posted February 19, 2009 02:23 PM            

I read that squine is a hybrid of square and trine. I guess it means that the energies fluctuate between friction and harmony.

Robert Blasche refers to the 15 degree aspect as the quindecile and the 165 degree aspect as the contraquindecile in his book,SABIAN ASPECT ORBS.

in my natal chart:

Moon squine Mercury - '10
the feeling-thinking connection fluctuate between friction and harmony

currently transiting Pluto is in transit to my Moon squine Mercury:
sextile my Moon - '23 - intensified feelings,opportunity to transform my emotional world
semisquare my Mercury - '33 - intensified thoughts, transformation of the mind can involve frustration

posted February 19, 2009 02:37 PM            

my Moon/Mercury midpoint is in 10'45 Capricorn

posted February 19, 2009 02:56 PM            

I would check transits to it.
If it's in a 15 degree series,24th harmonic aspect to one planet, then it will be in a 15 degree series,24th harmonic aspect to the other planet like in my case transiting Pluto is sextile my Moon and semisquare my Mercury.

posted February 19, 2009 03:24 PM            

"Squine (105 degrees): Charles Jayne studied this aspect, which I have not found a symbol for. He said it was like a hybrid between a square and a trine. You've got some of the laziness and ease that comes with a trine, but at the same time some of the problems of the square. You've got an incomplete tool that doesn't have quite a sharp enough edge but it isn't fully automatic, so you have to put some energy into it, and this is essential to do a good job. I call it the "Diamond in the rough aspect". 1 degree orb even with Sun or Moon."
http://www.zanestein.com/AstrologyFAQs.html

posted February 19, 2009 04:54 PM            

Do you have any info on the Squile Glaucus?

posted August 15, 2019 08:24 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I have moon squine Uranus conjunct Jupiter and Jupiter is my chart ruler.

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The 24th Harmonic = 3H (pleasure) x 8H (persisting) = pleasure in persisting.

posted August 19, 2019 04:12 PM            

Moon-Uranus
Jupiter-Neptune
Chiron-Ascendant

posted August 20, 2019 01:36 AM            

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I haven't bothered with calculating the exact orbs, but they should all be within a degree

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In harmonics, the allowable orb is always calculated by dividing the allowable conjunction orb by the denominator of the harmonic aspect. ... So, allowing a one degree orb for 24th harmonic aspects is valid only if the astrologer is using a conjunction orb of 24 degrees (24 divided by 24 = 1).

John Addey calculated that, with a conjunction orb of 12 degrees, there would be no overlapping orbs from the 1st to 30th harmonic aspect.* ... So, he recommended using a 12 degree conjunction orb for harmonics (until astrologers were using aspects above the 30th harmonic). ... And that would give an orb of 30 arc minutes for the 24th harmonic aspect (12 divided by 24 = 0.5).

However, He also recognised that few astrologers would be comfortable with using a conjunction orb of 12 degrees - so suggested using an actual conjunction orb of 8 degrees, and 12 divided by the harmonic aspect number for all other orbs

posted August 20, 2019 09:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:

In harmonics, the allowable orb is always calculated by dividing the allowable conjunction orb by the denominator of the harmonic aspect. ... So, allowing a one degree orb for 24th harmonic aspects is valid only if the astrologer is using a conjunction orb of 24 degrees (24 divided by 24 = 1).

John Addey calculated that, with a conjunction orb of 12 degrees, there would be no overlapping orbs from the 1st to 30th harmonic aspect.* ... So, he recommended using a 12 degree conjunction orb for harmonics (until astrologers were using aspects above the 30th harmonic). ... And that would give an orb of 30 arc minutes for the 24th harmonic aspect (12 divided by 24 = 0.5).

However, He also recognised that few astrologers would be comfortable with using a conjunction orb of 12 degrees - so suggested using an actual conjunction orb of 8 degrees, and 12 divided by the harmonic aspect number for all other orbs

[*The 30H = 12deg00mins and the 29H = 12deg25mins ... so an orb of only 12min30secs is actually needed to prevent any overlapping. ... However, 12 divided by 29 = 24mins50secs - so (imo) the formula should be [b]half of the conjunction orb divided by the harmonic aspect number. ... And that would give an orb of only 15 arc minutes for the 24th harmonic.] [/B]

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Thank you! That makes sense. I was pondering if 1 degree was maybe too much of an orb, since Jupiter is also biseptile Neptune. The bi-septile between them isn't exact either, but the allowable orb there is bigger.

So that means Jupiter-Neptune is out for me, and Chiron-Ascendant is borderline (24'). The orb for Moon-Uranus is just 10 minutes though, so that one stands the orb test.

posted August 20, 2019 11:15 AM            

In the meantime though, less-than-30-min-orb 24H planetary patterns (drawn on the natal chart) might reveal something of value about how/where/when/why and with whom/what the chart owner gets "pleasure from persisting".

posted August 21, 2019 01:54 AM            

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So that means Jupiter-Neptune is out for me, and Chiron-Ascendant is borderline (24'). The orb for Moon-Uranus is just 10 minutes though, so that one stands the orb test.

(As for the other 24th harmonic aspects (if my math is correct): Mercury-Jupiter 23', Mercury-Lilith 15', Jupiter-Ascendant 17',Lilith-Ascendant 9' ...so they all bear consideration at least. But the following are too large: Venus-Pluto 47', Jupiter-Pluto 1°10', Neptune-Chiron 53', Neptune-Lilith 38', Pluto-Lilith 58'... Probably forgetting some...)

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posted August 21, 2019 11:33 AM            

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Originally posted by zodiaccode:
I must say that I've never heard of the squine or the squile. Thanks for the info. Maybe you could start a thread on the squile as well. Thanks again.

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If the squine is like a hybrid between the square and the trine ... the squile may be like a hybrid between the sextile and the square.

So .. perhaps the only difference in interpretation lies is in the phase relationship of the two planets.

[For example ... Nadja's Mercury-Jupiter squile is in the crescent phase (for which the interpretation might be "pleasure in persisting with uncovering a new skill"). ... However, had it been a squine (and in the 1st quarter phase), the interpretation might be 'pleasure in persisting with practising a new skill].

posted August 21, 2019 03:36 PM            

Orbs in progressed aspects by planets should be so tight they're considered culminating -- within 0°05' to be active. Luminaries get more slack, but topocentric positions must be used especially to know Moon's actual position (and orb).

posted August 22, 2019 12:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
I work with the 105° aspect all the time as it occurs fairly often in progressions when I'm doing rectification work. I treat it as a mini-square as I do all the miscellaneous 15-degree series (15, 75, 106, 165). I don't try to specify meaning beyond that. They show up when there is push for change, indicating driving energies similar to the square.

Orbs in progressed aspects by planets should be so tight they're considered [b]culminating -- within 0°05' to be active. Luminaries get more slack, but topocentric positions must be used especially to know Moon's actual position (and orb).

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This is an interesting (and enlightening) comment for me, Kannon - given that many astrologers tend to dismiss minor aspects as "minor influences, that are not worth the effort involved in identifying/considering them".

Do a variety/wide range of minor aspects occur regularly in your rectification work, or do even-numbered harmonic aspects appear more often than odd-numbered aspects?*

[*I ask because (imo) the 2-series of harmonic aspects externalise what would otherwise be the solely internal manifestation of an odd-numbered harmonic aspect. And that externalisation is more likely to create an event which is visible to others. ... For example, the 5th harmonic might manifest as "creative ideas" - but these are only externalised (or seen/tested) by others if the 5H orb is close enough for it to be a 10H/20H/30H aspect.]