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Xena
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Is your birth time exact? If so, Neptune's move through your 6th house might be part of the problem.

With that 8th house Aries Sun, you probably have a big fireball of sexual/creative energy to express, fey and delicate though you might appear from a Virgo ascendent. (It also explains why you might fall prey to an attraction to a Scorpio.)

It's time to start saying NO to people's restrictions for you...you are thwarting all your energy and power by spending it being frustrated by people who either don't have your best interests at heart, or just don't understand you and the ways you need to grow and change. You're at an age where making big, deep transformations happens naturally. You have to let it. For an Aries, letting things unfold can be excrutiating, so you need to find a way to take action in the meantime.

IDEAs:
-Practice living in the present moment and letting new adventures, with new people, happen all the time
-Burn off excess physical energy with Aries-friendly activities (kickboxing, Ninjitsu)
-Put more fun risks in your life--skydiving, bungee jumping, learning to fly a helicopter, racing
-do some deep reading/thinking/exploration about sex, death, deep psychoanalysis, and transformation
-write some erotica in your journal to get in touch with your own current desires, which may be changing and are likely different from your marriage
-find people who inspire you and make you feel EXCITED and TURNED ON, and spend more time with them
-stop confiding in your family or turning to them for advice...you are on a different path, and their influence is thwarting, dispiriting, and squelching you
-Dress up as yourself, in small ways--get a haircut, or wear outfits, or find accessories, whatever, that reflect the INNER you--make sure when you look in the mirror, you look like yourself

Some of your mutable influences (Mars in Gem, Pisces stellium in the 6th) battle with your Aries need for ACTION.

TSaturn is conjunct your Ascendent, and that's a time when many outgrown relationships end. You have to listen to Saturn and let them end. And, let go of everything that's holding you back.

In March, TNeptune will trine your Uranus, so you may get to experience the upside of Neptune, enjoying the ability to see the world in a new, deeper way. Hopefully it will be a creative time.

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posted February 20, 2009 12:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for evander     Edit/Delete Message

from what I know, I would definitly blame Saturn retrograding near the AC.

I've been going through Saturn square Sun and saying im depressed is an understatement.

Plus you just went through through saturn moon opposition. And Saturn mars at one point before it started with Rx moving.

So it's understandable you're not feeling great.

Work is definitely the best cure for all this. Bury yourself in work and it will pay off.

That's what I'm trying anyway

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posted February 20, 2009 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Warrior Princess ;-))

The other ladies here have laid out the astrology nicely…..

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What can I do to make them stop patronizing me?
Xena, it’s time to stop believing that you can MAKE anyone else do ANYTHING. You cannot control the behavior of others, only your own. It’s time to adjust your filters (the way information comes in from outside) and your perceptions.
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My parents are forever saying "oh, you're ALWAYS so depressed" which isn't helping because I am NOT always depressed, and people are also always saying "well, I think you're a bit lonely" (hey? I have loads of people I stay in touch with!!) or "well, you're a woman on your own and you haven't got anyone, really, have you?" (SUCH AS? the commenter perhaps? Big deal!) and "women who don't have anyone never get anywhere" and that really p*sses me off
Lucia’s response to this was *fabulous*!!
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It's time to start saying NO to people's restrictions for you...you are thwarting all your energy and power by spending it being frustrated by people who either don't have your best interests at heart, or just don't understand you and the ways you need to grow and change.
Those making judgments and giving you the “benefit” of their opinions are NOT helping you. I’ve an idea how you feel, as I’m a Cardinal Sun (opp yours) with Pisces Moon. What we have to concentrate on is NOT absorbing the things other people say and taking them to heart. What right does your parents, or anyone else you’ve quoted, have to pass off their “advice” on how you should be or live?? -- Unless you are asking everyone around you, “What should I do?”
How did you react to the person who told you, “Women who don’t have anyone never get anywhere” ??
If some idiot said that to me, I’d probably laugh in their face!!
It took me a long time to learn to let other peoples’ ideas of How I Should Be slough off….. my mother gives me a lot of practice in doing that – the first thing out of her mouth when I go to visit her is, “That sweater looks terrible on you, it’s not your color” or “When are you going to do something about that hair?”
See, it doesn’t really matter what she thinks of my sweater or my hair or anything else about me – because *I* LIKE my sweater and my hair just the way they are!! It used to make me anxious when others would pass on their judgments/opinions/advice, but I know what I like, and I know what I need, so my response is just, “thanks for your insight” and ignore what they said.

I’ve always thought that Ariens would do best working for themselves, instead of for others – and your work life has been littered with unhappy jobs, yes?? So, throwing yourself into your own projects would seem the way to go. You’re a published author and a marvelous musician/singer!! Perhaps it’s time to start asking the Universe for a supporter, a personal rep, who can help you get where you want to go, instead of picking apart your work to make it conform to THEIR ideal…..

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Every single little thing seems to throw me. I sort of crave being in a relationship again, if I'm being honest, but I can't put up with what that entails (bickering etc.) I can't really put up with anything
I’m curious about what thing(s) you think being in a relationship would solve, or make easier?? I wonder if that’s your NN in the 4th making itself felt. I’ve been single for a long time, Xena – and I understand the yearning for a partner/companion. There are times I really want to lean on someone else, or let somebody else handle the responsibilities for awhile, and I sometimes envy those in committed partnerships who are able to do this. But, currently that’s not my path, and it’s not yours – we have to handle it on our own. And by doing that, we’re building our mental/emotional/spiritual muscles.

A note about relationships: methinks your party with Mr Aqua wasn’t exactly the finest example of how a relationship should be
Good relationships do not entail bickering. Good relationships possess adult communication, and talking out the issues with calmness and the ability to compromise on both sides.

Another item you might consider is the word “acceptance.” We have to learn that other people are the way they are, we can’t change them, and we need to accept that. With acceptance comes serenity, and the frustration goes away – I’ve been there – I know it’s not easy, but it’s a necessary step in one’s growth.

I actually liked Saturn crossing my Asc – but one thing that did was force me to narrow my scope. Only the people and activities that aid my personal growth are the ones remaining in my life, the rest kind of dropped by the wayside. I became more focused on what I needed for ME – in the way of health and many other facets of my life.

Hope you feel better soon, luv <3

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posted February 20, 2009 08:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
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So maybe Cardinal and Air signs are the way to go?
"Absolutely!!" saith the Libran

You've got your head screwed on right, girleen
I think it's the Pisces Moon essence that could be doing you in from time to time -- we can be incredibly *over*sensitive to other people's energies. The key is to know when (and how) to shut off the unconscious empathy-thing.....

Did you read HD's depression threads?? Very enlightening

Loves & Hugs,
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I once heard that depression is anger turned inward, not expressed. As soon as I saw your chart I noticed mars conjuct saturn, which is exactly that. Curiously enough this also contributes to wanting to control things. (I briefly saw you mention control).
Saturn is related to frustration, and in your chart tied to mars-the planet of action. So I would say you feel thwarted, which in turn causes inward irritation (or perhaps full blown anger) which basically is what depression is.

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Your case is a perfect example of the Law of Attraction, aggravated by that very very dangerous 6th House Pisces Moon. I am the World Number 1 in knowing about this dreaded placement, as this is my Draconic Moon.

You can help yourself if you do mind-work/visualization/and emotionally charged positive affirmations sincerely. You have no other choice actually, there has been an accumulation of other people's negativity without your conscious awareness. You have attracted losers and psychic vampires. You have not yet aurically cleansed your exs.
Your Art is carrying your vibes, hence it wont sell that well. Your parent's negativity is resonating in your DNA.
Your mentors/managers sense this psychic weakness and your true talent, hence they are ready to exploit your hardworking Aries nature. You may indulge in too much negative inner self dailogue where you imprint doubt and fear from past failures into current challenges. If you make a list of what you want, there will be many "I DONT WANT this that", which will anyway attract the negativies. The Mind attracts what it believes. To activate the positive, there are many steps [10 precisely + Law of Attraction] to be followed.

Write to me, let me send the notes. You have to work on your chakras too, there is resentment building up and this will cause health issues if you do not start Auric release work, and primarily you must cut the psychic vampire bonds using Higher Self meditation.

Astrologically, look to your TYCHE for luck NIKE for personal victory and POF for wealth. Their Sabians will further illuminate. Here is an Occult Secret for you: Change your name spelling to a 41 vibration, your life will transform.

BTW, Lucia and Zala have also gave tremendous advice, useful to everyone.

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Hey Xena, I think the fact that you have Pluto Rising makes people project themselves onto you.


"The Ascendant is also concerned very much with first impressions, rather than lasting ones too, so that has to be relevant. Worst case, first house Pluto has to be careful that they don’t interact too intensely because it can sometimes be a bit freaky for others to deal with and very often, Pluto rising can get projected onto by others if they’re not careful."

Taken from the Chirotic journal.

I had the experience of being pigeon-holed by people too. It then culminated into a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy which took me through a very horrible onset of IBS. If people are being negative to you, don't allow them or yourself to relate to each other any longer until you can deal with them again.

Also I read this book recently on New Moon Astrology. Wish for some things to happen in your life during the periods of New Moons. (not affirmations but wishes). I've taken to Wishing even when it isn't the new moon period.

It helps me because by saying something like "I wish to be free of co-dependent relationships" creates a desire that seem to manifest itself somehow. Wish for some things in your life then, I think it also works like IQ's Law of Attraction.

"I wish to be happy."
"I wish I can deal with the negativity of others."
"I wish people would be happy around me."

Etc etc. Sending you my best wishes

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posted March 02, 2009 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
I looked at potential indicators for depression,but I am doing it the Cosmobiological way because I prefer Cosmobiology when it comes to medical problems like depression. That means that I am only looking at conjunction,opposition,square,semisquare,and sesquqiadrate
I am also looking at midpoints
declinations too
no houses nor signs

the first thing that I noticed in your chart is that you have close conjunction of Mars and Saturn with 59 minutes of arc. That indicate can indicate possibility of suppressed anger that can manifest as depression

you have that conjunction conjunct your Mercury/Ascendant midpoint which is about communications as well it involving others,relationships

Saturn conjunct Mercury/Ascendant midpoint with only 13 minutes of arc, and that can indicate possibility of mental depression including with others. Positive manifestations can be structured,disciplined communication with others.

Mars conjunct Mercury/Ascendant midpoint indicate passionate communications with others. it can indicate the potential to argue with others. Positive manifestations are upfront,direct communications and debating.

Mars = Saturn = Mercury/Ascendant could indicate possibility of depression as well as frustration,suppressed anger,irritability that can be connected to communicating with others

direct midpoints (conjunction,opposition) are strong midpoint pictures and indicate major themes


You have Mercury sesquiquadrate Saturn/Uranus midpoint with 58 minutes of arc,and this can indicate nervous tension and depression ....Saturn/Uranus configurations can indicate nervous tension

You have Node semisquare Venus/Saturn with 18 minutes of arc, and that can indicate possible depression connected to issues with security,selfworth as well as difficult love connections

You have Node semisquare Moon/Saturn with 23 minutes of arc, and that can indicate possible depression connected to emotional,nurturing,mother issues.

both Moon and Venus are associated with female reproductive system.....there is possibility of hormonal issues that can be connected to depression


Your Moon-Venus square Neptune indicates a highly sensitive,empathetic person...so you have to make sure that you're around positive people. also with Moon and Venus associated with female reproductive system, there is possibility of hormonal issues.....with Neptune involved, they can be undiagnosed,misdiagnosed. Also because you have strong,hard Neptune influence, your highly sensitive to things put in your body, and there can be overreaction to medications,alcohol,and even possible food stuff. It's very possible that you can be highly affected by toxins in the environment because of your high sensitivity.

Your Neptune oppose Midheaven also indicates high sensitivity

Sun oppose Neptune/Ascendant midpoint with 15 minutes of arc indicates a highly sensitive body, sensitivity to others

Neptune conjunct Venus/Midheaven midpoint with 50 minutes of arc indicate a highly sensitive and love,relationships are strongly connected....idealistic in love,relationships....possible issues with female hormonal issues with Venus associated with female reproductive system

Uranus square Venus/Neptune with 10 minutes of arc
Uranus square Moon/Neptune with 15 minutes of arc
Uranus semisquare Neptune/Midheaven with 55 minutes of arc
the configurations indicate highly sensitive nature, idealistic in love that is unpredictable
there is possibility of emotional instability
with Venus and Moon associated with female reproductive system, emotional issues could be connected to hormonal issues

Midheaven sesquiquadrate Neptune/Ascendant with 25 minutes of arc
highly sensitive person,sensitive to others


You have Pluto oppose Sun/Moon midpoint with '32 minutes of arc
Pluto square Moon/Uranus with 44 minutes of arc
Pluto square Venus/Uranus with 49 minutes of arc
this indicates that the inner relationship inside yourself as well as your relationships,your emotions,love are intense and involve transformation......there is possibility of emotional instability
with Venus and Moon associated with female reproductive system, emotional issues could be connected to hormonal issues


Checking Declinations:

Saturn parallel Midheaven with 15 minutes of arc
indicates possibility of depression. Saturn-Midheaven aspects are even said to be soulsuffering....because Saturn aspecting the Midheaven which is considered the soul,the "I" in Cosmobiology.

Pluto parallel Saturn/Ascendant with 1 minute of arc
intense,serious nature that involves relationships with others
it can be a possible depression aspect

Moon contraparallel Uranus/Pluto with 3 minutes of arc
Moon parallel Uranus/Ascendant with 4 minutes of arc
this can indicate emotional nature that is intense,unpredictable...mainly emotional changes.....can indicate emotional instability that involves others
moon is also associated with female reproductive system, and so hormonal issues can be involved

I agree with transiting Saturn conjunct your Ascendant can also indicate depression. The orb is 1'12
Transiting Saturn is also contraparallel your Venus with 36 minutes of arc, and this could indicate possibility of depression connected to issues with security,self worth,and/or problems with relationships,lovelife. Venus is a planet of female reproductive system,and so depression can be connected to hormonal issues.

Transiting Pluto square your Pluto with 1'50 orb indicates a time of increased intensity, transformation.

I posted drug-free alternative treatments,therapies for Bipolar Disorder but many of these can be used for Depression

I actually believe you could benefit from massage therapy.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/002305.html

Raymond

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Hi Xena,
My email: tsaied@rediffmail.com

Alternate ids are in the "Readings" link in my signature.

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Xena
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It's really hard for me today ,and nothing anyone can say or do will help - I'm really at rock bottom and can't stop crying. I'm really cracking up.

I don't know why. I've tried really hard, tried my best and every avenue seems to require extra qualifications and I HAVE enough knowledge already, I DON'T SEE WHY I have to get another qualification. I don't know what to do and everything feels like a waste of time.

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Xena, sorry to hear you are feeling that way. I completely relate and feel that way often.

I've just been reading up on perimenopause because of some things i'm going through and can't help but wonder right now, if what you are going through could be hormone imbalance related?

I figured I'd throw it out there because you know what they say: no such thing as coincidence! Maybe it's something you want to consider or look into.

Maybe what you are going through has to do with something on a physiological level and not astrological or depression related? I don't know, but it's something to think about.

"Even today, women struggling with hormonal imbalance are frequently sent home with a prescription for antidepressants, rather than being offered real solutions for a very real condition." http://www.womentowomen.com/menopause/perimenopause.aspx?id=1&campaignno=perimenopause&adgroup=ag10info&keywords=what+is+peri+menopause


Whatever is going on, I hope you get through it and feel better soon.

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Xena l feel for you, mostly cos i'm feeling the same way at the moment.. life feels like a huge mountain to climb and i'm constantly slipping down to base camp.

Keep positive... it's the only way l keep my head above water so i'm hoping that it will work for you too. Just keep going and look ahead. Don't let your emotions spiral you downwards x

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posted March 27, 2009 09:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
Actually Medical Astrology is a branch of Astrology that is about looking at planetary configurations to check out out physiology,anatomy,health matters,and medical problems through astrology

It's about synchronicity and not cause and effect.

I prefer Cosmobiology over Regular Mainstream Astrology when it comes to Medical Astrology. It only focuses on hard aspects....no houses at all and doesn't focus on signs. It uses midpoints extensively.


certain planets are associated with certain minerals,vitamins too like Saturn is associated with Calcium. Mars is associated with Vitamin B12. Neptune is associated with Zinc.


Marcia Starck is my favorite medical astrologer.

I have her book, MEDICAL ASTROLOGY Healing For The 21st Century.
http://www.earthmedicineways.com/books.html


I am very interested in Medical Astrology, and I would like to combine Astrology with alternative healing modalities,herbal remedies,etc.

Raymond

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I have been there Xena.
Only the activation of the Law of Attraction in a positive way will help. Following certain books diligently will help.
Urgently however you need psychic cleansing and very powerful psychic protection because you are in a trap of reinforcing accumulated negativity through negative law of attraction.

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No sorry Iqhunk, I don't accept that about negative laws of attraction, that just makes me feel worse than I already do, and as if there was nothing that I could do about the situation. I mean, yeah, sometimes I do feel that way, but I don't need that feeling to be reinforced. I went to a spiritual healer and she didn't think I actually needed "healing" - although she said she would pray for me - I suppose she thought I was tough enough to cope.
Was at my mum's last week and the moment I got back to London I had a massive (phone)argument with her - we haven't spoken since. She and my aunt seem to be on the phone to each other constantly whingeing about their respective daughters - think that must be all they have to do in their old age! My father seems a bit more understanding of me as he had to struggle for years with his career/money whilst at the same time having to put up with her criticism and refusal to work (he is still working at nearly 70 and supporting her). The thing is that I am TRYING to get work/carve a career - have been trying since the year dot, and NOBODY wants to know. Still - I have a friend who is in a similar situation - he has worked faithfully in boring jobs for years and hasn't had support in his creative endeavours from even ONE parent, and has just been fired, so I really feel for him. I actually get the feeling that everybody who tries to "do the right thing" in this life gets dumped on. Better to be like Doctor Dolittle and say "I do all the wrong things. But in the end I get there."

26taurus, I also wonder about physiological effects - I'm concerned about the fact that whenever I eat something containing sugar, the next day I get uncontrollable crying attacks. I think I have a bit of a problem with blood sugar levels and find that when I leave sweet foods off, + eat more meat, less grains, NO cow's milk, I am instantly energized and don't get the depression, I am able to focus on projects much more and get more done. This is the antithesis of the diet I was brought up with, which was (sort of) vegetarian, fish but no meat, lots of grains, fruit - which is TOTALLY wrong for me.

Also I find that being in front of a computer screen makes me instantly depressed. As a last resort I have been trying to set up a project (design & making) whereby I don't have to sit in front of a computer screen (as from recent Aries New Moon). Result: (marginally) happier person. I am so glad I don't currently have Internet at home because it really depresses me. It's even depressing me now, believe it or not - it gives me that real needle-in-a-haystack feeling and as though I can never keep up and as though everybody else has something I don't. Everything is too fast-moving, there's too much pressure - like I said, I don't have internet at home and I don't watch TV either so today is the 1st time I've been aware of any news stories since last Thurs, for example!

(Does anyone else feel the same way?)

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Hey, Xena, have you ever got a personalised remedy made up for you by Bach? http://www.bachshop.co.uk/catalog/

I was feeling terrible a few weeks ago, really terrible. Different problems to yours but the same result. Just didn't see a way out of the mire.

Give the remedies a try. I'm sorry if this sounds a bit trite and medical but I have only 5 minutes left on this computer. I have to say, I don't know if it was placebo or what but I feel better. I think it gave me a shove up the bum that I needed, the rest was down to me, but it was almost immediate.

If you fancy trying it then go on to the site and fill out the questionnaire about how you're feeling, you can buy it online and it comes in a couple of days. You can check any number of boxes but it says stick to the 7 that seem most applicable.

Love to you.

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