posted January 18, 2009 02:58 AM            

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Jupiter in the 7th...?

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Perhaps if we take the philosophical angle of Jupiter, you like to philosophize about others. That's something I've seen in you.

Of course it could mean big partnerships.

posted January 18, 2009 03:30 AM            

Pluto in the 2nd must have and control possessions.
With Pluto in the 3rd, you're not superficially interested in things. If you're interested, you're profoundly interested.

Uranus in the 3rd brings an unconventional mind, or way of looking at things.
Uranus in the 4th in the positive sense is "at home" anywhere. In the negative sense, the home life is unstable.

posted January 18, 2009 03:42 AM              

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With Pluto in the 3rd, you're not superficially interested in things. If you're interested, you're profoundly interested.

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OMG Acoustic this is so true for me! Thank you

posted January 18, 2009 04:14 AM              

oh and what happens to AC/MC/IC/DC with whole house? are they all now at 0 degrees in the same four signs they used to be in, or does it form a perfect cross, if those signs were not previously squared? (mine are trined in placidius).

but woah!! it actually DOES seem to fit. only thing is, i used to have NN and saturn in the 8th and i REALLY REALLY identify with those. now i don't have any 8th/scorp except for uranus in scorp which is in the 12th in whole house. but i definitely feel that 8th house stuff, so maybe in some weird way uranus there could account for it? i'm not sure..

anyway, i'm definitely gonna explore this system. anyone else feel much lighter too? and i rob hand. i'll check out that book forsure!

ooh i hope this discussion continues for a long time. i wonder if BOTH are valid, but placidus pertains more to conditions at birth (which is why most of us relate) that continue as patterns in life, while whole house gives us a sense of new directions to take, which is why we're, oddly, feeling lighter and more understood?

posted January 18, 2009 07:59 AM              

HSC, i think i owe you a million dollars.

i just read the chapter on saturn in the 10th in liz greene's book and it put my entire freaking LIFE into perspective. i've read nothing truer and closer to home than this. okay and i actually think i related to the 8th house saturn so much cuz they have some similar features: complete lack of emotional closeness to one or both parents for instance. but tenth makes WAY more sense in this regard and spelled out the dynamic almost exactly like i experienced it!

and i haven't read up on my new NN in the 10th yet but this makes a LOT of sense to me too. and it's interesting cuz my moon's been taken out of the 4th and put into the 6th in this new system (which i strongly identify with; a need to serve others), and so it could be this 4th house energy i identified with that is actually my SN energy. cuz dang it was a drag; clinging to an evil mother!! haha. i'll take my NN (choice!) any day. whew.

posted January 18, 2009 08:20 AM              

It changes 4 planets/points in my core chart.

1. Makes my Sun a 4th House Type than 3rd, which I am absolutely not.

2. Makes my Pluto and Moon a 7th House type: I dont have any 7th House Pluto characteristics but do seem to have some 7th House Moon traits.

3. My Uranus jumps from 7th to 8th: Again, I did not see any 8th House Uranus traits in my personality.

So overall, I have to give this system a thumbs down as far as my personal application goes. But there is no law that says it wont work for others. Natives who will not gain from actual cusp transits will find more value from this system.

Apart from the 5 areas which this system nullifies, I must add that it also nullifies the Solar Return Chart and Active Astrology of Ciro as well as the Secondary Chart analysis of Tobey/Lewi. It also makes Progressed Chart houses meaningless, and erases the Draconic Ascendant Research which points to our Soulmates. So that is 9 charts less for a student of astrology, which I think will make things much lighter for interpretation.

posted January 19, 2009 06:28 AM              

i know i had some MAJOR validation of pluto transiting my 12th house cusps; both times i almost died, like literally this . close to death. so i wonder if both could be valid somehow? thoughts? >>

posted January 19, 2009 07:55 AM              

my asc is at 26' cap. whilst my sun merc. venus is at the earliest of degrees.

placidius gives me
jupiter leo 7th
ceres, sun merc venus conj. virgo 7th
juno, uranus, pluto virgo 8th
saturn aries 2nd moon aries 3rd

equal /koch
moves the virgo stuff which if you add the asteroids is about 12 things into the 8th.
jupiter stays put
saturn moves to the 3rd.

whole house
moves
jupiter to the 8th
my sun cluster screw (all of it) to the 9th
moon saturn to the 4th
and my mc, mars neptune conj moves to the 11th. no changes on that above.

posted January 19, 2009 11:22 AM              

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Green Fairy,

Pluto in the 2nd must have and control possessions.
With Pluto in the 3rd, you're not superficially interested in things. If you're interested, you're profoundly interested.

Uranus in the 3rd brings an unconventional mind, or way of looking at things.
Uranus in the 4th in the positive sense is "at home" anywhere. In the negative sense, the home life is unstable.

Ok, I'm tired of doing this now, so I'm going to stop.

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posted January 19, 2009 12:11 PM            

And you are an artist, and your art is very Jupiterian, in a way.

posted January 19, 2009 12:20 PM            

I'm so glad you feel lighter.

posted January 19, 2009 12:24 PM            

There may be very good reasons, which we cannot perceive,
as to why this system seems to work better for some than others.

I encourage you to stick with what works for you.

posted January 19, 2009 12:28 PM            

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I guess the later the degree of your ASC. the more your chart will change?

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Two things appear to make a big difference.

The other thing is the latitude of your place of birth.