posted December 26, 2008 12:38 PM            

it trines a few outter planets, n sextiles my pluto.

posted December 26, 2008 05:45 PM            

from Ruth Brummond's Rulebook

SU.ME.*
+ highly aware. able to reason. intelligent. gifted with language. entertaining. youthful. agile or mobile. nimble. busy. has business acumen. mercantile.
Thoughts of a man. Discussion of the husband. Conversation with a man. Young man. Youth. Body in motion. Consciousness. The head. The nerves. Businessman. Years of business.
- unsettled. restless. nervous.
Restless day.

I will also give you an interpretation of Mars conjunct Sun/Mercury midpoint
SU.ME.MA.
+ reacts quickly. fast-paced. eager. active. energetic. resolute. industrious. busy. enterprising. handy. critical. enjoys discussions. athletic. assertive. capable as a writer or author. Speaker.
Activities of a young man. Discussion of men's work. Ideas about worktime. Professional discussion with another. To put the ideas of a man into action. To act rapidly. Discussion of active people. To put a body in motion. To articulate. To write. To be roused. Youth work.
- hypercritical. self-willed. unyielding. brusque. power-hungry. out of control. argumentative. touchy; short-tempered. angry. inconsiderate. aggressive.
Violent discussion between men.

check out your midpoint-midpoint conjunctions,oppositions within 1/2 degree
those can be important. Uranian Astrologers call them "planetary pictures", Magi Astrologers call them "magi quads", and David Cochrane(creator of Kepler Astrology software)calls them Isosceles trapezoids. That's because there are in a 4 planetary harmonic configuration with 2 sides parallel and the other 2 sides the same length. Not all harmonic configurations are easily seen in the chart though...especially if they are nor major aspect harmonics. They can actually be very important in a chart,and can indicate strong theme in the chart.

I have Sun/Mercury midpoint conjunct Jupiter/Uranus midpoint with 3 minutes of arc.

posted December 26, 2008 05:51 PM            

SU.ME*- so everyone has this description? because everyone has a sun mercury mid point? (confused)

im still very newbie at this stuff, is the description you wrote down in particular for conjuncting mars with the midpoint between sun and merc?

posted December 26, 2008 05:58 PM            

Sun/Mercury midpoint but also can be used for Sun conjunct Mercury
as well as Sun-Mercury aspects that involve synastry,transit,composite,davison

also keep mind that these are just possibilities that fit with the planetary symbolisms. all astrological cookbook interpretations are used as guidelines,and so they are not meant to be taken as gospel.
That's with any cookbook interpretations that you see in a book or anywhere else.

also

I edited my post

I added the midpoint interpretations for Mars conjunct Sun/Mercury midpoint

posted December 27, 2008 01:58 PM            

what only some ppl have is contacts with the MP, as the orb is very small - most of the times under 1 dgr.

I could be wrong, but your Mars is NOT at the Sun/Mercury point; use a program to calculate them. astrowin is free at www.astrowin.org

the planet at the midpoint describes and unites the two energies; at the Sun/Merc would say how you think about yourself, how you verbalize yourself.

I'm trying to make it easy as I figured you're new at this. Mercury' key words would be "mindset', 'thinking', 'communicating'. The Sun is yourself, your ego, your aspirations in life, your core. A midpoint basicaly brings the two together.

The Sun is also vitality, health, body, and also the father or the man/husband. You can add any keyword you can think of and mix them togethr.

posted December 27, 2008 02:02 PM            

quote:

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SU.ME.*
+ highly aware. able to reason. intelligent. gifted with language. entertaining. youthful. agile or mobile. nimble. busy. has business acumen. mercantile.

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eveybody has the midpoint, but not everybody is 'highly aware' and everything else here. This sounds like a Sun conj Mercury interpretation.

this, however, sounds RIGHT ON for the Midpoint Sun/Mercury:

quote:

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Thoughts of a man. Discussion of the husband. Conversation with a man. Youth. Body in motion. Consciousness. The head. The nerves.

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posted December 27, 2008 02:18 PM            

not like the typical conjunctions up to 10 degrees?

posted December 27, 2008 06:19 PM            

Yes...I agree

That's why I had typed the following:

"Sun/Mercury midpoint but also can be used for Sun conjunct Mercury
as well as Sun-Mercury aspects that involve synastry,transit,composite,davison"

"also keep mind that these are just possibilities that fit with the planetary symbolisms. all astrological cookbook interpretations are used as guidelines,and so they are not meant to be taken as gospel.
That's with any cookbook interpretations that you see in a book or anywhere else."

also......semisquares(45 degrees),sesquiquadrates(135 degrees) are used with midpoints too.

cosmobiologists and Uranian Astrologers look at midpoints using a 90 degree dial.
conjunctions,oppositions,squares appear as conjunctions in the 90 degree dial. semisquares,sesquiquadrates appear as oppositions in the 90 degree dial.

posted December 27, 2008 06:26 PM            

It's a geometrical concept

the sum of the 2 points divided by 2 equals the midpoint

5'00 Aries
10'00 degrees Aries

midpoint is 7'30 degrees Aries

if there is anything conjunct,opposition within 1 1/2 degrees or square,semisquare,sesquiquadrate within 1 degree, then there is a midpoint picture

posted December 27, 2008 11:49 PM              

Since this is highly "mathematical", abstract and theoretical, I'd recommend to only take conjunctions and oppositions into account - only if a Midpoint directly hits or opposes one of the planets. All the other aspects (squares, trines, etc.) seem to be way too far fetched, in my opinion. Midpoints ARE just hypothetical points - one should not misuse them and overdo it by studying all the possible aspects they could make (theoretically) to other points in a chart.;-)

Here's a tool for calculating your Midpoints: http://www.noendpress.com/pvachier/midpoints/index.php

Here's a base for Midpoint-interptretations (if they are conjunct or opposite one of the planets in your chart): http://www.cafeastrology.com/astrologytopics/midpointpictures.html

Here's another one: http://destiny.xfiles.to/

My own natal Sun/Mercury-Midpoint happens to be conjunct my natal Mars.;-) These are the interpretations I found for this:

MARS TO MIDPOINT SUN/MERCURY
Agitated and critical thinking; excitement; nervous drive; energies to
tackle a project - argument or quarrel.

SO/ME=MA A young boy. A young man. To work fast. The tempo of work. Violent thinking. Anger an excitement.

posted December 28, 2008 12:14 AM            

aspects other than conjunction and opposition to midpoints are also relevant.

Cosmobiologists,Uranian Astrology use the conjunction,opposition,square,semisquare,and sesquiquadrate

They use a 90 degree dial to easily see the midpoints

also midpoint pictures(referring to point aspecting a midpoint) occur because there is a harmonic aspect triangle,it may not necessarily be seen if the aspects don't consist of the 12th harmonic series of aspects(conjunction,opposition,trine,square
sextile,semisextile,quincunx)

Midpoints and Harmonics are strongly connected. All midpoint pictures are harmonic triangles. It's just that harmonics that aren't of the 12th harmonic series are not easily seen in a chart.

Therefore midpoints aren't really hypothetical. They are abstract like the ascendant,midheaven,nodes,houses,vertex

midpoint-midpoint conjunction,opposition are actually are actually isosceles trapezoids. Those are harmonic aspect quadrilaterals. Only harmonic harmonic aspect quadrilaterals of the 12th harmonic series of aspects are seen in the chart.

Midpoints are a Geometrical concept.

for an example of a harmonic triangle with relevant midpoint pictures that involve other than the conjunction,opposition

Sun in 5'00 Taurus
Pluto in 5'00 Virgo
Mars in 5'00 Cancer

A minor grand trine of Mars sextile Sun-Pluto trine which is a 6th harmonic triangle

with 3 corresponding midpoint pictures of:

Mars conjunct Sun/Pluto
Pluto square Sun/Mars
Sun semisquare Mars/Pluto

Raymond

posted December 28, 2008 05:22 AM            

one thing i don't understand though, is the midpoint calculator said my midpoint between sun and mercury is 9.

my mars is 10, allmost 11. why doesnt my mars conjunct it?

does it have to be dead on 9th degree?

how many degrees does a planet have to be within a midpoint to count as a conjunction?

like my venus and mercury are conjunct, and are separated by 10 degrees??

that description sounded fairly so like me.

p.s. what does this mean? : "SO/ME=MA"

i checked out for descriptions of the vens mars midpoint (where i THINK my mercury is conjuncting it?) and i found this description very accurate, so if some one says my mercury don't conjunct it, i would be surprised!

- from cafe -

"here, Mercury-Venus-Mars means: "You have excellent aptitude for understanding the arts, and you are talented in artistic areas as well. You enjoy making things that are beautiful, and you succeed in areas that require an aesthetic sense as well as technical ability. You also have some talent for psychology, and you could be good as a marriage counselor, for example."

posted December 28, 2008 09:46 AM              

One easy formula on the "tightness" of conjunctions: As far as the quick moving personal planets go (especially Moon, but also Sun, Mercury, Venus and Mars) I accept a wider range for conjunctions, up to 5dgs distance. Where the slow movin outer planets and Chiron go, especially Pluto, Uranus, Neptune, I'll keep the orbs a bit smaller, maximum 3dgs.

posted December 28, 2008 09:53 AM              

quote:

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p.s. what does this mean? : "SO/ME=MA"

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This means: Sun/Mercury-Midpoint sits on Mars. (via conjunction or opposition)

Another example:

posted December 28, 2008 09:58 AM            

with your opinion alvarella, would you just confirm if i have this right:

my mercury is conjunction my mars and venus midpoint?:

my mercury = 22 degree,

the midpoint of my mars and venus is : 21 degree virgo : )

also,

the midpoint of my venus and uranus is:

scorpio 16 degrees in, my pluto is 12 degrees in scorpio, so since pluto is a slow moving planet, would you definitely consider it a conjunction?

i have one question about midpoints:

using my mars as an example of conjunction my sun/mercury midpoint, how relevant is the aspects to that mars when interpreting the conjunction of that mid point? im wondering because as you can see, my mars trines/sextiles quite a few planets!

posted December 28, 2008 10:06 AM            

1 degree maximum.

quote:

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Mars = Sun/Mercury

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posted December 28, 2008 10:07 AM            

the mid point of my leo asc and leo sun is 19th degree.

if a partners mars is in my first house, and is conjunction my midpoint of leo asc/leo sun, is that any thing significant? the persons mars is 20th degree leo.