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darkdreamer
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posted February 06, 2009 09:58 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
IQ`s topic on Linda`s occult aspects reminded me of these again. Here`s my list:


Mesopotamia: 56000
Sumeria: 1970
Ur: 22260
Chaldaea: 313
Babel:5808
Babylon: 15417

Innanen: 3497
Ishtar: 7088
Adonis: 2101
Semiramis: 584 (babylonian queen; some say she is the same as Ishtar)

Gilgamesh: 1812

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posted February 06, 2009 10:13 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
my natal:

(1)
my DNA on 20°20 Libra conjunct BABEL on 21°42 conjunct BABYLON on 24.0 Libra

opposes CHIRON on 20°03 Aries
trines [SUMERIA on 21°38 Aquarius conjunct PSYCHE on 24.02 Aquarius]
squares EROS on 20°59 Cancer


(2)
MESOPOTAMIA on 26°38 Scorpio conjunct VALENTINE on 27°32 Scorpio

(3) UR on 16°13 Aquarius conjuncts MOON on 17°06 Aquarius

quinkunx SATURN on 16°57 Cancer
squares MY NAME on 16°58 Taurus
trines KARMA on 16°00 Gemini


(4)
CHALDAEA on 4°24 Capricorn conjuncts VENUS on 6°07 Capricorn

squares [IC on 4°58 Aries conjunct AURA on 4°57 Aries]

(5)
Innanen on 12°06 Gemini conjuncts SN on 10°10 Gemini

squares JUPITER on 11°12 PIsces


(6)
ISHTAR con 8°21 Pisces conjuncts JUPITER on 11°12 Pisces conjunct PHOLUS on 6°46 Pisces

squares [NEPTUNE on 9°56 Sagittarius conjunct TRUE NODE on 10°10 Sagittarius conjunct ASC on 7°01 Sagittarius]
quinkunx PLUTO on 9°05 Libra

(7)
SEMIRAMIS on 0°04 Taurus conjunct TELEPHUS on 0°30 Taurus

opposes [URANUS on 1°21 Scorpio conjunct UNION on 29°50 Libra]

trines [GILGAMESH on 0°43 Capricorn conjunct VESTA on 1°22 Capricorn]

sextiles MY FAMILY NAME on 2°08 Pisces
(Interestingly my mother and me have an exact SUMERIA-SUMERIA conjunction)

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oneruledbymars
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posted February 06, 2009 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok DD.
You know me. Full of questions.
Ok so Semir.
What is that? its conjunct my Sphinx and falls amongst my Egyptian asteroids, NN, DNA and Sirius Star aspects.

Also Gilgamesh is conjunct my Ascendent. Sextile My NN and Angel. Semi sextile my DNA, and Trine My Sphinx and Sirius Star System.

Babel is conjunct Jupiter. And trine my Mercury And square my Sun.

Ishtar is trine my NN and sextile my Asc, square my Asc

Meso is square Sun and quincunx MC,

Ur is conjunct my Venus, Square my Moon and Neptune,
Merlin and Reiki, Trine My Asc and Uranus, and Square my Karma.

Sumeria is Conjunct my name Asteroid


Do only Conjunctions count here?

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darkdreamer
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posted February 06, 2009 10:34 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Conjunctions first, then other aspects.
Orb should be tight (2°, only up to 3° for conjunction, if involved in a stellium or connected aspects, otherwise also 2° for a single conjunction).

Hmm, usually I would say: Stick to ONE mythology (in this case Babylonion), but as it is, the Babylonian was very mixed with the Egyptian, so think it could be significant. Well, in my case I have limited it mostly to Babylonian.


I also think conjunctions to DNA, MOON, ASC and TRUE NODE and maybe SATURN and also NAMEASTEROIDS might be most significantly pointing at a past life:

In my case:

DNA conjunct BABEL (and BABYLON)
MOON conjunct UR
SN conjunct INNANEN

To look for evidence of a past life I would look to conjunctions and oppositions; the other aspects might either emphasise the theme further or only point to an interest. But the conjunction / oppositions are the real pointers (beside the DRACO)


So in your case the strongest aspects (imo) would be:

SEMIRAMIS conjuncts NN and DNA
GILGAMESH conjunct ASCENDANT
SUMERIA conjunct NAMEASTEROID


BTW I mentioned my mum; actually her SUMERIA exactly conjuncts my SUMERIA, exactly trines the FAMILY NAME in her chart and also exactly trines my DNA and trines my BABEL.

Hmm, seems this is not the first time we met.

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oneruledbymars
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posted February 06, 2009 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That would make since.
Yeah its all tight orbs:

Semir is a 14 degrees Cancer:

Con Sphinx is 13 deg Cancer
Con Sirius Star System 14 Cancer
Sext NN 16 Virgo
Sext Angel 11 Virgo
Square Pluto 17 Libra
Square DNA 13 Libra
Oppose Anubis 14 Degrees Cap
Trine Osiris 12 Pisces
Disc 11 Leo
Sextile Atlantis 13 Taurus
Square Isis 10 Aries
Quinc Astrowiz 12 Sag

And of course Gilgamesh at 14 degrees Scorpio is doing similiar aspects.


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darkdreamer
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posted February 06, 2009 11:00 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote




I just think those places are so beautiful, those colours so vivid. I don`t know. I just love these pics.

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darkdreamer
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posted February 06, 2009 11:06 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Let me cut those a little bit:

Yeah its all tight orbs:
Semir is a 14 degrees Cancer:

Con Sphinx is deg Cancer
Con Sirius Star System 14 Cancer
- that is interesting, cause I read that one of the symbols of the Goddess Innanen or Ishtar was the STar of Sirius!
Where is it located btw?


"Sext NN 16 Virgo
Square DNA 13 Libra
Oppose Anubis 14 Degrees Cap
Trine Osiris 12 Pisces
Sextile Atlantis 13 Taurus
And of course Gilgamesh at 14 degrees Scorpio is doing similiar aspects."

BTW how does Babylon make you feel?

I have very distinct feelings about it. Had those even in school. I was practically growling at the mere mentioning of the name "Assyria" and thought it was the most hostile aggressive people ever. lol

And I remember I once "found" a carpet with the image of a city on it. A huge carpet, with a blue blackground (so deep blue, royal blue) and with that citie`s buildings, temples and columns in the most beautiful, pure white you can imagine.
I was actually sitting hours before that carpet, just looking at it. And keeping my mother from throwing the "flea-covered thing" away. lol

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posted February 06, 2009 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You wrote:
"Let me cut those a bit"
You are too fun. I always feel like you are reigning me in.
Like whoa buddy.
Your on to something but lets focus here.
lol
Your energy is good for me.
I am glad we met. XOXO.


Oh, they are awesome pictures. Where did you find them?!
They are beautiful!
They took my breathe away!

The carpet sounds gorgeous btw! I want one! lol

Oh and Ishtar is at 17 Cap, conjunct Anubis at 14 deg Cap. and opposing Semir and Sphinx and Sirius!
Oh boy, Innanen is in 0 Gemini Conjunct the Pleiades/Alcyone Star system.
How interesting. Semir is Conjunct Sirius. Innanen is Conjunct Alcyone.


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posted February 06, 2009 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well you know I was raised surrounded by those Bible stories as a Jehovahs Witness. I remember being fixated on the Hanging Gardens and the worship of Baal. And the building of the tower of Nimrod, was fascinating to me.
I was captivated by it all but I thought everyone was!

Yes! I remember those feelings about Assyria. But I thought it was because they were such a bad people. I was always happy when I read a bible story about them being conquered. lol

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posted February 06, 2009 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DD!
Look at this.
I just found it on Wikipedia after I wrote that about the Hanging Gardens I looked it up:

"The Hanging Gardens of Babylon, also known as the Hanging Gardens of Semiramis, near present-day Al Hillah in Iraq (formerly Babylon), is considered one of the original Seven Wonders of the World. They were built by Nebuchadnezzar II around 600 BC. He is reported to have constructed the gardens to please his wife, Amytis of Media, who longed for the trees and fragrant plants of her homeland Persia.[1] The gardens were destroyed by several earthquakes after the 2nd century BC.
The lush Hanging Gardens are extensively documented by Greek historians such as Strabo and Diodorus Siculus. Through the ages, the location may have been confused with gardens that existed at Nineveh, since tablets from there clearly show gardens. Writings on these tablets describe the possible use of something similar to an Archimedes' screw as a process of raising the water to the required height"

Archimedes in conjunct my descendent by one degree and squares my Eureka. Which is conjunct my IC by 2 degrees.

"The Archimedes' screw, Archimedean screw, or screwpump is a machine historically used for transferring water from a low-lying body of water into irrigation ditches. It was one of several inventions and discoveries traditionally attributed to Archimedes in the 3rd century BC."
"The "screw" does not necessarily need to turn inside the casing, but can be allowed to turn with it in one piece. A screw could be sealed with Pitch resin or some other adhesive to its casing, or, cast as a single piece in bronze, as some researchers have postulated as being the devices used to irrigate Nebuchadnezzar II's Hanging Gardens of Babylon. The Hanging Gardens were one of the 7 Wonders. Depictions of Greek and Roman water screws show the screws being powered by a human treading on the outer casing to turn the entire apparatus as one piece, which would require that the casing be rigidly attached to the screw."


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oneruledbymars
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posted February 06, 2009 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Holy **** .

Amytis is at 4 Degrees Virgo conjunct my Saturn at 7 degrees VIrgo in the 10th house. Which forms a loose Stellium with my Angel asteroid at 11 Virgo and my NN at 16 Virgo.
But get this DD it opposes my name Asteroid exactly at 4 degrees Pisces!

She was from Media and my name is the name of the Medo-Persian King Darius.

Eureka! (no pun intended)

LMAO!

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darkdreamer
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posted February 06, 2009 12:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your name asteroid is at 4 Pisces?

My family name is at 2 Pisces.


Wow, wow, I have to read it all through againg.

But I wanted to tell you I am sorry. I didn`t want to come across as arrogant or "preachy". But I guess I can`t get rid of the teacher inside me.

just thought that it makes the most sense to look at those really tight aspects, as only those are unique. But of course anyone can do it their way.

I actually have been stumbling across a Sumerian lexikon, and there was one word in it, that sounds almost like the two words I mistyped, and the translation would be: "O sacred place or there are another two which are similar, that mean to be completely full or to be complete and full

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Lara
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posted February 06, 2009 01:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ok i will come back to this in an hour and work out mine for you
I know i've had several big occult past lifes and my children are carrying on my family "occult" theme as all 3 of them are healers and old souls.

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darkdreamer
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posted February 06, 2009 01:23 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lara,

before you do the analysis:

how do you feel about Babylon?

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posted February 06, 2009 01:27 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i always loved the babylonian history too, and those pictures are exquisite DD. but oneruled has brought in another culture i was fixated on, persia! is your name really darius, ORBM?? how cool.

i'll have to look these up too. thanks dd. and keep on with your scholarly approach! though i can't match it i much appreciate it!!

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posted February 06, 2009 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Kat, yeah it is.
My mom said she was in the hospital and being the Holy Roller she is,(lol, I say that with a smile on my face) she said she didnt know what to name me, so she opened the bible and it opened to the book of Daniel and the first scripture she looked at was about King Darius talking to Daniel when he was in the lions pit. And so she named me Darius because she said that holy spirit was guiding her. As I tell you this I realize how she basically was using intuition......mmmmm


DD:
Thats interesting. And we have similiar connections in our charts too!
Maybe we played in the hanging gardens together.
I can totally see that, lol.

What words are you speaking of that you mistyped?

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posted February 06, 2009 01:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ORBM,

"Oh and Ishtar is at 17 Cap, conjunct Anubis at 14 deg Cap. and opposing Semir and Sphinx and Sirius!"
My Saturn is in 17 Cancer!


"Yes! I remember those feelings about Assyria. But I thought it was because they were such a bad people. I was always happy when I read a bible story about them being conquered"
Exactly what I thought! I always felt an almost personal, hard to understand animosity towards them. But interestingly I alwas liked Ninive. Don`t know why.

I haven`t been brought up in a very religious household, but I remember that I have been reading the bible quite often (on my own accord, noone ever forced me), and those stories, also the one about Nebukadnezar, I read again and again. And one of the stories that captured my imagination most beside the the hanging gardens and the tower, was the story about the prophet Jona and Ninive.

I also was fascinated by Solomo and the queen of Sheba. Actually once a girl, who used to tease me in real nasty ways (and I had let her for three years without even talking back), shouted at me: "You are not the queen of Sheba." And I -maybe 9 years old- told her "But once I was." and then slapped her hard across her face, which left her utterly shocked, and me, too, actually.
But from that moment on she didn`t try to cross me openly anymore.
The funny thing is that Sheba actually conjuncts my Sun on the GC!

You made me think of that, when you told me about your connection to Amytis.


Oh yes, another Persian King, very fascinating, too.
I have a pupil in my class with the name Dario, and I mistakenly called him Darius once. lol
I also have a girl in my class, who is from Iran, but strangely, when I read her name, I asked her if her parents were Persian, and she agreed.
I don`t know why I used the ancient name, but she seemed to identify with it more than with the modern name.

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posted February 06, 2009 01:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i think a lot of iranians identify with persia. after all that was their heyday, but also an identity which has stuck in spite of modern reallocations of territories and names...now, zoroaster always fascinated me. and wasn't scheherezade persian??

also the names hepzibah (hapsiba?), bathsheba, though honestly can't even remember their stories..more research! and possibly a different set of themes...

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posted February 06, 2009 02:03 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well can't find hepzibah yet but bathsheba was solomon's mother by david, so hebrew stuff really, fairly far removed from this thread...

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posted February 06, 2009 02:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The misspelled words, I must have edited them out again.

They were:

o kis s(e)ar

And Kis-ah means "Sacred place"

(in German you wouldn`t speak the e)

But in English the pronounciation of my misspelled words would be with a long - e-, which is the German - i-, so the second half could also be related to "see or si".

kis means: total, complete

si means: to fill up, to be full

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posted February 06, 2009 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi DD,

I think Babylon is amazing.. it's energy is just awesome and l feel pretty linked to it when i imagine it.

I think l like more to egypt but maybe it's really bablyon i'm feeling!

be back soon when i've worked it all out lol

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posted February 06, 2009 02:26 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interestingly a childhood friend once gave me the nickname "Kisa".
And this word exists in Sumerian, too; it means: "bundle of reed, abutment, platform".
So that could be another possible translation.

And for a time I was actually the only one who seemingly could give her "hold"; unfortunately it wasn`t enough.

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It`s strange, when I think of Babylon I feel LOVE, joy, serenity, completeness. I don`t know where this comes from, but I don`t feel that way about any other place (except for Middle England perhaps).

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posted February 06, 2009 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
my DNA 19'58 pisces
squares my BABYLON 19'57 sagittarius
my DNA squares my NAME 17'31 gemini
my DNA opposes PLUTO 20'29 virgo
my DNA sextile MARS 21'23 taurus
my DNA sextils my ISIS 20'57 taurus
my DNA semi sextile SATURN 18'01, NN 18'45, VENUS 21'35 aries
my DNA trine my PSYCHE 17'39 scorpio
my DNA trines my VALENTINE 22'04 cancer

my MESOPOTAMIA 25'01 capricorn
square my MOON 23'11 aries
square my AMOR 25'06 aries
quincunx my JUPITER 25'52 leo
trine my URANUS 25'38
semi-sextile my NEPTUNE 25'41 scorpio

my SUMERIA 7'20 libra
sextile my AC 6'32 leo
quincunx my SUN 6'15 taurus, MERCURY 8'00 taurus
semi sextile my JUNO/KARMA 6'41 scorpio
sextile my SIVA 9'21 sagittarius

my UR 14'24 leo
trine my OSIRIS 14'29 aries

my CHALDEA 12'34 pisces
semi sextile my OSIRIS 14'29 aries

my BABEL 27'24 gemini
sextile my KAALI 29'18 leo
square my URANUS 25'38
quincunx my NEPTUNE 25'41

my BABYLON 19'57 sagittarius
square my PLUTO 20'29 virgo
trine my SATURN 18'01, NN 18'45, VENUS 21'35 aries
quincunx my ISIS 20'57 taurus
opposes my NAME 17'31 gemini

My INNANEN 2'42 aquarius
sextile my CHIRON 1'23 aries
trine my EROS 4'06 libra

my ISHTAR 28'42 capricorn
quincunx my KAALI 29'18

my ADONIS 15'25 scorpio
conjunct my PSYCHE 17'39 scorpio
quincunx my OSIRIS 14'29 aries
quincunx my NAME 17'31 gemini

my SEMIRAMIS 15'43 cancer
trine my PSYCHE 17'39
square my OSIRIS 14'29
square my MC 15'01

my GILGAMESH 20'46 virgo
conjunct my PLUTO 20'29 virgo
sextile my VALENTINE 22'04 cancer
trine my UNION 22'19 taurus
quincunx my ISIS 20'57 taurus MARS 21'23 taurus
opposes my SATURN 18'01, NN 18'45, VENUS 21'35 aries

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posted February 06, 2009 04:02 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm, Lara,

I think the Gilgamesh connections are the strongest in your chart.

As it sits on your SN and Pluto and opposes your Saturn and Venus - there seems to be some Karma attached to that.
Have you ever felt any connection to the epos?

Also, Babylon opposes your name, even though the orb is a tad wide, but still seems relevant, espeically since it is interwoven into the Gilgamesh-connection.

So we have a cluster of
Babylon
Gilgamesh
Pluto
Saturn,
NN
Venus
your name
Isis

I would count Isis, too, as it seems to me she stretches over from one myth to the other.
Of cousre she belongs to the Egyptian; but the Romans also knew and participated in the Isis-cult in the 1st century.
And Isis also has been known to the Babylonian. Actually I found that there existed a word "ISIS" in their language. It means: to laugh, too weep.
It embraces the whole spectre of emotions I guess, from happiness to sadness.

Is there any asteroid (preferably of a place or person) conjunct or even opposite your DNA? IQ once said that this is one of the most clear hints to a past life, while the other aspects like trine or sextile rather imply a strong interest.

He also said that we could be looking at synastry. You know, if someone`s Sumeria is conjunct your Moon, it wouldn`t surprise me if you had spent a life with him or her there.

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