posted February 03, 2009 11:15 AM         

In my synastry, we do not have very many Psyche/Eros connections, for example, so I ignored that theme. But we do have many Isis/Osiris connections. So I just listed all of them, most of which were a 1 or 0 degree orb.

posted February 03, 2009 12:51 PM           

Love,

well, yes, I really wanted to limit the astrological pairs.
Actually IQ came up with these, and according to his, Lara`s and my reserach it seems that Pluto-Proserpina/ Persephone features strongly in soulmate-relationships.

I now wanted to know if that is true for all relationships, of if maybe the other pairings that IQ mentioned also come up and if the relationships would reflect the themes of the dominant asteroids.

For example:
If you have dominant Jupiter - Juno, is there a lot of bitching going on?

But important, strong asteroids should also have strong aspects to the most important points in a chart; in my opinion those are Sun, Moon, ASC, IC, NN (and Karma).
So I thought we could look at:

1. aspects of pairings to each other
2. aspects of those asteroids to Sun, Moon, ASC, IC, NN and Karma, preferably in a tight orb (because I believe the closest orbs to be most effective)

Now I know of course that everyone can have a different opinion, but for me this works to focus on the important points.
All these long lists just confuse and frustrate me at the moment.

posted February 03, 2009 12:55 PM           

are yours 2° aspects (3° for conjunctions)?

SIVA/ PARVATI/ KAALI:

SYNASTRY:
------------------

Her SIVA trine his NN
Her KAALI sextile PLUTO
- for some reason I can`t explain, I consider Pluto-aspects to Siva and Kaali, Eros and Psyche, Isis and Osiris as important. It`s just a feeling.

Her KAALI sextile his KARMA
Her PARVATI oppose his MOON

COMPOSITE:
-------------------

PARVATI conjunct SIVA

KAALI quincunx MOON

DAVISON:
---------------

PARVATI conjunct SIVA
KAALI quintile SIVA
SIVA quincunx KARMA
PAVARTI quincunx KARMA
KAALI quintile KARMA

jeez, no doubt this will be a stronge theme!

posted February 03, 2009 01:01 PM           

ISIS/OSIRIS:
SYNASTRY:
-----------------
Her OSIRIS conjunct his ISIS
Her ISIS sextile his OSIRIS (DW)

His ISIS sextile her IC
His OSIRIS square her IC

Her ISIS quintile his MOON
Her ISIS square his PLUTO

Her OSIRIS trine his PLUTO
Her OSIRIS quincunx his NN
Her OSIRIS trine his KARMA

His ISIS trine her PLUTO (DW)
His ISIS quincunx her NN
His ISIS trine her KARMA

his OSIRIS quincunx her KARMA (DW)

COMPOSITE:
--------------------

OSIRIS quintile ASCENDANT
OSIRIS conjunct SUN

DAVISON:
---------------

OSIRIS trine MOON

- another strong theme

His PLUTO sextile her PERSEPHONE
Her PLUTO quintile his PERSEPHONE
Her ADONIS conjunct his NN

His ADONIS sextile her KARMA
His ADONIS trine her IC

Her PROSERPINA conjunct his S Node
Her PROSERPINA quincunx his KARMA
His PROSERPINA trine her PERSEPHONE

Her PERSEPHONE sextile his KARMA
His PERSEPHONE quintile her KARMA (DW)

COMPOSITE:
-------------------

ADONIS oppose SUN

PERSEPHONE quincunx MOON

DAVISON:
---------------

ADONIS oppose SUN
ADONIS sextile MOON
ADONIS square ASCENDANT

PROSERPINA sextile ASCENDANT

PERSEPHONE quimtile KARMA

posted February 03, 2009 01:32 PM           

I) Zeus, Hera, Jupiter, Juno

synastry:
his Zeus and Jupiter exactly sextile my Juno

composite:
Zeus exactly conjuncts Jupiter
Hera conjuncts ASC

Davison:
Zeus exactly conjuncts Jupiter
Zeus and Jupiter exactly semisextile Juno

2) Venus, Mars, aphrodite, Adonis

synastry:
my Aphrodite exactly sextile his Venus
my Aphrodite exactly quinkunx his Aphrodite
- maybe I should leave that out, as Aphrodite and Venus are no Yin-Yang-objects

my Aphrodite exactly semisextile his Adonis
his Aphrodite exactly quindecile my Adonis (DW)

my Persephone exactly sextile his Adonis

my Venus conjuncts his Sun
his Venus conjuncts my NN
my Adonis exactly conjuncts his Moon

composite:
Venus exactly septile Adonis

Venus conjuncts Moon

3) Adonis, Inannen:

synastry:
his Adonis quinkunx my Inannen
my Adonis squares his Inannen (DW)

my Adonis exactly conjunct his Moon

composite:
Adonis quinkunx Inannen

Inannen conjunct IC

4) Eros, Cupido, Psyche

synastry:
my Eros exactly trine his Eros
- again, those are no Yin-Yang-connections

his Cupido exactly conjuncts my ASC
his Cupido conjuncts my NN

composite:
Psyche conjuncts Sun

Davison:
Eros conjuncts Sun
Psyche conjuncts NN

5) Isis, Osiris

synastry:
my Isis exactly conjunct his Sun
my Osiris exactly conjunct his Sun

Composite:
Osiris conjuncts IC exactly
Osiris opposes Pluto exactly

6) Siva, Parvati, Kaali

synastry:
no conjunctions, but there are some other aspects like a DW of Siva-NN sextile, or a Siva-Pluto trine as well as a Kaali/Parvati-square

composite:
Siva exactly square Kaali
Siva conjunct NN

Davison:
Siva exactly opposite Kaali

7) Pluto, Persephone, Proserpina

synastry:
my Pluto exactly quindecile his Persephone

my Proserpina exactly conjuncts his Karma
my Proserpina exactly opposes his Proserpina

composite:
Pluto exactly quindecile Proserpina

Pluto conjuncts MC
Proserpina conjunt Karma

Davison:
Pluto exactly conjuncts Proserpina on 6.7 Libra

posted February 03, 2009 03:02 PM         

Yes, every aspect I put up is 2 degrees or less (many exact), except for a few conjunctions which were 3 degrees. That's why I thought it was worth posting since those themes seemed to be so pertinent.

Is he a close soulmate? Yes. I've been with a few soulmates but this time it seems a little different. We met only a month ago and it became super serious within the first week. In fact, our first date lasted 5 days! I'm actually a little freaked out by the whole thing since we felt so openly committed so quickly and it's been such a mutual experience.

I guess I was hoping, since I've been feeling slightly overwhelmed, that these might help me to get a handle on what we're doing together...more specifically

So DD, taking all of the other asteroids out of it, what do you see from the aspects you re-listed above...?

I can tell you that so far, as a couple, we feel it's a very spiritual, tantric-like bond in many ways. It's also a very emotional connection which I think has enormous potential for healing in a harmonious way.

In our synastry we do have the requisite Ascendant connections: My Mars trine his Ascendant, exact. His Mars trine my NN, exact. My Moon conjunct his SN, exact. His Venus sextile my Ascendant, 2 degree orb. And my Pluto also quintiles his ASC. We also have Valentine square Ascendant double whammy, both 0 degree orbs.

posted February 03, 2009 03:34 PM           

is that a new synastry?

Anyway; Mars - Osiris, especially his Mars to your Osiris, especially strong if conjunction:
his male / masculine self triggers the image of a divine husband in you.
But ONLY his sexual masculine side (if it was his Sun it would have been his whole Self).

Kaali - Siva - DW
you know that, don`t you?
implies tantric relations.

Pluto / Eros:
Taboo-oriented attraction. Very erotic, compulsive.

posted February 03, 2009 03:42 PM           

wow, you have strong connections as well as the all important feelings accompanying.

"My Moon conjunct his SN, exact."
I have the same connection with musicman, and I think i`t very probably hints at past life in your case. Maybe even a maternal bond, in any case a caring and emotional one. Not easy to let go of this one, I can tell you!

"We also have Valentine square Ascendant double whammy, both 0 degree orbs."
Defnitely significant. NOt the stuff HOllywood dreams are made of though. But I guess, despite all obstacles, there will be a triggering of love energy.

"PARVATI conjunct SIVA"
The lovers. Soulmates, connected by a deep bond of love. Do I have to say more?

"DAVISON:
---------------

PARVATI conjunct SIVA"
This gets actually emphasized, because it appears in BOTH relationship charts, as a conjunction within 2°!
That is very strong theme.

"KAALI quintile SIVA"
It is not a main aspect, yet I think the fact that there is an aspect at all strengthens the theme, adding some tantric aspect to it.

There are also many connections to Karma, so maybe you have had a Tantric or Indian past line together.

posted February 03, 2009 03:52 PM           

"Her OSIRIS trine his KARMA"
Makes me think of yet another past life.

"His ISIS trine her KARMA!"
LOOK that is AWESOME!
Her Osiris, her divine husband, is tied to his Karma, and his Isis, his divine wife, is tied to her Karma.
I am pretty sure in a past life you would have been husband and wife, probably in Egypt.

"COMPOSITE:
--------------------

OSIRIS conjunct SUN"
Sun is the SELF of the relationship, so if anything is conjunct this Sun, it is part of the foundation or reason the relationship exists, colouring it strongly.
In your case it is Osiris. The third really strong hint at an Egyptian past life.

"His PLUTO sextile her PERSEPHONE
Her PLUTO quintile his PERSEPHONE"
A DW of Pluto and Persephone; as these aspects seem to always appear in soulmate relationships (as far as my research goes), this is another hint to you being soulmates. Are you still counting?

Also Pluto-Persephone carries the theme of transformation with it. You probably will be changed through this connection. Since those are harmonous aspects, it will mostly be creative and harmonious I think. Of course a conjunction would have been stronger.

"Her ADONIS conjunct his NN"
He is destined to be her Adonis, her ideal of the virile man, and she probably will be enthralled by him, well, you will.

"Her PROSERPINA conjunct his S Node
Her PROSERPINA quincunx his KARMA"
There seems to be a Proserpina-theme, too, tied to the past. A passionate love maybe?

"Her PERSEPHONE sextile his KARMA
His PERSEPHONE quintile her KARMA (DW)"
This of course emphasises this further.

So far I`d say, the Egyptian, Indian and the Proserpian theme is very strong. You can read up a bit about the story ont he first page here.

posted February 03, 2009 04:19 PM         

EDIT ** Also, in the Composite and Davison, Isis exactly semi-sextiles Osiris, so they do aspect one another, but I didn't include it since I didn't think the semi-sextile was considered in these cases.

I've always wanted to go to Egypt although like I mentioned in another asteroid post, I feel more of a connection to a past life I had in the UK somewhere. I think you mentioned that you felt something similar about your own life?? It's a really strong feeling.

One thing I have noticed is that in many/most of the charts of my family/friends/relationships Isis is conjunct my name asteroid so I think that archetype must have some relevance for me in this lifetime.

The Siva/Parvati energy is definitely there. And Kaali as well, although that whole situation is a little confused between us. The energy is sort of chaotic and calm at the same time which reminds me of kundalini energy in a sense.

As for the Pluto/Proserpina/Persephone aspects, I definitely agree about there being a very harmonious and creative way about our healing. I can see how the conjunction might seem stronger, but with all the Siva/Parvati energy we have together, I almost think that the quintile makes the transformation a little less intense.

And as for my Adonis conjuncting his NN, I definitely think he's super hot! Meow!

With the Isis/Osiris trine Karma mutual aspects, would this not perhaps be seen as current life karma? Or could it go either way? I usually think of Draco aspects being more indicative of past karma and tropical being indicative of current karma. I also tend to think of Isis and Osiris as being indicative of husband and wife specifically.

As for the Valentine square ASC aspect, I had asked IQ about that:
"Does this mean that a love of the other's self and/or physical appearance might technically turn to hate given the synastry aspects?"

And he said:"It would be the opposite. Whatever causes strong reactions would in time lead to unbreakable bonds of love."

So I agree that it's significant, but I do wonder at it's meaning, still. Squares seem a little harsh with Valentine.

So maybe then since the Parvati/Siva theme seems to be the most prevalent throughout all the charts, maybe that's the main current life theme. Perhaps Isis/Osiris come next in order of thematic importance and the Pluto/Pros/Perseph theme is supportive of the transformation necessary within the first 2 themes.

posted February 03, 2009 04:22 PM         

Synastry:

My Sun sextile his Juno
His Juno square my ASC
My Jupiter quincunx his ASC
His Hera conjunct my ASC
His Sun quintile my Hera
His Moon trine my Jupiter
My Sun sextile his Jupiter
His Jupiter square my Zeus
His Jupiter sextile my Hera
His NN sextile my Juno
My Karma trine his Hera

Composite:

Juno oppose ASC
Juno square IC
Jupiter conjunct SN
Jupiter quincinx Pluto
Jupiter sextile ASC

Juno also sextiles NN and trines Jupiter,
but the orb is 3 degrees.

Davison:

posted February 03, 2009 04:27 PM         

It's trine/trine 0'

posted February 03, 2009 04:49 PM           

"ther while we were eating Indian food, we joked that we probably had a past life in India together."
Well, those jokes often have some truth it it, don`t they?

"DIT ** Also, in the Composite and Davison, Isis exactly semi-sextiles Osiris, so they do aspect one another, but I didn't include it since I didn't think the semi-sextile was considered in these cases."
Yes, I wouldn`t consider it strongly. I`m still waiting on IQ`s verdict on the quindecile though.

"I've always wanted to go to Egypt although like I mentioned in another asteroid post, I feel more of a connection to a past life I had in the UK somewhere."
YEs, I have a very very strong feeling regarding the UK, but in later times, not as early as the Babylonian or Indian or Egpytian ones.

"hing I have noticed is that in many/most of the charts of my family/friends/relationships Isis is conjunct my name asteroid so I think that archetype must have some relevance for me in this lifetime."
Yes, I think so, too.
I have also noticed that my name asteroid in menīs charts often is in about 8° Pisces. And if it is not in their natal chart, then in t he composite. Weird.

"he Siva/Parvati energy is definitely there. And Kaali as well,"
Yes, even though the Siva - parvati is really strong.

"The energy is sort of chaotic and calm at the same time which reminds me of kundalini energy in a sense."
My favourite kind of energy.

"With the Isis/Osiris trine Karma mutual aspects, would this not perhaps be seen as current life karma?"
Hmm, I think you could interprete it in both directions. I was basing my interpretation actually on what IQ once said, and he related it to past karma.
Also, I tend to see a difference between Karma and destiny, I also like comparing those asteroids, and see Karma as some kind of SN, w hile Destinn is similiar to NN.
But I don`t have to be right.

"Or could it go either way? I usually think of Draco aspects being more indicative of past karma and tropical being indicative of current karma."
Maybe, but even in the current incarnation you see the traces of the last ones.
Also, Draco is not only about the past, it is about the depth of your soul.

"I also tend to think of Isis and Osiris as being indicative of husband and wife specifically."
Yes. Definitely. The mature couple.

"So I agree that it's significant, but I do wonder at it's meaning, still. Squares seem a little harsh with Valentine."
I think so, too. Maybe you have to work harder to release the love, while with a trine it just flows?

posted February 03, 2009 05:53 PM         

I) Zeus, Hera, Jupiter, Juno:

This feels like a lot of male energy. When I look at those aspects I get a very masculine
feeling from it. Even with Hera on the Ascendant, it feels like strong energy to me. Maybe that's just from all that Zeus/Jupiter conjuncting, not sure Maybe on a very male level, this is the kind
of man you would like to be committed to? That it's this type of 'maleness' and strength that resonates with you on a bonding level...

2) Venus, Mars, aphrodite, Adonis

The synastry of Aphrodite/Adonis seems to be mostly minor aspects so while somewhat relevant,I think that this is more relevant :

"my Persephone exactly sextile his Adonis" - I would say that's a romantic link, although not a Super strong one since they're both technically in love with other people, no?

my Venus conjuncts his Sun ~ Always a nice aspect to share romantically

his Venus conjuncts my NN ~ Def. a romantic karmic link! You're being drawn forward in love.

my Adonis exactly conjuncts his Moon ~ His emotions are those of your ideal man. Maybe when he's around you he wears his heart on his sleeve? And/or perhaps your view of him makes him feel special, attractive and he wants to open up with you...you make him feel beautiful.

3) Adonis, Inannen:

synastry:
his Adonis quinkunx my Inannen
my Adonis squares his Inannen (DW)

I don't know this myth so it's hard for me to decipher the meaning, but I can say that
it must be significant to be such a close, hard aspect double whammy! And then with:

my Adonis exactly conjunct his Moon and Inannen conjunct IC, it seems like there is a desire at the root of things.

4) Eros, Cupido, Psyche:

his Cupido exactly conjuncts my ASC
his Cupido conjuncts my NN

So this tells me that he has the ability to arouse something in you which is somehow pulling you forward. His sensual/sexual energy draws you in and affects you in a very visceral way.

I think it's really intersting how in the composite, Psyche conjuncts the Sun and in the Davison,Eros conjuncts the Sun. It makes me wonder about the differences of the 2 charts and whether they both might work together somehow. Anyways, in both cases, as you, mentioned the Sun is the ego of the relationship and since in the Davison Psyche is conjuncting NN, I would suggest that
this relationship might be about balancing the male and female sexual/sensual energies. And that not only would there be a merging here when together as a couple, but that this merging would be the point!

5) Isis, Osiris:

These aspects seem to be about merging again, although this time in a more soulful manner. Isis and Osiris are both conjuncting the Sun in synastry and then in the composite Osiris is on the IC, the most soulful angle. This is alot of masculine energy again, but it's softer and seems more
bonding in this case. The divine wife and divine husband who are transformed by plumbing the depths.

6) Siva, Parvati, Kaali

Hmm. It's intersting how Kaalii seems to be squaring everything here. Perhaps the energy between you two is very strong, but as I mentioned in my post, perhaps a bit chaotic? Maybe kundalini/root energy is a bit blocked or challenged. However the friction exists, it seems like the opposition between Siva and Kaali and the Siva/Pluto trine would make it the good kind of friction. Once again with Siva conjunct NN, I notice that male energy again.

7) Pluto, Persephone, Proserpina

I think this is one of the stongest, if not the strongest pairing. You have a double whammy and then all of the aspcts to the IC and Karma. It seems indicative of a deep soul connection which is also extra transformational since it includes Pluto and IC (and of course, Valentine).

All in all, alot of male energy in these aspects, or is it just me??

posted February 03, 2009 06:27 PM         

So I checked some of our Destinn aspects, because what you said about Destin/Karma does make sense:

Destinn sextile Juno double whammy
His Destinn conjunct my North Node
My Destinn trine his Valentine (exact)
My Destinn sextile his Union (exact)
His Destinn oppose my Moon (exact)
His Destinn trine my Siva (exact)
His Destinn conjunct my Adonis (exact)
His Destinn oppose my Proserpina (exact)
His Destinn quincunx my Osiris
My Destinn oppose his Osiris (DW)
My Destinn oppose his Mercury and Jupiter
My Destinn conjunct his Uranus
My Destinn square his Vertex

Wowsers! Good call DD. Maybe it's worth adding Destinn to the list next to Karma since, at least in my case, it seems to back up the rest of the chart, including most of the mythological pairs...

posted February 04, 2009 10:51 AM           

thank you so much for your analysis!

But I need to digest it a bit before I can answer.

Regarding Destinn:
Yes, I have found that Destinn often makes very interesting aspects.

In the case of that singer who became the trigger for so many inner developments in me his Destinn conjuncts my Destinn, Eros and Vertex and opposes my Sun-Moon-mp! lol

In this comparison I posted this guy`s Destinn sextiles my Juno exactly (his Destinn conjuncts his Jupiter and NN. lol) and opposes my Saturn exactly.
Destinn conjuncts his Vertex and Atlantis.

My Dad`s Destinn conjuncts my Mum`s Mercury and makes a Grand trine with her Kaali and Uranus.

posted March 03, 2009 06:38 PM         

10) Thetis 17 and Peleus 11311

Peleus was told that Zeus would grant him, as his wife, an immortal. However, in order to marry her he would have to defeat her. Peleus was told to hide behind a bush near a cave where Thetis liked to rest. He was then to seize her and hold her no matter what happened until she yielded to him.

Thetis arrived, riding naked on the back of a dolphin, and entered the cave. When she was asleep Peleus grabbed hold of her.

posted March 04, 2009 02:54 AM           

I definitely agree with you. The mythological pairings that are present will give clues to the dynamic between two people.

Maybe the reason that Pluto-Persephone / Proserpina seems to happen fairly often is that this dynamic is one of deepest transformation, and soulmate-connections most of the times ARE very transformative.

I liked the story of Peleus and Thetis. Thanks.

Oh I just had been looking at a synastry and composite / Davision chart with someone, and was pretty stunned at HOW many pairings came up there, especially in the Egyptian context.