posted December 26, 2008 05:43 AM         

Chiron is a great place to start thinking of a connection. Maybe Mercury could be involved. Aries ruling the head could play a part too. Look at houses that are connected to socializing as the aspergers plays out its disability there.

posted December 26, 2008 02:01 PM         

He has Chiron in the 11th in Gemini and I thought this made a lot of sense because I read him his Chiron description once because he told me he used to stutter really bad and be really nervous around people when he was younger. His Mercury is in his 3rd in Libra and is conjunct his Moon, opposes his Jupiter, and trines his Chiron.

posted December 26, 2008 02:06 PM         

I am definitely very passionate about neurodivergence and believe in the rights of my fellow neurodivergents as well I support the neurodiversity movement.

Thanks for this thread. I wish that there were more threads like this. It would be great to look at the charts of other neurodivergents, help with the research of the Astrology of Neurodivergence.

I believe that Chiron does fit with special needs which often require special attention. Many children with special needs often grow up to be compassionate adults that care about children and others with special needs. That's exactly how I am in regards to special education needs. Chiron can be about having painful experiences that lead you to be compassionate person that care about others that have similar painful experiences.

Chiron is located between Saturn and Uranus.......so bridges the physical and metaphysical. It's considered holistic.....mind,body,spirit connection.
Saturn/Uranus midpoint is said to be Chiron-sensitive. That means that aspects to Saturn/Uranus midpoint is like aspects to Chiron.

think of the myth, Chiron
He was rejected by his parents, Cronos and Philyra because of his appearance as a centaur, but he ended up being a foster parent/mentor of many of the great heroes like Heracles,Jason,Achilles. He taught Asclepius to be a healer,and he was surpassed by that son of Apollo,the god of healing. Asclepius was the God of medicine.
Chiron was accidentally shot by Heracles with one of the poisoned arrows dipped in the Hydra's blood. He couldn't cure himself of the wound. He ended up taking Prometheus' place in the Underworld which led to the end of his pain.

Chariklo was his mate too. Chariklo is also the largest of the centaurs in our solar system. Like Chiron, it orbits between Saturn and Uranus. The difference is that it has an orbit less eccentric than Chiron. Centaurs named after females have less eccentric orbits than Centaurs named after males. The eccentricity of the orbits of the centaur celestial objects is like wild nature,noncomformity of the centaur creatures. That's why Chiron is viewed as a maverick.

BTW...there are over 40 centaurs, and over 10 of them have names already.

It would make sense to think that if Chiron is involved in neurodivergent conditions, then maybe other centaurs are involved in neurodivergent conditions too.

also kuiper belt object Ixion is named after the grandfather of the centaurs. Ixion was known for his lusty nature like his descendants. He actually got punished by Zeus for wanting and trying to get it on with Zeus' wife,Hera. a horny mortal man trying to get it on with the queen of the gods. hahahahaha. That's how lusty Ixion was.

Ixion is a big plutino(3rd largest plutino), and it has 2:3 resonance with Neptune like Pluto. Its orbit is highly eccentric like Pluto's. Their orbits are similar to the orbits of centaurs with their eccentricity. They can be seen as wild,nonconformists.

I have Sun conjunct Ixion with 5 minutes of arc myself.

posted December 26, 2008 04:24 PM           

I have a strong Mercury and Fire mix.

I was diagnosed with Aspergers syndrome but I’ve always been in a position of not believing the diagnoses.

I somewhat believe it, but still don’t believe it even after working in a desk job with characters that act like the TV series the office.

I’m sure if I told them they wouldn’t believe it, but then again half of my coworkers are either engineers/computer science grads or are currently in college taking a related field.

Engineers and computer science grads always have there heads somewhere else anyway, LoL.

For a person who is diagnosed with Aspergers Syndrome chances are they’ll rally believe it or question the diagnoses and claim they aren’t, then might act strange one day and it may show.

Amowls,

Out of curiosity what was he like? As I mentioned earlier its either rally obvious
or the individual will show some signs of it later on when you get to know them more.

posted December 26, 2008 04:43 PM         

I agree big time.

Neptune can be the oversensitivity,misunderstandings,and the vivid imaginations as well as the hard to pin down,confusing nature that many neurodivergents have. Many Aspergers have been misdiagnosed and even medicated. Antipsychotics are even approved in treating autistic spectrum disorders. I don't agree with that one bit. They do have extremely sensitive nervous systems which they would be say is sensory integration issues. Sensory integration issues are very common in neurodivergents.

Therefore, I believe that Neurodivergents have strong Neptune influences.

I also believe that kuiper belt objects are involved. They are objects that orbit beyond Neptune,and so I believe that kuiper belt objects are related to metaphysical energies. I believe that if they are too strong, they can manifest as problems on the physical plane. One of these forms could be neurodivergence which may not be a problem. It depends on the type of neurodivergence as well as how it's perceived.

In the book, THE BIPOLAR CHILD by Dr. Demetri Paplos, Aspergers was listed as one of the conditions that tends to be misdiagnosed as Bipolar.
Oversensitvity to environmental influences was listed as one of the very common traits of bipolar. Therefore,many oversensitive people are diagnosed as having bipolar. Oversensitivity is a neurodivergence trait. Learning disabilities was listed as one of the common traits of bipolar. Therefore,many learning disabled are diagnosed as having bipolar. Learning disabilities are neurodivergence.

Also Aspergers and Dyspraxia have overlapping symptoms and have comorbidity. That is that they are similar in their symptoms. Many Aspergers have Dyspraxia,and vice versa. Aspergers can have other neurodivergent conditions like Dyslexia and ADHD.
Many Aspergers are even misdiagnosed as ADHD.

Here are sites talking about the similarities of Aspergers,Dyspraxia as well as overlapping symptoms and comorbidity(co-existing Aspergers,Dyspraxia). I keep reading about Aspergers being clumsy and having problems with motor skills, and those are symptoms of Dyspraxia. I have read that many Dyspraxics have problems understanding emotional/social cues. Sometimes, I wonder if they get Aspergers and Dyspraxia mixed up.
Not all Dyspraxics have problems understanding emotional/social cues. Not all Aspergers are clumsy nor have problems with motor skills. Many Dyspraxics do have Aspergers,and many Aspergers have Dyspraxia. That's what's called comorbidity which means that more than one condition co-exists in the person. Of course, if people mention having more than one condition, they can get labeled "hypochondriac" by others that don't understand the concept of comorbidity. Of course, the comorbidity could also actually be misdiagnosis and overdiagnosis. That does occur with many neurodivergents...especially if they diagnose them as having psychiatric disorders which lead to them being medicated and even overmedicated.
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt67451.html http://autismaspergerssyndrome.suite101.com/article.cfm/aspergers_comorbid_conditions[/UR L] [URL=http://www.iancommunity.org/cs/about_asds/aspergers_syndrome_clumsiness]http://www.iancommunity.org/cs/about_asds/aspergers_syndrome_clumsiness http://www.tonyattwood.com.au/ad.html http://www.essortment.com/all/whatisasperger_rhcv.htm http://www.weirdnotstupid.com/gillberg.asp

here are the symptoms of Dyspraxia http://www.dyspraxiausa.org/index.php/Adult-Symptoms.html

Autistics have a history of speech delays,problems which is also one of the known early warning signs of Dyslexia and Dyspraxia. Aspergers don't. That's one of the main criterias in distinguishing Aspergers from Autism. There are such thing as high functioning Autistics that are not Aspergers. Dr. Temple Grandin is one, and she has a history of speech delays/problems which is typical of autism. She doesn't have Aspergers Syndrome, but she would be mistakened for Aspergers Syndrome because she's grown a lot more competent in speech after intensive speech therapy. Many autistics are highly intelligent even though they have severe speech delays/difficulties. Their intelligence are often misjudged because of intelligence tests that test for verbal skills. They do much better on intelligence tests that test nonverbal abstract skills called Raven Matrice test.

Many people on the autistic spectrum disorder have a history of behavior problems,emotional meltdowns. There can be violence too. This often connected being overwhelmed,overstimulated in the environment because of their hypersensitivity to external stimuli(sensory integration) . That's why antipsychotics are used on many people with autistic spectrum disorders. Risperdal,an atypical antipsychotic, has been recently approved to treat irritability and associated behaviors including aggression and self injury. But in children who are autistic, including Asperger's, it was approved by the FDA, I believe in the Fall of 2006. Risperdal has been used off-label for years for kids who are aggressive or easily agitated.

Here are sites about antipsychotics being used on autistic spectrum disorders http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed&pubmedid=18172517
http://www.autism-help.org/points-medication-antipsychotics.htm http://newsfornatives.com/blog/2008/12/15/understandin g-the-significance-of-antipsychotics-as-autism-medical-treatments/ http://www.risperdalautism.com/risperdalautism/patients--about_risperdal.html http://crazymeds.us/risperdal.html http://www.adhdhelp.org/Risperdal.htm

another thing to beware of is that like other neurodivergent conditions, autistic spectrum disorders run in families. They have found that autistic spectrums can be genetic, and so not all autism is caused by vaccines or abnormal alteration of DNA,brain damage which many people believe. Maybe high functioning autism as well as Aspergers are genetic, and low functioning autism is caused by vaccines and abnormal alteration of DNA,brain damage.

Here is an article that discusses the genes of autism http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4464434.stm http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020506/scautism2.html http://autism.about.com/od/causesofautism/a/genetics.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_autism http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020506/scautism.html http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/9.12/aspergers_pr.html

I believe that it's important to consider Aspergers from the neurodivergent perspective and not just the neurotypical perspective. Many of them along with High functioning Autistics don't believe that they have a disorder. They don't believe that their brains are messed up nor that they have a disease like many neurotypicals believe. They believe that they are fine just the way they are but mainstream society doesn't share their view. Many even believe that neurotypicals have more serious issues than they do. Perceptions are relative. I really do believe that it's important to understand neurodivergent conditions from not just the neurotypical perspective but also the neurodivergent perspective too. There is even Autistic Pride Day which is celebrated on June 18th.

here is stuff on neurodiversity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurodiversity http://www.neurodiversity.com/main.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autistic_Pride_Day http://www.ventura33.com/neurodiversity/

Here are some that talk about some of Aspergers strengths..it also has stuff on the strengths of other neurodivergent conditions.

Asperger’s Syndrome often allows a student to show:

* Intense concentration on studying
* Independence
* An affinity with computers and other technology
* Good formal essay writing
* Attention to detail and precision
* Original ideas
* Reliable meeting of deadlines. http://brainhe.com/students/types/aspergersstudents.html http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/aspergers_syndrome/117597 http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/comments/dvorsky20081127/ http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article4882699.ece

Here is a free video called GIFT OF ASPERGERS
I love videos about neurodivergent conditions because of the visual aids. http://fora.tv/2007/07/08/Gift_of_Asperger_s_Syndrome

Some do have a sense of humor and even ridicule neurotypicals in a teasing,humorous type way, but you wonder if they are serious too. After all, they don't like to be seen as being disordered and needing to be fixed. They don't want pity from others. They just want understanding of who and what they are.
here is an example of their humor about neurotypical being a disorder http://isnt.autistics.org/ http://isnt.autistics.org/index.html http://www.maroney.org/hlavaty/documents/neurotypicality.html http://incorrectpleasures.blogspot.com/2006/12/what-would-things-be-like-if-autistic s.html

Raymond

posted December 26, 2008 08:31 PM         

btw...early intervention therapies can help with neurodivergent conditions too. Early intervention is strongly stressed when it comes to correcting neurodivergent issues which tend to be more about maybe overemphasis on certain strengths that interfere with other processes. So maybe they teach them harness those strengths which enables the other processes to develop more. That's just my opinion. I don't know.

I wrote something about the Indigo that pertains to neurodivergents

Indigo Child - New Age Label For Neurodivergents
http://www.amazon.com/revi ew/product/1561708461/ref=cm_cr_dp_synop?%5Fencoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending#R94T8OEMWK6TO

I will check out your son's chart.

I am curious if he has any strong Kuiper Belt activity.

posted December 26, 2008 09:58 PM         

I checked out the 5th harmonic and 7th harmonic aspects in his chart.

I check the 7th harmonic first because the 7th harmonic is said to have Uranus-Neptune flavor,energy linkings not entirely of this world. Creative inspiration,but also mental and emotional difficulties and tenuous connectedness with the physical universe;religion.

There could be an otherworldliness about neurodivergents. Mental and emotional difficulties seems like it would fit with neurodivergence too. Also the 7th harmonic could be about the sublteties of existence, and neurodivergents tend to be extremely sensitive to subtleties that they can be easily overwhelmed,overstimulated by their environment.

Jupiter septile Neptune - '47
You have a destined role as a spiritual teacher or guide. Divine intervention is a common experience in your life, and you never seriously doubt your inner guidance even though it may not lead to success in traditional terms, and may even involve personal risk and sacrifice. There is a divine imperative that drives you to make life choices based upon faith and ideals. Your search for truth and understanding is a life long pursuit, and what you learn is freely shared with all who will listen.

Moon septile Neptune - '10
There is a need in you which you may not quite understand but you feel impelled by. Spiritual or psychic experiences and insights will alter your life path, and in retrospect you will see that your path has been guided by destiny or by some invisible force. You have powerful dreams which deeply affect you. You must learn to let go of resistance and go with it.

Moon biseptile Jupiter - '37
You live with a faith you can t explain or understand, and yet you are unwavering. You know there is a higher force at work in your life; you feel it, and as you look back you recognize its guidance throughout your life. Your knowing can inspire others, and you may be regarded as a sage or wise one. Your attitude is typically quite positive.

Moon-Jupiter-Neptune 7th harmonic triangle
with a corresponding midpoint picture of:
Neptune conjunct Moon/Jupiter midpoint- '29
MO.JU.NE.
+ intuitive. cheerful. carefree. playful. highly imaginative. visionary. sentimental. sensitive. future-oriented. enjoys speculating. motivated by non-material concerns. esoteric. private. obscure.
Future happiness of or with the wife. Apparent luck. Pleasant dream. Satisfaction due to sensitivity. Benefits due to esoteric perceptions. Carefree hours. Fortunate future of a nation.
- prone to gamble. emotionally biased. poor at handling money. irresponsible. wasteful. extravagant. easily swayed. unrealistic. secretive. unfair.
Uncertain financial circumstances. Speculation. Lost luck of or due to a woman. Failure among the public. Financial loss due to a woman or among the public. Injustice for people.

posted December 26, 2008 09:59 PM         

Moon biquintile Saturn - '00
Your parents somehow inspired or stimulated in you the ability to creatively accomplish whatever you want. You have a unique gift for getting emotions to fuel your achievements. Your parents most likely fought and played together, and had an exciting, if sometimes bumpy, relationship. You learned much from them about how to creatively resolve issues and how to have fun doing it. And you learned how to apply those lessons to your life.

Venus biquintile Saturn - 1'34
You could be a financial wizard, you have an uncanny understanding of how to create wealth and secure positions of responsibility and authority for yourself. You are a natural diplomat, handling even the most tense and difficult social situations with remarkable grace, ingenuity and originality. You inspire great affection, trust and loyalty in those under your authority.

Moon quintile Venus - 1'34
You are a charmer. Your gentleness and warmth will captivate and enfold people in your influence. You would be talented at any role involving working with people; you are gifted at creating an ambience of comfort and safety. People trust you, and rightly so, as you are kind-hearted and a good listener. You would also be gifted in theatre or public performing. Your softness is very appealing.

I also checked the 5th harmonic

It is said to be a quality similar to Pluto,with overtones of Venus and Mars: some kind of concrete creation or destruction is effected. Intellectual functions (not excluding emotion) and all especially human matters. Transformational change. The ability to express creative inspiration (due to other factors) in concrete creations.

Moon-Venus-Saturn Golden Yod(5th harmonic triangle)
corresponding midpoint picture of
Saturn oppose Moon/Venus midpoint - '47
MO.VE.SA.
+ responsible. duty-conscious. loyal. modest. humble. shy. renunciatory. feels comfortable with seclusion or privacy. retrospective; interested in historical factors. pragmatic. interested in antique, tactile, or graphic arts.
Earnest love of the wife. Love of an older woman. Loyally devotion. Happiness over her dependability. Enjoyable evening hours. Serious artiste. Antique arts.
- dependent. inhibited. restricted. unlucky. unhappy. lonely. sad.gloomy. contrary. lacking in self-confidence. stuck in the past. prone to feel inferior. emotionally cold.
Difficulties in love due to a woman. Resistance to the wife's or mother's affection. Rigidity of emotions. Inner alienation. Inhibited feelings. Interrupted harmony. Separation from a loving person. Desires which are not fulfilled. Problems with public peace or concord.

interpretations for esoteric aspects were from: http://members.wizzards.net/~magyan/aspects.htm

interpretations for the planetary configurations,midpoint pictures from:
Ruth Brummond's Rulebook

I still have more stuff to look at. I found interesting stuff in the 11th harmonics as well as kuiper belt objects. I will post later.

posted December 27, 2008 12:11 AM         

BTW..how is his Omega 3 fatty acid intake? Is he deficient in Omega 3 fatty acids?

Cod liver oil—many adults remember taking it as kids. These days, parents are giving fish oil to their children because of the evidence that these supplements might enhance brain development and improve learning. A new study suggests that supplementing with these fatty acids might also help autistic children. http://www.mothernature.com/Library/News/index.cfm/n/540 http://www.nutritionresearchcenter.org/healthupdate/2006/10/omega-3-fatty-ac ids-help-autistic.html http://www.discount-vitamins-herbs.net/n-447-autism-omega-3.htm http://www.raysahelian.com/autism.html

I take cod liver/fish oil for my Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD. In 2004,I first read the book, LCP SOLUTION, and I learned about Omega 3 Fatty acids can help with those neurodivergent conditions which tend to have overlapping symptoms and comorbidity.

The biggest thing that I have experienced after taking cod liver/fish oil is a decrease in my hypersensitivity(sensory integration issues). For instance,the frontal lobe of my bain would have far less activity than usual. I tend to have a lot of activity in my frontal lobe that corresponds with me being stressed,confused,upset because of oversensitivity to environmental influences.
I am less emotional,sensitive when I am taking cod liver/fish oil. Therefore less frontal lobe activity,and less prone to be stressed,confused,and upset.

I don't believe that Omega 3 Fatty acid deficiencies lead to neurodivergent conditions.I believe that it's our naturally extremely sensitive nervous system that is very affected by our environment that the nervous system is overly stimulated which leads to burning Omega 3 fatty acid calories more than the average person because of the brain overworking,and then that leads to needing more Omega 3 fatty acids replenished than the average person. That's just my neurodivergent perspective on Omega 3 fatty deficiencies-neurodivergent connection.

I also believe that we have higher levels of cortisol (stress hormone) than the average person. Research studies show that highly sensitive people tend to have higher levels of cortisol levels than the average person. High levels of cortisol and lower levels of serotonin are connected. Of course this can lead to depression if the cortisol levels are too high and the serotonin levels are too low. That's why stress can lead to depression. Many highly sensitive people that have problems with stress end up on SSRI's which are used to treat not only depression,but also social anxiety disorder. From what I have experienced and read, social anxiety disorder seems like it's actually hypersensitivity. SSRI's are not always good. After all,highly sensitive people respond strongly to medications,and so the medications work too strongly. They could get significant side effects. I don't take SSRI's because of strong side effects that made me temporarily impotent. Effexor did the same thing to me. St. John's Wort seems to work strongly on me. That's one of the benefits of having a highly sensitive nervous system. You can respond strongly to herbal remedies.

Medical Astrologers say that people with hard Neptune aspects,and/or strong midpoint Neptune configurations can be oversensitivity to medications,and so they might need a smaller dosage. They could also be better off with herbal remedies as well even subtle types of healing like some believe in Reiki. Massage might help too.

High Functioning Autistic Dr. Temple Grandin takes Prozac to help with her emotional symptoms connected to autism. http://www.icelebz.com/quotes/temple_grandin/ http://www.iidc.indiana.edu/irca/TempleGrandin/EvaluMedication.html http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/498153

I don't believe in psychiatric medications to treat neurodivergent conditions. If cod liver/fish oil decreases hypersentivity,why not take that instead of medication. I believe medication should be a last resort.
That's just my opinion. There can be neurodivergents that benefit from medication.

I checked out 11th harmonics

David Cochrane(creator of Kepler Astrology Program) says that any aspect that has 11 in the denominator is very unstable, erratic, impatient, and rebellious.

Some other astrologers say that it associated with social consciousness and the ability to reach beyond oneself for help.

From the looks of it......it seems that these aspects have an Aquarius/Uranian flavor

even the harmonic-oriented astrologer, Adze wrote:

An Undecile occurs when two planets are plus or minus thirty-two degrees, forty-three minutes and seven seconds apart (approximately thirty-three degrees). An undecile is one-eleventh of a circle. Undeciles indicate psychic gifts. Where undeciles are found, modifications are required. Undeciles relate to the power of computers, science and technology. Undeciles resonate with Uranus, Fixed, Air and Aquarius energy. http://www.adze.com/Classroom/aspects.html

Sun Biundecile Moon - '36
Moon Quadraundecile Eris - '02
Sun Quinqeundecile Eris - '38

Eris is the largest dwarf planet, and it is actually a scattered disk object. It orbits way beyond Neptune,and so it can be viewed as being highly metaphysical in its effects. It has a highly eccentric orbit and orbits well off the ecliptic unlike the planets,and that would indicate divergence. It has a Persephone-like orbit in that it orbits half of its time away from Pluto like Persephone was away from Pluto for half a year. It was Eris' discovery that led to Ceres and Pluto to be made equals as dwarf planets. The myth of Eris fits with ideology,diversity issues in that Eris caused men to quarrel by making them believe their opinions are right and others' are wrong.

So with that in mind,

I believe Sun,Moon,and Eris indicates that the ego/self expression/vitality, the emotional nature/feelings/instincts, and divergence are in a connection that is very unstable, erratic, impatient, and rebellious. There is a possibility for social consciousness and the ability to reach beyond oneself for help. There seems like a strong potential for working with computers,technology.

I also checked out midpoint-midpoint conjunctions,oppositions within 1/2 degree
those can be important. Uranian Astrologers call them "planetary pictures", Magi Astrologers call them "magi quads", and David Cochrane(creator of Kepler Astrology software)calls them Isosceles trapezoids. That's because there are in a 4 planetary harmonic configuration with 2 sides parallel and the other 2 sides the same length. Not all harmonic configurations are easily seen in the chart though...especially if they are nor major aspect harmonics. They can actually be important in a chart,and can indicate strong theme in the chart,and could indicate a major talent.

http://cosmic.patterns.com/ArabicParts.htm http://www.jupitersweb.com/magi_quads_and_midpoint_crossing.htm

Sun/Neptune conjunct Venus/Uranus - '25
sensitive ego merge with unconventional relating

Mercury/Neptune conjunct Venus/Uranus - '05
sensitive mind merge with unconventional relating

Sun/Neptune midpoint in 1'23 Sagittarius - one's sensitivity to subtle forces from without. This may be experienced as weakness and lack of self- assertiveness. Inclination to mystical or spiritual inquiry. Passivity,lack of initiative,allowing another to take control. Being a medium for other's energies.

Mercury/Neptune midpoint in 1'43 Sagittarius - imagination and inspiation. Possibility of confusion,muddled or irrational thinking. Nervous weakness or exhaustion. Concern with spiritual ideas and ideals. The need to transcend ordinary thought patterns

in combination with

Venus/Uranus in 1'48 Sagittarius - sudden,unusual or unstable relationships. desire for freedom in relationships or for exciting relationships. unusual forms of creativity.

Moon/Pluto conjunct Mercury/Uranus - '28
intense emotional nature merge with unconventional mental activity

Moon/Pluto in 6'58 Sagittarius - emotional transformation,powerful feelings,intense desires,emotional fanaticism. dominance of one's consciousness by unconscious energies. emotional power struggles. in male charts, may be a point indicating difficulty with women. unconscious manipulation of others or by others

combined with

Mercury/Uranus in 6'30 Sagittarius - lightning-like mind,tendency to be scattered and become nervous through haste. Sudden decisions or thoughts. need for intellectual stimulation and excitement,need for the unusual. Often relates to ability in mathematics,science,or technology or to involvement in occult techniques such as astrology.

I will post his chart with the kuiper belt objects later.
I will also check out the named centaurs too.

Raymond

posted December 27, 2008 02:59 AM         

Your son has a 5th harmonic triangle,a 7th harmonic triangle,and a 11th harmonic triangle. They all involve the Moon. I find that very interesting. The Moon and Mercury can be involved in information processing and learning. Some astrologers believe that the Moon's travel rate has to do with information processing. Therefore, they believe a fast Moon would indicate fast information processing. They believe a slow Moon would indicate slow information processing which doesn't mean retardation.
Your son's Moon has a travel rate of 12'00, and the Moon's average travel rate is 13'10. Therefore, your son has a slow moon. That could indicate possibility of slow information processing speed which has nothing to do with mental retardation. There are people with above average intelligence that slow moons,and my mother is one of them. The average daily motion of Mercury is 59"08.
The travel rate of your son's Mercury is 1'47",and that's a fast Mercury. This indicates fast mental processes that can lead to quick reactions to the environment. It could be like a overactive nervous system.

posted December 27, 2008 04:25 AM           

In India, we had less than 5 major vaccinations utpo 18 months and now it is almost 16 and rising. Most are frauds lining the pockets of illuminati ruled big pharma. Chicken Pox is a good thing when it comes early on. There is no proof of the Chicken Pox vaccine preventing adult chicken pox too.
There is no statistically time tested proof on the efficacy of Typhoid Vaccine, Flu Variants Vaccine etc.
Giving more than 3 mixed vaccines in one shot to a little baby, imagine what it will do. Will a doctor take 90 mixed shots in one day? That is the mathematical proportion. Every parent must ask the doctor to vaccinate themselves with all shots in one go to prove that vaccines are safe for a baby.

posted December 27, 2008 07:43 AM         

crabbyfish: don't feel sad about your son. most aspies do lead normal lives, and 10 is quite a young age to intervene. the guy i know with aspergers just got diagnosed and he's 21, but he has made lots of friends and has had many relationships with the opposite sex (well, he DOES have 4 personal planets in Libra).

posted December 27, 2008 07:45 AM         

I'm socially uncomfortable.. but understand where he does not, and above all get when someone says something, or when something is wrong or inappropriate. I just have an issue with control. It's not to do with neurological.

posted December 27, 2008 11:17 AM           

The first is my nephew who's been diagnosed with asbergers.

Feb 22, 1990, 9AM Penticton, BC

The second is for my youngest daughter, who I'm becoming concerned about and wondering if there's a possiblility she may have asbergers (or something)

posted December 27, 2008 12:24 PM         

as for the 4 planets in 3rd, That can indicate a lot of mental activity, but it would be hard to tell about anything in regards Aspergers. I have 4 planets in 3rd house myself, and I am definitely not Aspergers. I do have other neurodivergent conditions, but I think that it's reflected by an actual t-square that involves planets. Varuna(a large kuiper belt object,and so highly metaphysical) and Pallas(an asteroid that's like a 2nd Mercury) also aspect the t-square with them both conjuncting Saturn.

Your husband's Uranus closely squares his Midheaven, and that could fit the unconventional nature that Aspergers have in that they known as being rather odd as well as could have abilities computers,technology. They could come off detached even though they may not be.
His Mercury is closely square Pluto,and that could indicate an intense,penetrating mind, but it could also indicate obsessive interest and hyperfocus on a subject of narrow interest which fits the Aspergers profile.

also any hypersensitivity?......I would think Neptune would be involved...with Neptune associated with ultrasensitivity......maybe involved with Mercury...highly sensitive nervous system......it could be involved in a midpoint configuration like I have Mercury conj Sun/Neptune midpoint and 2 other midpoint configurations involving Mercury-Neptune. I also have Mercury parallel Neptune too. I am a highly visual thinker,thinking mainly in pictures as well as have an extremely sensitive nervous system that fits with sensory integration issues that is typical for many neurodivergents. The declinations are something to look at too.

I do wonder if aspects within 1 degree involving Pluto might have something to do with neurodivergence. I wonder aspects have to be within a small orb for it to be a possible indicator.

I also wonder if he has any strong aspects involving Pluto's fellow kuiper objects including especially Eris and Sedna.

I also wonder about the 5th,7th,10th,and 11th harmonics too. Crabbyfish's son has 5th,7th,and 11th harmonic triangles that involve the Moon.

posted December 27, 2008 01:13 PM         

I am examining a Dyslexic boy's chart for a friend, but I will take a look at your nephew's chart and explore what could be his Aspergers

as a neurodivergent myself, I am going to look at it from the neurodivergent perspective too. That means that I don't see Aspergers as a disorder,but an alternative way of being. Therefore,I am not going to just focus on planetary afflictions which would be focus on just what's wrong with the person. I will focus on the easy aspects too as well as the esoteric aspect harmonics (5th,7th,9th,10th,11th).

Neurodivergents have significant strengths and not just significant weaknesses like Dyslexics have strong 3D visualization abilities.

as for your daughter,....umm..I would be nervous to look for Aspergers indicator aspects because I don't want to like to be part of confirming a diagnosis that hasn't been given yet.

What makes you think that she has Aspergers or another neurodivergent condition?

Does she have problems understanding emotional/social cues like body language,facial expressions,tone of voice as well as take things too literally,as well as have a tendency to be obsessive with narrow interests. Does she have sensory integration issues like hypersensitivity external stimuli? Does she have an extremely detail-oriented mind like what Temple Grandin wrote about the autistic mind? Does anybody else have autistic traits? It is known to be genetic and run in families.

Does she have a history of no speech delays/problems? that would fit the Aspergers criteria.

If she has a history of speech delays/problems. That would fit the Autistic criteria. Speech delays/problems are also well-known early warning signs of two other neurodivergent conditions - Dyslexia and Dyspraxia.

Here is stuff on the diagnostic criteria of Aspergers http://www.mindsite.com/dsm_iv/asperger_s_disorder

Here is stuff on the diagnostic criteria of Autism http://www.mindsite.com/dsm_iv/autistic_disorder

I also will give you information on Dyspraxia because I read a lot about how Aspergers are clumsy, have problems with motor skills. I have checked out an Aspergers site,many Asperger adults seem to be able to relate to Dyspraxia. Many Dyspraxics have problems understanding emotional/social cues too, and so they have Aspergers symptoms too. There is significant comorbidity between Aspergers and Dyspraxia. Comorbidity seems to be the rule and not the exception when it comes to neurodivergents. Most neurodivergents have more 1 neurodivergent condition. Not all Dyspraxics have Aspergers nor do all Aspergers have Dyspraxia. I think some specialists get Aspergers and Dyspraxia mixed up. Like some group Dyspraxia and Aspergers and say that it's Aspergers. Some say that it's Dyspraxia. It's gets confusing...but then again, neurodivergents are confusing any way. hahaahha That's why That's one of the reasons I believe that Neptune is strong in a neurodivergent. They are confusing/can easily be confused in some ways,hard to pin down,often misunderstood/misdiagnosed,and many of them are ultrasensitive types. Many neurotypical might even see them as deceptive in some way if they don't understand their neurodivergent weaknesses...i.e. many neurodivergents have problems with eye contact. Having eye contact no none with another during communications is often viewed as determining if somebody's being honest or not. Some have to pause before answering a question. Some might see that as being dishonest because they might think "well...he's obviously lying,he can't even give a straight answer"
Even disorganization,absentmindedness that many neurodivergents have can be mistaken for deception too.

here is stuff on Dyspraxia:

early symptoms of Dyspraxia http://www.dyspraxiausa.org/index.php/Early-Symptoms.html

there is an organization called DANDA

DANDA – the Developmental Adult Neuro-Diversity Association has been set up for people with Dyspraxia, Asperger’s Syndrome, AD(H)D and other related conditions such as dyslexia and dyscalculia.

It became a registered charity in December2003 - No 1101323. It is run by adults with one or more of these conditions, thus following the Madrid declaration of 2001, which stated that no decisions about the disabled should be taken without their active involvement -'Nothing about us without us'.

DANDA has grown out of the Dyspraxia Foundation Adult Support Group, as it became clear that most people connected to the Group did not have dyspraxia alone. Most, in fact, had AD(H)D (Attention Deficit (Hyperactivity) Disorder, Asperger’s Syndrome or dyslexia as well. It was the norm rather than the exception. http://www.danda.org.uk/pages/about-danda.php

I like this Diagram...It shows the symptoms of the various neurodivergent conditions and how they overlap with each other.

It says that neurodiversity is difficulties with organization,memory,concentration,time,direction,
perception,sequencing,poor listening skills, - leading to low self esteem, anxiety depression, but creative,original,and determined.

note: not all will apply..it depends on the neurodivergent condition as well as the comorbidity. Some neurodivergents have only 1 neurodivergent condition.
http://www.danda.org.uk/pages/neuro-diversity.php

I also want to show that there are strengths that neurodivergents have too. I think that it's important to focus on their strengths and not just their weaknesses. They could use their strengths to compensate for their weaknesses There could be a talent that they have which could help with their self esteem.

Q. What are the positive aspects of Neuro-Diversity?

Neuro-Diversity is often linked to enthusiasm, creativity, originality, lateral 'outside the box' thinking and the ability to take the strategic perspective (Skills desperately needed within the workplace). Attention/concentration control problems can have a positive flip-side in terms of hyper-focusing (i.e. being totally absorbed and preoccupied) and not knowing when to give up.

Many of the world's innovators are NDs, who have found their niche. This may well be a combination of original thinking coupled with hyper-focusing resulting in achieving what may well have been considered impossible and even madness to attempt. The series Great Britons was peppered with NDs such as Churchill and Newton. NDs also make a very significant contribution in terms of art and drama. Because of having to deal with their condition, many NDs are hard working, determined and compassionate.

The world would be a poorer place if we were all NTs, as it would be if we were all NDs. The skills and talents of many NDs are complemented nicely by the organisation, implementation and multi-tasking skills that many NTs have. http://www.danda.org.uk/pages/faq.php#question_5

Raymond

posted December 27, 2008 04:27 PM           

We didnt know for a long time what to do, and when in doubt we had in draw. HE considers himself an artist. He told me once he wanted to be an art teacher when he grows up.

Here's something funny you will appreciate. A woamn I know has an older (17) Autistic son...and I think sje was trying to relate to my son during a visit...she leaned down to him and siad..."You know, I have a son who is Autisic." And My Son said..."Oh really? Well, I am Artistic!" Lolll. I love that little guy so much.

I will add Omega 3's to the diet. Supplements are so expensive that I havnt had them..but I am working alot more now that all 3 of my children are in school...so this I will definately add!

THis part u said...

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Jupiter septile Neptune - '47
You have a destined role as a spiritual teacher or guide. Divine intervention is a common experience in your life, and you never seriously doubt your inner guidance even though it may not lead to success in traditional terms, and may even involve personal risk and sacrifice. There is a divine imperative that drives you to make life choices based upon faith and ideals. Your search for truth and understanding is a life long pursuit, and what you learn is freely shared with all who will listen.
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I think this is what that woman was referring to in MAyan Astrology when she called him "Electric Monkey".