life. Because we live once or that's what we know for sure at least. So the best we can do is take full advantage of that chance.

Just how do I end up out of topic all the time 😁😁😁

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posted January 18, 2019 11:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
You are so right. Yes....

Uranus in 8th in my case and ruler of the 5th(Sun) conjuncts Neptune.

The more emotional and mental connection there is, the more aroused I am with regards to sex.

I even liken myself as a sapiosexual and demisexual. These labels though

I like air Mars/Venus and Sun positiojs because I think they "get" me. Ofcourse there is sexual activity. But its so mental and emotional all at once.

Oh yes, The Aqua is just continuing to pour his heart out. There is so much he has said and continues to say. My goodness!!!


Hahaha the labels 😁
They soynd kind of silly but it's way easier to say "I'm sapiosexual/demiseaxual/asexual" than explain 10 minutes str8 how your sexuality works.

I'm surprised that you are like that.
Although it makes sence since Uranus rules your 8th H (just like mine). plus your 5th H so both sex houses. Which means you probably have Capricorn DSC. Ruled by Saturn. I see many similarities..

I think I'm demisexual (need bonding mental and emotional plus spiritual) but I need too much time so I will never find out since I don't have the urge to act on my sexual desires. So asexual seems more accurate in the end lol.

You have Cancer Moon, Cap Mercury, Venus square Saturn. Where is your Venus and Mars that you like air Venus and Mars?

Enjoy the Aqua confession as much as it lasts. And when there is a distance it is long lasting 😉

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