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Topic: For Redstar and IQ - Our star origins and our Dna
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PeaceAngel
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posted March 16, 2009 05:42 AM
  
In the end of it, I guess that only each individual can know "why" something has crossed their path or come their way, etc, and with that it's really no-one elses business. But in sharing stories and in understanding them, we get to learn from each other how it all works.IP: Logged |
darkdreamer
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posted March 16, 2009 06:29 AM
PA,I completely agree with your post. 
Especially the need to be consistent resonates with me. IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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posted March 16, 2009 06:56 AM
Thanks DD.  You're the person I know who asks as many questions as me (even more, I think). Always asking, digging deeper, looking farther.  IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted March 16, 2009 07:54 AM
LEXX, DD, PATake the rapist who you scorn. Now advance 1 life.
The rapist is now a 12 ur old girl who is raped by her uncle. Do you still pity the rapist/girl?
Do you not see the lesson in that?
Do you not see the karma balance?
Or do you now say that she deserved it? I don't know how you can say that one can be abused and no lesfon is learnt LEXX and DD because the lesson is to change the inside to alter the life outside. Let mr ask you both. A girl is abused. What is it in her that attracts the abuser to her?
Karma
A vibe/energy
A sign on her forehead saying I really need to learn the lesson of loving myself cos I am so abusive towards myself by not having any self worth - please teach me' For everything that happens THERE IS A REASON. A mass murderer in a past life might save your life by being a heart surgeon in this one. Only the foolish get into others karma and energy fall outs by saying "poor them" without thinking about the previous life and what you are really rubbing up against by pampering, supporting the victim in a conscious way. Food for thought
LA - I hear ya!
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Lara
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posted March 16, 2009 08:03 AM
Sorry for spelling mistakes - I'm on my iPhone.May I just add that I won't ever buy into the victimization and poor me syndrome. People who talk about their pasts all the time are narsacistic and stuck in a place of low self worth. People who personalize things and take things too personally are the same. Either live in the now or get off the train and take the bus but don't ever moan about your lot because there are always 100 people with a worse off lot than you. B1tch, moan, insult, criticize, whinge, feel sorry for yourself and that is what you will become.
Change your state and mindset and see how far you can go. I don't wanna hear it though and I absolutely wont subscribe to it.
I will fight for the injustice but I won't pamper your victim karma. IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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posted March 16, 2009 08:20 AM
LaraI agree with you there (even though, you worded that really bluntly - even for my Aries Merc!)  I can see that from having observed my parents in particular, and the way they have lived their lives and perceive things, and from having grown up around that dynamic. There's always this feeling that people who choose to dwell in their **** always remind me of my parents, and I feel intolerant there. Not a lack of compassion, but just, when people choose to not choose any differently, there's only so much of the same whining you can tolerate. I always have the attitude that if you are not happy about something, do something about it. I think we all have pains and wounds of various kinds. And I do think people get stuck in them. I've been there. I can't imagine anyone who hasn't. Personally, I can't stand that feeling, so I do the work to get out of there as quickly as possible. IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted March 16, 2009 08:32 AM
I apologize PA for my bluntness. I am just brutally honest and can't be any other way. I don't see the point of wrapping a pile of dog poo in Asprey's wrapping paper lololol
PLUS, if l am Aqua AC then all my aries stellium is in my 3rd which explains a lot hahaha  Yup i agree. I spent my early adulthood feeling sorry for myself and what i endured in my childhood. Then one day i thought **** this... why am l keeping or holding myself in this mindset when it doesn't serve me at all and only brings me more of the same sh1t? I don't want to grow old and have dis-ease, l don't want my mind and soul to be as polluted as this planet. So l went and did years and years of reading, meditating, healing, contemplting, therapy, alternative therapies. I educated myself thoroughly and now l don't worry about what happened to me cos it's not happening NOW!!! It's only a memory and memory fades and distorts over time. Now i know l would never ttract rape, attacks etc but if l did l would look at why instead of trying to put myself back in that victim spiral by feeling sorry for myself. My karma in this life has been pretty harsh but l see it as a process, l see that i need it to evolve and so l embrace it and make something positive out of it. Only way to be... keep walking and don't look behind you.
It's all just ash and nothingness. Everything you need is right in front of your eyes, if we only just look. Peace. IP: Logged |
LEXX
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posted March 16, 2009 08:39 AM
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LEXX, DD, PATake the rapist who you scorn. Now advance 1 life.
The rapist is now a 12 ur old girl who is raped by her uncle. Do you still pity the rapist/girl?
Do you not see the lesson in that?
Do you not see the karma balance?
Or do you now say that she deserved it?
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PeaceAngel
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posted March 16, 2009 08:39 AM
LaraI have Aries Sun, Merc, Venus & AC - you don't need to apologise to me about being blunt! I'm trying to learn tact in this lifetime. Some days are better than others. You know, I have Aqua Moon too. That would be interesting if you do have Aqua AC, because that would give us a lot of Aries/Aqua dynamics, plus my Mars is in Taurus, your Sun sign. And for everything you've said there - I hear ya! IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted March 16, 2009 08:47 AM
May l ask PA what degree your Aqua moon is in? I'm trying to work out my degree. ThanksYes, l think we have to get stuck to get un-stuck! If it doesn't hurt we are not going to want to see, hear, feel it nor do anything about it! We must always remember that PAIN and HURT is only a MEMORY though. We have already experienced it and now we only remember it.
FEAR is such a killer. PS my mars is also in taurus, along with my mercury/sun conjunct (in the 3rd!) IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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posted March 16, 2009 08:48 AM
LaraMoon is 12.59 Aqua. Is IQ working with you on your AC? Do you have an idea about your degree? IP: Logged |
darkdreamer
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posted March 16, 2009 08:52 AM
I agree partially, especially about that "whining" some people do.But I also disagree - I think (but maybe I just didn`t understand what you were saying)-, and I have to say: Even though there is Karma, the present incarnation is always the most important one (in the sense that I can influence it), and yes, I definitely would pity the girl that is being abused NOW. If the concept of Karma is used to justify rape, sorry, then I`m out of here.
I`m sure you diddn`t mean it that way though. 
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LEXX
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posted March 16, 2009 08:54 AM
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LEXX, DD, PATake the rapist who you scorn. Now advance 1 life.
The rapist is now a 12 ur old girl who is raped by her uncle. Do you still pity the rapist/girl?
Do you not see the lesson in that?
Do you not see the karma balance?
Or do you now say that she deserved it?
Your reasoning implies that I deserved being raped beginning at age 4,
because by your reasoning "I must have raped someone in a previous incarnation".
I do NOT buy that.
And as darkdreamer
(thank you DD!)
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It`s not an easy subject.
I know how you can think of it in "karmic" terms. But I think this *could* be a dangerous perspective,
if not thought through very well. Cause it could be easily mis-used as an excuse for the criminals.
And no matter how you twist and turn, it remains a horrible crime.
Then you said Lara:
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I don't know how you can say that one can be abused and no lesfon is learnt LEXX
and DD because the lesson is to change the inside to alter the life outside.
And what pray tell does a toddler or infant or innocent child need to change inside and alter outside?
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Let mr ask you both. A girl is abused. What is it in her that attracts the abuser to her?
Chance and opportunity which a rapist looks for and just being a "normal" kid, easy prey.
NOT this!
(unless she is dressed as a $lut, which too many 12 year olds do these days....
and their stupid parents let them.....and then boo hoo when their child gets raped)
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Karma
A vibe/energy
A sign on her forehead saying I really need to learn the lesson of loving myself cos
I am so abusive towards myself by not having any self worth - please teach me'
Maybe a 12 year old, but in no freaking way an infant or young child.
And maybe not even a 12 year old, as I told you at this thread;
Is it ever okay to kill?
About the Fife boy, 12 years old who was raped, then sodomized via sharpened broomstick, bug sprayed in face and mouth, it lit on fire, and suffered many hours before dying whilst blinded, burned both internally and externally, anus ripped, bowels punctured from the stake sodomizing, penis and scrotum burned and mutilated.....
yeah, sure, the kid asked for it.
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For everything that happens THERE IS A REASON.
Yeah,
like maybe there are just simply bad people.
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A mass murderer in a past life might save your life by being a heart surgeon in this one.
Only the foolish get into others karma and energy fall outs by saying "poor them"
without thinking about the previous life and what you are really rubbing up against by pampering,
supporting the victim in a conscious way.
Yeah, sometimes it could be Karma,
but too often I feel it is just sh!t happens.
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Food for thought
Feels more like food poisoning.
More food for thought:
~Getting off the Karmic "Payback Wheel"~By your way of thinking everyone just do what you want for good or bad, to anyone, because it is predestined, asked for, yadda yadda yadda.....and it is just fine because no one is an innocent victim.....everything good or bad has a valid reason...reason...so carry on, rape, murder, whatever because
there are no victims and you have a good reason.!
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PeaceAngel
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posted March 16, 2009 08:59 AM
DDI don't think it was being used to justify it, but maybe to explain it. I don't really believe in karma, in the terms that most people talk about. I tend towards thinking that we live in a loving world with a loving "God", if you like, and in that, there is no judgement - but just learning - and choices, but that there is also a law of cause and effect and laws of attraction. So that if you judge someone then you create a lesson for yourself, where you will experience something that will bring about a similar result for you. So if you're driving along and the person in front of you makes an error and you become irrate and call them an idiot, etc, then sometime soon, you will make some mistake too and find yourself in the same position as that person. I guess looking at it like that - the difference is the concept of negativity or positive energy that is placed behind the concept of karma. What I'm suggesting is similar but without the negative/judgement, but just a compassionate non-judgemental understanding that we're not perfect, nor meant to be, and that in accepting our own flaws, we allow for those in others, which breeds compassion. I think judgement is the opposite of compassion. That said, I have not mastered that one yet.  And also, I think discernment and ability to observe and state things as you see them is different to judgement or criticism. It's hard to define sometimes, but I think the intention is what determines that. IP: Logged |
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posted March 16, 2009 09:01 AM
Peace aldready  This is a very delicate topic and we are all entitled to our own theories - i say as a woman who got raped in 3 past lives and had to work on releasing the damage this time. Did i deserve it ? No, but i sure did pave the way for it. I had my children , babies killed life after life , i have either lost them to death or died leaving them motherless - and i wanted to live for them not for fear or death. Did i deserve it ? Yes, because i had caused thousands of mothers to loose their children in a misguided life - so i could have a blissful life with my love. And i lost him everytime i found him. I abused my sexual energy for my own gains - and ended up with paedophiles in 3 lives - trapped with no way out. Is Lara right ? In a way. Is Lexx right ? In her way. Let be. IP: Logged |
LEXX
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posted March 16, 2009 09:04 AM
darkdreamer quote:
I agree partially, especially about that "whining" some people do.
On that note I do agree in certain cases.
Like when this teenager killed a cop in this town, or a 40 year old man raped a 2 year old and a 4 year old.....
Whine whine whine mentality was used in their court trials, oh poor poor them, they came from abused homes, couldn't help themselves....awwwww....
bull$hit! 
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But I also disagree - I think (but maybe I just didn`t understand what you were saying)-, and I have to say: Even though there is Karma, the present incarnation is always the most important one (in the sense that I can influence it), and yes, I definitely would pity the girl that is being abused NOW.
I agree with you! 
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If the concept of Karma is used to justify rape, sorry, then I`m out of here.
I`m sure you diddn`t mean it that way though.
Well...it sure appears that is EXACTLY what was meant, and that is what I take issue with. If it does not mean that...then I'd like to hear an explanation.
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PeaceAngel
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posted March 16, 2009 09:09 AM
I disagree that the intention was to justify those types of actions. I think as humans we are geared to wanting to understand and I think it's a theory, an explanation. A (spiritual or philosophical) way to deal with the things that humans do. And I think Venus has offered very interesting and deeply personal insights. I agree with Lara in that I too believe that there is a reason for everything. In wanting to understand that, there are multitudes of theories, beliefs, possibilities. How many truths are there? I don't know. But this is how we learn. By discussing and sharing peacefully. IP: Logged |
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posted March 16, 2009 09:13 AM
I think it's hard to have this conversation when some people are still "entrenched in the past with their experiences".I hear you VenusdeIndia - you and l share that past life rape like it was in this one. PA - I hate to ask him because he must be so busy but he is so good with sabian symbols and he is extremely kind and giving of his time so hopefully we will come to one degree or another! DD - no way am l justifying it and btw no way am l saying that if you are a rapist in one life you will rape in this one. Why do you think l gave the example of a heart surgeon! All l am saying in essence if you read it OBJECTIVELY and without EMOTION plus within it's context IS that each individual is responsible for their own actions and karma whether consciously or SUBconsciously and l do believe that victims of crime give off either a conscious or subconscious vibe/energy/whatever that attracts the attacker. NOW, l am not saying the victim is a bad person - simply that they allure the attacker to them.
If you walk down the street you can actually sometimes see a person who you will know will be a victim and sometimes one can see it in friends too.
Very hard to explain. IP: Logged |
LEXX
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posted March 16, 2009 09:16 AM
Later folks.
Carry on.
PS.Edit to add:
I do understand what Lara has proposed....but unlike her I do NOT state it as absolute fact of the matters....
I gave a theoritical defense of Hitler's actions and other such criminal minds/actions.
If Lara would read it and links therein, it would be clear I do understand. ~Getting off the Karmic "Payback Wheel"~
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PeaceAngel
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posted March 16, 2009 09:16 AM
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I hate to ask him because he must be so busy but he is so good with sabian symbols and he is extremely kind and giving of his time so hopefully we will come to one degree or another!
Yeah, I get that. He's very generous with his time. I've asked IQ questions and received far more detailed replies than I ever expected. I hope that you work it out. I feel like it feels close for you this time. IP: Logged |
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posted March 16, 2009 09:27 AM
LEXX, this is not personal in any way and i'm not directing my posts at YOU simply discussing which l love to do.
It's brain exercise for me in a perpetually adult-less world of mine.However, l do sense that you have personal issues with the subject matter and therefore it makes anything that l or anyone else say rather like a timed bomb! Hitler l think is not just about karma. Hitler had a magnetism that is more linked to world karma than individual.
If we talk about the Holocaust, there in itself is a perfect example to case study. The scenario of the Jewish community being murdered in the 40's and now murdering in the 00's is quite remarkable. Karma has done a 360 and having moaned and groaned at their lot for over half a century they are now seemingly cold-heartedly assuming the role of hitler in Gaza.
How do you explain that? IP: Logged |
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posted March 16, 2009 09:30 AM
Thanks PA. Yes, l feel i'm close too!!! Like when you are starving hungry and there's still another 5 minutes to wait on the oven beeping hahaha I am looking at elbert Wade's decans for Aqua now and l can relate to 10-20 and 20-30 degrees.. oh boy! lol IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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posted March 16, 2009 09:37 AM
LOL Lara - to get through so much astro study and to be down to two decans. 5 minutes huh? Oh, man, a lifetime! You could look at your asteroids for clues there. Use names - of your children, former lovers, the asteroid Child for aspects. I find that the way names fit into my chart is staggering.And I hear you about the adult-less thing. I've just started studies and can see that after being home raising chlidren for the last 10 years that my style of communication is more akin to Sesame Street rather than adult discussions. I feel like I'm the 5yo in the group all the time. At least I inject life into the group. Maybe too much. IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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posted March 16, 2009 09:37 AM
LaraThanks for the msn invite. IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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posted March 16, 2009 09:39 AM
LaraI really can't shake the thought that asteroid Angel is vital to helping you with your AC. IP: Logged | |
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