posted February 10, 2009 08:20 PM              

I thought this was a very interesting subject. People say a chart with many afflictions = old souls.. but I thought old souls would be much patient, compassionate, etc.. and I seem to come across many people with really unstable, negative, immature personalities who have very afflicted charts. I'm not trying to say ALL afflicted charts like this, but just from my personal experience.

posted February 10, 2009 08:24 PM            

Plus it really has to do with what you do with your chart. You're not chained to those aspects, you know. You outgrow them and can turn them around to your advantage with time...

posted December 11, 2010 11:01 PM            

Zodiac Signs


Soul Purpose Astrology is the use of the basic astrological principles to help us develop ourselves from a spiritual point of view. The following notes are an excerpt from the Zodiac chapter of my book 'Soul Purpose Astrology'.

We are all a mixture of the whole Zodiac, and need to appreciate and use all the Zodiac Signs. There follows a list of all the Zodiac Signs, and the pieces of your personality they reflect. The (bracketed) words are picture images that express some of the essence of the Sign. The underlined words are a quality of each Sign that helps us to enjoy life and be valuable people. The italic words suggest a focus that assists in developing the underlined quality. Under each Sign there are also listed some activities in which the abilities of the Sign would be useful, although most activities need the abilities of more than one Sign.

Aries
. . . a spark of life, tiny but hugely bright, brave, with no thought for the future, catching the eye for a moment, inspiring hope.



Aries: (spark from a bonfire) courageous for new beginnings, fresh, ready to start something new, full of energy, impatient to see results, ready to attack rather than be frustrated or stuck, can be aggressive. Useful when starting something new, and also when being self-motivated.
Learning to use the right amount of energy for each situation.




Taurus
. . . a field, secure delicious pasture, meadow flowers in the sun, breathing sweet and lazy warmth.



Taurus: (field) grounded, dependable, practical, earthy, helping people to be healthy by sharing earth energy, slow, quiet, concerned about security, can be stubborn and unchanging. Useful in gardening, cooking etc. and when others need steady support.
Learning to make peaceful contact with nature.




Gemini
. . . gusts of wind whirling flashes of news around and letting go to play with leaves, dancing with us and then gone.



Gemini: (gusts of wind) able to talk with anyone, finding out things and telling people, imagining or working it out, at least two of everything, sometimes charming - sometimes silent, changing between two personalities, two homes, two jobs, can be unreliable. Useful when needing information, putting people at ease, writing.
Learning to use both sides of your brain - balancing intuition and logic.




Cancer
. . . tide advancing slowly closer and closer, wets our feet saltily; ebbing away before coming closer again.



Cancer: (tides on the beach) emotionally sensitive, up and down moods, family- loving, half childish and half like a loving parent, caring or needing to be cared for, nurturing, can hold on to people too hard. Useful when home-making, empathising with a friend, giving quality time to little children.
Learning to be steady and supportive in emotional situations.




Leo
. . . warm in the chilly evening, roasting nuts to share; heat from inside attracts a cosy group, don't put it out!



Leo: (brazier) open hearted, loving, dramatic, encouraging, enjoy leading or entertaining other people, proud of yourself, sunny, can be too loud and pushy or easily hurt. Useful at parties, when others are feeling down, giving a talk or teaching.
Learning to stay loving and positive no matter what other people think.




Virgo
. . . crumbling earthy potential growth, clay, potential pots for use; earth's voice in tiny insect sounds, busy.



Virgo: (soil) making things better, helpful, aiming for perfection, efficient, wanting to be right, can be critical, self-critical or fussy. Useful when putting things in order, being careful making things, sorting out what is important.
Learning to accept things and people as they are, as a basis for improving life.




Libra
. . . a questioning breeze blows steadily, bridging with a warm breath the distance between me and you.



Libra: (breeze on a hill) diplomatic, relating pleasantly, balancing your interest in you with your interest in other people, peace-making, supporting the under-dog, listening to all sides in an argument, can be hesitant for fear of spoiling things. Useful in meetings, choosing colours, clothes or decor.
Learning to gather all the information necessary to realise the correct decision.




Scorpio
. . . deep as the mountains are high, dark still surface; where a summit stream flows in, the water clears and overflows to feed the valley.



Scorpio: (mountain lake) emotional understanding, feeling things very deeply, strong, knowing about the difficult side of life, wanting to know what is going on underneath the surface, intense, can be unkind and want revenge. Useful when you need to be determined, for understanding and helping deep hurt in others.
Learning to use painful times to grow and understand people better.




Sagittarius
. . . bursting brightly here and there from a darkening celebration fire, illuminating conversation.



Sagittarius: (flames) enthusiastic, optimistic - always seeing the positive possibilities, interested in everything, full of fun, enjoying discussion about life, travelling, teaching, exploring, can be rushing about or not explain what you mean clearly. Useful when enthusiasm is needed.
Learning to share your interests, so that other people can expand their thinking.




Capricorn
. . . firmly broad-based, complex mass accumulating; weathered ancient pathways labouring up to a satisfied rest, rewarded with a distant gaze.



Capricorn: (mountain) working to get what you want, doing your best, careful, results more important than feelings, strong and reliable, sometimes takes too much responsibility, can be too serious or bossy. Useful for organising other people, when working out how to do something practical.
Learning to reach what you decide you want, by using intention rather than heavy labour.




Aquarius
. . . pieces of air caught in permanent relationship, clear, precise, held in awareness together apart.



Aquarius: (bubbles in ice) having an over-view, seeing the best way to organise everybody, knowing the best way to do things, wanting equal opportunities for everyone, feeling free, observing people, can seem cold and unfriendly. Useful when others panic, when on your own.
Learning that everyone has something to give, and that although people are equal in value, they are not all the same.




Pisces
. . . submerged with no reference point, relationship is fluid - what you feel I feel, what you are is me.



Pisces: (. . . in the sea. . .) putting other people first, knowing that you are really a light spirit in an earthly body, very emotional, feeling everybody's feelings, wanting to help everybody feel better, sometimes feeling resentful, forgetting to ask for help. Useful when meditating, in counseling.
Learning to be in touch with spirit joy, so that it can be shared with everyone you meet.

posted December 11, 2010 11:33 PM            

Though be careful.

posted December 12, 2010 12:11 AM            

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Originally posted by NickiG:
what about your asc? like i'm a water sign with strong gem influence (gem asc, mercury singleton conjunct sun, moon in 3rd). does your asc affect whether your soul is new or old? when i read what elements are new or old, banx, i had some mixed feelings about being a somewhat new soul...like i just felt i should be a little older than just a little older than new (if that made any sense)

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posted December 12, 2010 01:26 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by raspberri:
An old soul is someone who has no afflictions in their birth chart. They must have a late degree NN. NO afflictions, maybe only one. But thats it.

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posted December 12, 2010 01:34 AM            

If a person has a t-square which is common in many successful people, then their souls are much younger than other a lot of others?

That's what is being implied.

also an old soul is not necessarily a spiritually evolved soul.

an old soul can be a soul that has lived for many lifetimes but has a lot of karmic lessons to sort out too. Some old souls can be incarnating so many times because they keep needing to learn certain lessons that they didn't choose to learn in previous lives

There just seems to be a lot of disagreement on what an old soul is and the indicators for it.

A person with no hard aspects can indicate a person that has very little difficulty in life, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they will be successful either.

Free will is the ultimate factor.

I am also curious why the element (earth,air,fire,water) has factor into being an old soul or not.

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted December 12, 2010 01:47 AM            

Moon opp Saturn
(Moon is Asc ruler, Saturn is Dsc ruler, so this one is a biggie)
Mars square Pluto

And on Top of that
He has a Water Sun and Asc with an Earth Moon.

posted December 12, 2010 01:51 AM            

I believe that she's an old soul too.

I know that there are quite a few people on here that claim to be old souls, and they have at least an opposition or square.

Pluto is a transneptunian object. It's one of many transneptunian objects. There are now 3 transneptunian objects that are its equal as dwarf planets.

If Pluto aspects are used in Astrology, then it would make sense to use aspects involving its fellow transneptunians including especially the dwarf planets.

Of course, this would greatly increase the likelihood of having more hard aspects in the chart.

The transneptunian objects are said to be the old remnants of the solar system.

The same could be argued with Chiron. It is just one of many centaurs in our solar system. There are over 60 of them, and over 10 of them have names. If Chiron aspects are used, then it would make sense to use aspects involving the other centaurs.

The centaurs are said to originate from the transneptunian region, and so they would be also old remnants of the solar system.

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted December 12, 2010 02:00 AM            

Perfect example imho

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted December 12, 2010 02:01 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Glaucus:

How come an old soul doesn't have any hard aspects?

If a person has a t-square which is common in many successful people, then their souls are much younger than other a lot of others?

That's what is being implied.

also an old soul is not necessarily a spiritually evolved soul.

an old soul can be a soul that has lived for many lifetimes but has a lot of karmic lessons to sort out too. Some old souls can be incarnating so many times because they keep needing to learn certain lessons that they didn't choose to learn in previous lives

There just seems to be a lot of disagreement on what an old soul is and the indicators for it.

A person with no hard aspects can indicate a person that has very little difficulty in life, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they will be successful either.

Free will is the ultimate factor.

I am also curious why the element (earth,air,fire,water) has factor into being an old soul or not.

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earth are simple people. They are the earthlings. Everything is in this world, even when they want to be out of it (man made religion).

Water are the people that open you up. The thinkers, they are beginning to move out of the earth cycle and get under the surface of things.

The air, now they have taken flight. They have what they needed in earth and water, now there is nowhere to go but up. Far out thinkers, brilliant people that reach the heavens and bring the knowledge back down to you.