posted May 11, 2010 02:07 PM            

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On astro.com True Lilith`s number is h13. You can type it into the little box below the other asteroids.

I haven`t thought about it, but yes, Goldie Hawn makes sense as a Lilith-figure. There is a dark edge to her humour (at least how she comes across to me) and she is very much "her own woman".

Ami,

"Proper place" is nothing Lilith is concerned with. Actually it is something she is struggling against. Her "proper place" would have been lying beneath Adam which she vehemently refused doing, and suffered the consequences for her refusal.

"Proper place" is something that is very much dependent on the society we are living in.
Lilith does not really accept the restraints society puts on us; that is why people fear her. She is uncontrollable (and actually there is a reason for most social roles; just Lilith does not care for them - which is probably why she is lated so much to "Taboo").

A woman that comes to my mind is actually Angelina Jolie. Just look how much she splits the nations!
And yet she is just doing "her own thing", refusing to be pressed in any fixed pattern.

EDIT:
I checked for Angie`s chart:

Her Mean and True Lilith are in Pisces in 8th house. (In 8th house? Can it get more taboo than that?)

Her Mean Lilith on 13°21 Pisces squares her Sun on 13°25 Gemini - now THAT is close!

Her True Lilith is semisextile her Mars (Not sure how relevant semisextile is though), and squares her Neptune in 5th house (of children, affairs and erotic style!) by 00°30.

I also thought of Johnny Depp and Robert Downey Jr to have at least a "little" touch of Lilith, as they also refuse to be "categorized".

Johnny actually has True Lilith conjunct Neptune in Scorpio in 4th house by 00°18.
True Lilith sextiles Moon in 6th house by 00°06.
Trines Chiron in Pisces in 8th house by 1°10.
Quinkunx Jupiter in Aries in 9th by 00°16.
Square ASC in Leo by 1°17.

Mean Lilith sits on his IC (in Scorpio) sextile his Mars-Uranus-conjunction.

Robert Downey Jr. has True Lilith in Cappy in 5th house, conjunct 6th house cusp.
sextile Saturn in Pisces in 8th.
square Venus in Aries in 9th.
trine his Mars-Uranus-Pluto-conjunction.
quinkunx his Leo ASC

Mean Lilith is in Cappy in 6th house
sextile Chiron in Pisces in 8th
square Mercury in ARies in 9th
trine MOon in Taurus in 10th
sextile Neptune in Scorpio in 4th by 00°03.

I also thought as an imaginary character Scarlett O`Hara was pretty Lilithian.
And so was the actress who played her.

Her true Lilith was in Pisces in 11th house
conjunct NN
trine Mars in Cancer in 3rd

Mean Lilith was in Pisces in 11th, too.
square Pluto in Cancer in 2nd
trine Neptune and IC in Cancer
opposing Karma in 5th on the Ariespoint!

Neat.

posted May 11, 2010 03:35 PM            

When I was 21 I had transiting Pluto cnj my Sun, so square my BML. Some transits feel like something external acting on you, and when the planet moves on you feel like your "old self" again. Other transits sear you forever because the energy is coming from inside you. They leave you with a more true version of yourself. That's what this transit was like for me.

Main points of this transit:

1. Sex went tantric.
2. I went B1tch.
3. My clothes went s1utty.

All points remain to this day.

First point needs no elaboration.

Second point - I started having more angry outbursts with my partner. Overall this was positive. I needed to pop out of the air bubble that is my 1st house Mercury-Uranus conjunction. I doubt it's a coincidence that my bf at the time was the most "airy" partner I've had. He provided a mirror for me to rebel against. Through that rebellion, I uncovered who I really am and want to be in a relationship. We had lots of Node activity. (His Sun and 7th house ruler on my NN; my Moon on his NN; his Moon cnj my SN.) Just checked - his 1st house ruler is exactly cnj my BML! Haha, poor guy. I really gave him a rough time. I'm sure the first point made it all worth it for him though.

posted May 11, 2010 03:36 PM            

For me, above all else BML is unapologetically sexually powerful. And selfish. I think of BML as the archetype that corresponds with the state immediately before an orgasm. Maybe that's where the aggressive emotional righteousness comes from. At that point, we're experiencing our impending orgasm as an unstoppable right. (Apparently BML is bold as well, since I can't stop bolding. )

I say BML is selfish because it's about YOU experiencing that power. BML doesn't care how your expression of that power makes another person feel. BML isn't looking in her partner's eyes. BML isn't about a deep personal connection with someone else. BML is about you having that type of connection with your own energy. BML has just as good of a time with any partner because her thrill isn't dependent on anyone else.

posted May 11, 2010 03:54 PM            

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I feel like the Lilith person literally becomes Lilith here and wants to have those Lilith experiences with the planet person....I think the Lilith person is interested in how the planet person puts them in touch with their personal taboos that might be the key to their feeling the flow of things within themselves, potentially highlighting areas they don't want to admit they care about but are the key to them feeling whole. And I think the planet person feels it but more so in terms of putting them in touch with the deeper issues of their planet. I do think though, that the planet person (at least with hard aspects) experiences a level of threat or intimidation from the Lilith person

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I found your posts very helpful and insightful!

posted May 11, 2010 04:05 PM            

I went back to look at my BML transits on that day, when a sudden physical attraction really hit me out of the blue.
Completely surprising, not very welcome by me, it was like it was rumbling somewhere deep down inside of me, and it really was difficult to deal with it, as I have honestly NEVER felt anything similiar. In all my 35 years on this earth!
My skin was literally crawling.

Turns out Transit Lilith was conjunct my NN and Neptune and still in orb to conjunct my ASC.
PLUS it was conjnct the ASC of the First Meeting chart (which of course means this First meeting chart`s ASC was conjunct my NN) and Eros was exactly opposite BML on that day (all on my nodal axis - oh boy).

Transit Chiron, Neptune and NN were conjunct my natal mean BML.

So actually there was a DW of BML and NN for me.

posted May 11, 2010 04:32 PM            

It makes me think of another thread on here and I wrote this, which I still think can be applied in this case:

"I think Lilith IS to an extent 'what we feel uncomfortable' with.
There's nothing comfortable with the feelings.
Nothing settling.
I'm starting to think Lilith is the epitome of discomfort and attraction, and the void of how to reconcile the two things. If you like someone and want them... I mean WANT them...and yet need to look outside of that desire in order to look at the established norms of how to pace things...how to do them in some 'conventional' way....then you've met Lilith. And she's just doing her job by doing nothing at all.... nothing but existing.

After I posted this thread last night, I had a dream that I was wearing a black vintage business suit and black 6-inch heels. I was walking through a field at night and there were men milling through the field, and faintly I could make out that they were wearing camouflage vests. They had hunting dogs with them, and it was hunting season.
I became aware that the dogs were hunting *ME* as I walked through the field. Here I was in my femme gear (black business with stilettos) and there were dogs after me. The men followed. I was really dispassionately observing the whole scene when I realized that one of the hunting dogs had caught me by the arm, and I felt his teeth dig into my skin, as he growled.
It's really strange... as I was waking up, I heard growls coming out of my own throat, as though I was growling back, or I WAS the snarling dog.

posted May 11, 2010 04:52 PM            

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I went back to look at my BML transits on that day, when a sudden physical attraction really hit me out of the blue.
Completely surprising, not very welcome by me, it was like it was rumbling somewhere deep down inside of me, and it really was difficult to deal with it, as I have honestly NEVER felt anything similiar. In all my 35 years on this earth!
My skin was literally crawling.

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Sorry. I shouldn't have sent you my picture.

Those transits are cray-zay! I'm relieved you didn't spontaneously combust. Although a violent shock at first, has that transit left you craving that feeling more? I would expect that Node dw to mean the experience affected your path in a major way.

BTW, did you know that we both have a 4 degree Lilith Corridor? Cuz we do. You know what they say - Once you've had 4, you'll be begging for more. Sorry, I'm in a silly mood. Mood/life.

MVM -

posted May 11, 2010 04:52 PM            

Ami, claim Lilith? How can anyone lay claims on Lilith
No seriously tho, sure, you can do it... just as long as you're not scared of baring your teeth and biting when you need to

posted May 11, 2010 04:58 PM            

Is it near 13*? That's my Venus.

I think my BML's are too early in Virgo to be cnj your Sun, if I'm remembering your bday correctly. I have Mean at 16 and True at 20.

posted May 11, 2010 05:28 PM            

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Yes, it can have to do with clothes. I know what you mean about BML being an attitude thing, and I completely agree on that point. But what I was saying is that I became unapologetic about my sexuality inside and outside. That was a dramatic change from how I had been.

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Really? I have 3 Liliths Conjunct Moon and I could care less either way in terms of clothing, I still believe there's a time and place for everything. Sexier clothing I reserve for places like nightclubs, and even then I try to make sure it looks classy and not trashy.

I do agree with the last part though, she apologizes about nothing. I like to think that maybe she's the female version of Pluto. Would be fitting for my Hades Moon..haha.

posted May 11, 2010 07:55 PM            

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Why is Lilith associated with Pluto? Is it because of the whole sexuality thing? I don't really see the association with Pluto and sex. I see destruction, transformation, and profound upheaval, but not sexuality.

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posted May 11, 2010 08:02 PM            

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You realize you're actually agreeing with me, right? You don't concern yourself with the way you sexualize your outer form (of course within the limits of your own personal taste and jugment) because you have BML cnj your Moon. You innately own your sexuality's power.

You'll notice that I never said BML is about dressing in sexy clothes. I mentioned clothes in my first post about how the transit to my BML changed me. It's my second post where I describe what I think BML is.

That transit to my BML made me no longer need to hide/diminish my sexual appearance. I could finally wear whatever I liked and no longer let other people's sexual attention dictate my wardrobe. I finally liked and accepted looking sexual on the outside, for all to see. I no longer saw my own sexual power - inside and outside - as a threat to me. That changed my life!

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