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Topic: Old Souls/New Souls
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BanxManx
Knowflake Posts: 204
From: Venus
Registered: Nov 2010
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posted December 12, 2010 02:40 AM
  
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Originally posted by blonderiverkat:
Thank you Glac...my sentiments exactly...I read this post, then went off to do some research. I for one am an earth sign(Libra), and have my NN in 15 deg Virgo, and I can assure you I am NOT a young soul! lol
I am not saying I am an old soul, because I don't know for positive nor does it really matter. I do know that I feel as if I am, and fit the description very easily. It was insinuated that I am not an old soul because my NN is in Virgo. How do 2 or 3 aspects determine whether one is an old soul or not? That is my question?
We all have a purpose rather young, old, very young souls...whatever...it's just better not to say anything at all, if you are not completely sure about something...Glac, I am pretty sure you are an old soul, everytime I read a post from you, I can see the wisdom... 
Excellent point Kat. We all have a purpose no matter how young or old our soul is. Some young souls have far greater purposes than other older souls. The purpose is not in the soul, the soul is in the purpose. It is quite possible that your soul is young Kat but what difference would it make? That just brings the excitement of knowing that you have so much to learn and experience. Who wants to be an old been there done that person anyway? IP: Logged |
raspberri
Knowflake Posts: 2034
From: venus
Registered: Jan 2010
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posted December 12, 2010 10:14 AM
What I say to that is they are not old souls.
I'm talking about last incarnation.IP: Logged |
NickiG
Moderator Posts: 2149
From: Pluto, next to Ami Ann
Registered: Jul 2010
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posted December 12, 2010 01:08 PM
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Originally posted by Crona:
I would say do a past life regression, if it interests you that much. *shrugs*Though be careful. Edit: This thread is old nvm..
i have thought about it and talked about it with lexx but she warned about how scary and dangerous it can be so i'll wait until i feel i am ready quote:
Yes your asc matters. Great point Nicki! For example, the oldest possible souls would be a double fire sign. A fire with air asc is older than a fire with water asc. If you are a water with air asc, you are almost an air sign, so you are older than you think. Does that make sense?
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blonderiverkat
Knowflake Posts: 167
From: Needles, California USA
Registered: Nov 2010
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posted December 12, 2010 02:56 PM
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Originally posted by raspberri:
An old soul is someone who has no afflictions in their birth chart. They must have a late degree NN. NO afflictions, maybe only one. But thats it.
So, for us out here learning from all of you knowlegeable ones...which is it raspberri? NO affictions? Or maybe one? lol ------------------
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vertiver
Knowflake Posts: 930
From: Firey Jupiter
Registered: May 2009
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posted December 12, 2010 05:54 PM
I've notice that those who are complete show boats get what they want and because people love them. Being outgoing is everything, but about kindness? Outgoing and kindness are two different things, yet people assume someone is nice if they are outgoing, not the case. In astrology Saturn in a Fire sign is considered not that great, especially in Aries. And not all fire signs do not appear as leaders. Take me for example, my chart is heavily fire, Leo Sun, Sag. ASC. Aries Mars, Saturn and Uranus in Sagittarius and people always label me shy, I'm sick of it, I'm not shy just introspective, and because Saturn is in my 1st, the weight of the world is always on my sholders. IP: Logged |
mochai
Knowflake Posts: 115
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Registered: Sep 2010
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posted December 12, 2010 08:02 PM
My draconic ascendant is in gemini with sun in Libra. If you're going by elements though, I have a lot of fire and earth. I don't have too many incarnations left.Also, if we just go by incarnations, some never need to incarnate so it can get confusing.. however for vernacular I can go with the old soul thing. It just leaves out a lot.. like souls that don't evolve. I've met some who have been stuck many millenia and the person was telling me that they were going to stop giving him bodies because he was wasting them (libra with libra ascendant, sag moon btw). His soul was old, but his energy was half of where it should have been for normal progression. On a side note, I'd do it by soul color which shows soul evolution. Purple you don't have to come back. Mine is dark blue (asked a psychic who I don't believe was informed on between life regressions where I got the information). Of course it could be wrong too, but the whole information was pretty profound and explanatory from people who had no clue as to what they were talking about reinforcing every other between life regression individual who said the same thing. IP: Logged |
Lioness
Knowflake Posts: 1012
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Registered: Mar 2010
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posted December 13, 2010 01:40 AM
I cant say if Im an old soul or not, but it would make sense if I was, considering I am an 8 plus, I seem to have a lot of karmic connections coming to me left and right.. All my planets are Fire except venus I have no hard saturn aspects (I have read it means bc I have passed my Saturn tests) but IDK... I have very few hard aspects.
I do have a Cardinal T Square of
Venus/Pluto/Jupiter (Jupiter in late sag though)
I think this brings in the karmic connections. The only other hard aspects I have is
mars sq neptune
Chiron opps Uranus (generational)
Well unless your want to consider Sun/moon/mercury conjuncts hard.. In leo in the 6th..
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BanxManx
Knowflake Posts: 204
From: Venus
Registered: Nov 2010
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posted December 13, 2010 04:51 AM
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Originally posted by mochai:
My draconic ascendant is in gemini with sun in Libra. If you're going by elements though, I have a lot of fire and earth. I don't have too many incarnations left.who said the same thing.
Why are people saying this? Actually I have only noticed two people say this. "I don't have that many incarnations left", or "this is my last incarnation". This statement is a little odd to me. There is no way you can know this. Time is infinite and you don't know when there will be a need to incarnate. Even The Great Ones incarnate in the flesh at certain periods if a planet is in dire need of attention. I mean, I would assume. You can never know how many incarnations you have left.
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mochai
Knowflake Posts: 115
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Registered: Sep 2010
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posted December 13, 2010 08:46 AM
Well incarnations that I have to have would be better to say. When your soul color is purple you don't need to incarnate. I could mess up severely and have difficulties. I haven't handled this life well.IP: Logged |
Glaucus
Knowflake Posts: 4765
From: Sacramento,California
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 13, 2010 11:28 AM
How does old soul equate to one being on its last incarnation?I don't believe that old soul means that is on its last incarnation. I think that it would depend on how well it learn its lessons. I believe that an old soul is merely a soul that has many incarnations which doesn't necessarily make them advanced. I don't believe that having no hard aspects(I hate the word, afflictions) doesn't mean that a person is on its last lifetime.
I would like to know where you get your information.
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No..I am not a Virgo.
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popcorn
Knowflake Posts: 1827
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Registered: Aug 2009
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posted December 13, 2010 11:54 AM
I think strong wisdom show if we are an old soul or not. I know I'm an very old soul. My exhusband was not so old as me, maybe halfway. Not much go so quick so why not looking at angles/wertex/moon.My AC conj Sun conj wisdom in leo
My Draconic karma conj my N sun/AC/wisdom My Draconic moon conj N saturn
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raspberri
Knowflake Posts: 2034
From: venus
Registered: Jan 2010
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posted December 13, 2010 01:09 PM
It's common sense actually Raymond. I have met someone who I think is in their last incarnation, their chart is unlike anything I have seen before. It shows no Karma, and his NN is at 28 degree's Pisces!Also, I'm talking about your last incarnation. To clear things up here. And, the Draconic chart is based on having a 0 Aries NN, if you have a tropical NN at the end of Pisces, it means that all your Draconic placements are the same as your natal placements. Draconic planets conjunct natal planets mean what we have finished learning for past lives and future lives... So you understand what I'm getting at? Having a late degree Pisces NN means the person isn't carrying forward any karma into the next life. IP: Logged |
raspberri
Knowflake Posts: 2034
From: venus
Registered: Jan 2010
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posted December 13, 2010 01:11 PM
Also, he is a CAPRICORN asc; a wise one.
The last of the cardinal signs, on the physical manifestation. IP: Logged |
mochai
Knowflake Posts: 115
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Registered: Sep 2010
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posted December 13, 2010 01:33 PM
I've heard having a direct north node is more of an old soul thing (should be evolved/advanced, but that's not what we say). I do hate all the disagreement on this subject area in astrology though. I've heard of souls getting to the soul color blue in only 6,000 years of development if memory serves me right. They took really hard lives which equals hard aspects I'm sure. Many other people had been incarnating for 53,000 years and were also at that color.IP: Logged |
raspberri
Knowflake Posts: 2034
From: venus
Registered: Jan 2010
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posted December 13, 2010 01:47 PM
All Im saying is that I know what a birth chart looks like when a person in is their last incarnation. It's very rare to find, but I'm sure most of the people here are 'old souls' (most) but it's definitely not your last incarnation of the birth chart doesn't show.
Also, with this person, I believe I was meant to meet him in his last incarnation. We have not known each other in past lives, but I believe something deeper is going on here. I'm still trying to figure it out. It starts by our ASCendants being square each other almost exact. That in itself is an indication of a twin soul or your other half. ...I'm still pondering our synastry.
My Moon conjunct Neptune is conjunct his ASC! It's other dimensional what we experience together. It's like all my Neptune thoughts are brought into reality by being with him. I always think about astrology in my head, but with him I say it out loud.. and he wants to know about it. IP: Logged |
mochai
Knowflake Posts: 115
From:
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted December 13, 2010 01:49 PM
Wow. Lucky IP: Logged |
raspberri
Knowflake Posts: 2034
From: venus
Registered: Jan 2010
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posted December 13, 2010 01:56 PM
He is special for sure. Sometimes I don't know what I have gotten myself into. I actually feel happy. IP: Logged |
amowls*
Knowflake Posts: 2010
From: richmond va
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 13, 2010 01:57 PM
I have a late Pisces NN that's direct OH BOY!!!!!!!!!!!I don't think it particularly matters, being an old/new soul. IP: Logged |
raspberri
Knowflake Posts: 2034
From: venus
Registered: Jan 2010
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posted December 13, 2010 01:58 PM
It means alot. Like I said about the Draconic chart...IP: Logged |
Glaucus
Knowflake Posts: 4765
From: Sacramento,California
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 13, 2010 02:27 PM
One of the problems that I have with astrological indicators for being an old soul or liberation from reincarnation cycle is that they are relative.
A lot of astrologers differ in their views in regards to what the astrological indicators are.There are different astrological systems too. The astrological indicators for old soul and/or liberation from reincarnation cycle aren't the same as the ones for Vedic Astrology which is an astrological system puts a lot of emphasis on karma.
Vedic Astrology uses the Sidereal Zodiac. If planets are last in the sign of the tropical zodiac, then they are around the middle of that sign in Sidereal Zodiac. Of course, they also the whole sign house system unless they are using the Krishnamurti system that uses Pladicus house system. all my planets in watersigns in tropical zodiac are in airsigns in sidereal zodiac my Sun,Mercury,Venus are in Scorpio in tropical and are in Libra in sidereal zodiac my Moon is in Pisces in sidereal and are in Aquarius in sidereal zodiac.
My Mars is in Aquarius in both zodiacs Altogether, I have 5 planets in air signs in sidereal zodiac.
In Vedic Astrology,
Ketu (South Lunar Node) is the karaka (significator) of moksha (liberation from samsara which is the reincarnation cycle), and 12th house is the house of moksha. Therefore, Ketu in 12th house is considered a strong placement for potential moksha.
Both Ketu and 12th have to do with loss and suffering. It's bad from the materialistic perspective.
I have Ketu in 12th, and 5th/8th house lord benefic Jupiter in 4th makes a 5th house aspect from it. 6th/7th house lord malefic Saturn in 10th makes a 3rd house aspect from it.
With my 8th house lord (Jupiter) and 6th house lord (Saturn) aspecting each other, I have a Viparita Raha Yoga which means success after pressures or someone else's losses. Therefore, the Viparita Raha Yoga aspects my Ketu in 12th.
My 12th house lord Moon is bright and is conjunct my 4th/9th house lord Mars in 7th.
With my Moon and Mars being in the same sign,house (Aquarius in 7th), I have a Chandra-Mangala Yoga which means worldly wise and materially successful. Mars is my yoga karaka because it rules both a kendra (angular house) and a trikona (house trine the 1st house). A yoga karaka is said to have especially powerful,benefic effects in the chart. Both my Moon and Mars are considered to be strong overall in Vedic Astrology. I have 2 Brahma Yogas which means happy,learned,and blessed with children
They're from Jupiter,Venus,Mercury in kendras (angle house) from 9th house lord (Mars),11th house lord (Mercury),1st house lord (Sun),10th house lord (Saturn) respectively I have Sankha Yoga which means wealth, good spouse and children, kind, pious, intelligent,and long-lived.
It's from my lagna (ascendant) lord (Sun) and 10th house lord (Venus) together in a moveable sign (Libra) and 9th house lord (Mars) being strong. My Moon and Jupiter are also in kendra (angular house) from each other, and that's known as Gaja Kesari yoga which means famous and virtuous. My Jupiter is 2nd house from Sun. A planet other than the moon that is 2nd from Sun is called Vesi Yoga, and that means balanced,truthful,and happy. In Vedic Astrology, all planets aspects 7th house from itself
in addition
Mars aspects 4th and 8th house from itself
Jupiter aspects 5th and 9th house from itself
Saturn aspects 3rd and 10th house form itself Kendra - 1st,4th,and 10th houses
Trikona - 5th and 9th houses
Dusthana - 6th,8th,and 12th houses They don't use aspects the way modern western astrologers do. Of course, they also don't use the outer planets. They use Rahu and Ketu as shadow planets that have powerful effects like planets.
They also have their own hypothetical points like Mandi and Gulika.
I have been told that I am a very old soul by various people in the metaphysical including a shaman who told me that I have an original contract. I have even been told that I had a few breaks in my reincarnation cycle on Earth and incarnated on other planets. These are things that I really don't care though. All I care about is my present lifetime and where I am going in it. I think about my past and future in this lifetime too.
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No..I am not a Virgo.
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raspberri
Knowflake Posts: 2034
From: venus
Registered: Jan 2010
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posted December 13, 2010 02:31 PM
I'm positive you are an old soul... I have SN conjunct the 12th house cusp. IP: Logged |
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